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Israeli courts convict hundreds of Palestinian children

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RiZ III

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...eds-palestinian-children-150405064416744.html

Beit Anan, occupied West Bank - When Israeli soldiers detained Hussam al-Sheikh's 15-year-old son Khaled on Christmas Day last year, he expected to pay a fine and bring the boy home within a few hours.

"A few weeks earlier, some young boys from our village were arrested for allegedly throwing stones," Sheikh told Al Jazeera. "They all came home the next morning after their parents paid a small fine."

Accused of throwing stones, Khaled was arrested near the Israeli separation wall in Beit Anan, a village near Sheikh in the occupied West Bank. Yet, upon arriving at the police station at the Binyamina settlement where the boy was being held, Hussam learned that his son would not be allowed to go home with him anytime soon.

"When we got to the police station, he had been beaten up and there was blood on his face," Sheikh told Al Jazeera. "After five court hearings, he was sentenced to four months in prison. How does a 50-year-old man sit on a bench and decide the fate of little children?"

The Israeli military court that sentenced Khaled also fined his parents 2,000 Israeli shekels ($510) - a costly amount on top of the lawyer and court fees the Sheikh family already had to pay.

Palestinians tried in Israeli military courts are convicted at a rate of more than 99 percent, according to a 2011 military document leaked to the Israeli daily Haaretz.

"Why is this necessary?" Sheikh asked. "Can you seriously tell me that these kids throwing stones at a concrete wall pose a threat to their state? Or to their soldiers in armoured jeeps?"

Israeli, Palestinian and international rights groups have decried Israel's practise of arresting Palestinian children. According to a recent report by Military Court Watch, a group that monitors Israel's detention of children, 182 of the more than 5,600 Palestinians detained in Israeli jails were children as of the end of February.

The Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) announced in a December report that in 2014, Israel detained 1,266 Palestinian children below the age of 15 in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem. Since 2000, the report added, more than 10,000 Palestinian children have been detained by Israeli forces.

Israel recently prompted widespread criticism for its 45-day imprisonment of Malak al-Khatib, a 14-year-old girl who returned home in the central West Bank village of Beitin on February 13. Like Khaled al-Sheikh, she had been accused of throwing stones, and was prosecuted in an Israeli military court.

Brad Parker, an attorney and international advocacy officer for Defence for Children International - Palestine Section (DCI-Palestine), said that Khatib and Sheikh were among the more than 700 Palestinian children sentenced in Israeli military courts every year.

"Ill treatment of Palestinian children in the Israeli military detention system is widespread and systematic, as nearly three out of four kids experience some form of physical violence during arrest, transfer or interrogation," Parker told Al Jazeera, citing DCI-Palestine's statistics.

In most cases, Parker added, parents are not notified of their children's arrest for 24 to 48 hours, and the children do not see their parents or a lawyer until they stand before a judge in an Israeli military court. "Despite the fact that international law and international juvenile justice standards include a prohibition on compelling a person from testifying against themselves or confessing guilt, this is commonplace in the Israeli military detention system," he continued.

Yet, in more than one-quarter of juvenile arrests of Palestinians in 2014, children were coerced into signing confessions in Hebrew, despite the fact that most do not speak the language, a recent DCI-Palestine report noted.


An Israeli military spokesperson did not reply to Al Jazeera's multiple requests for comment on these allegations.

According to a study published last month by UNICEF, the United Nations programme focusing on children, Palestinian children are regularly subjected to verbal abuse and intimidation, strip-searched and not "adequately notified of their legal rights, in particular the right to counsel and the right to remain silent".

In November 2014, ministers in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government threw their weight behind a bill that could impose sentences of up to 20 years in prison for Palestinians in East Jerusalem who throw rocks at Israeli vehicles. "Israel is acting firmly against terrorists, rock-throwers, against firebomb throwers and against those who use fireworks," Netanyahu said at the time.

"A terrorist is a terrorist," then-Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, considered a centre-left politician, declared. "It makes no difference what weapon he uses."

Though the bill has yet to pass in the Knesset, Israel's parliament, human rights groups say it will disproportionately affect Palestinian children, who are involved in the majority of stone-throwing cases.

"We know that most children are arrested for participation in demonstrations or throwing stones, so this new legislation can be seen as directly targeting children and youth," said Randa Kamal, an advocacy officer for Addameer, a Ramallah-based group that monitors Israel's arrests of Palestinians.

Meanwhile, back in their West Bank home, the Sheikh family is worried for Khaled's health. He suffers from anaemia, a blood condition that requires him to take medicine three times a day - but Sheikh said he has not been able to speak to his son since his arrest.

"He looked very ill when we saw him in court," he recalled. "We have no way of knowing whether he has been given the medicine and treatment that he needs. We are very worried about his health."

Perhaps if they don't want stones thrown at their walls and soldiers, they should end their illegal occupation. Israeli soldiers routinely take over Palestinian houses for days or weeks and shove the occupants into a single room during that whole stay. Meanwhile a kid who throws a rock disappears as he/she is essentially kidnapped by occupying soldiers. The parents won't have any idea where their child is until 24-48 hours later when Israeli soldiers finally decide to inform them that they picked up the kid and moved him/her to prison. Can't believe our tax dollars go to these criminals.
 

dabig2

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If throwing rocks at walls and vehicles is terrorism, then what the hell do you call the last 60+ years of Israel's actions against Palestine and her people?

rhetorical question obviously
 

Xe4

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If throwing rocks at walls and vehicles is terrorism, then what the hell do you call the last 60+ years of Israel's actions against Palestine and her people?

rhetorical question obviously

Self defense, duh!
/s
 
20 years for throwing a rock at an armored vehicle. Seems reasonable.

We really, really need Palestinian statehood sometime in the next few years.
 

Jonnax

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I think looking at Israel through the western lens and holding them to that standard doesn't work.
They are like Russia. They do whatever they want because they can.
 

Kettch

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"A terrorist is a terrorist," then-Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, considered a centre-left politician, declared. "It makes no difference what weapon he uses."

Wonder when you'll begin trying your own government and military then.
 

Kinyou

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"Ill treatment of Palestinian children in the Israeli military detention system is widespread and systematic, as nearly three out of four kids experience some form of physical violence during arrest, transfer or interrogation," Parker told Al Jazeera, citing DCI-Palestine's statistics.
I have a feeling that these kids wont be fans of Israel when they're adults
 

Toxi

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Yet, in more than one-quarter of juvenile arrests of Palestinians in 2014, children were coerced into signing confessions in Hebrew, despite the fact that most do not speak the language, a recent DCI-Palestine report noted.
These people are manipulating children into signing confessions in a language they do not understand.

How the hell do they not feel great shame every time they look in a mirror?
 
Yeah, Israel is so much better than their neighbors. The blanket support for nation that more or less advocates for ethnic cleansing as their final solution to the Palestinian problem is just bizarre.
 

Beartruck

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Geez, it's almost like they forgot their entire country was explicitly founded for the purpose of escaping persecution.
 

Alavard

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Why am I not fucking surprised, remember people, majority of Israel people wants this status-quo to keep continuing.

I don't think that's surprising. I think a sustained armed conflict over a great amount of time will usually lead to dehumanizing your enemy to a greater and greater extent. This is not an excuse or anything, I just mean that they're not likely to start swinging the other way and treating Palestinians or Israeli Arabs better on their own.
 
These people are manipulating children into signing confessions in a language they do not understand.

How the hell do they not feel great shame every time they look in a mirror?
Arabs/Muslims are inferior in their eyes. They don't give a shit.
 

Paxem

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I think looking at Israel through the western lens and holding them to that standard doesn't work.
They are like Russia. They do whatever they want because they can.

Russia does whatever it wants to it's OWN CITIZEN. Israel is doing this to other country's citizen and no one is saying anything.

20 years for throwing a rock at an armored vehicle. Seems reasonable.

We really, really need Palestinian statehood sometime in the next few years.

As long as Israel is allowed to shit on arab whenever it wants without any accounting for its action It will never happen period.
 

TheStruggler

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If throwing rocks at walls and vehicles is terrorism, then what the hell do you call the last 60+ years of Israel's actions against Palestine and her people?
Jesus I would have bee declared a terrorist when I was at he age of 5 because thats all me and my friends did was throw rocks
 

Hagi

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They give absolutely no fucks and it doesn't matter how much press coverage they get, they'll continue to give no fucks until someone steps in. Sad story all around.
 

Metaroo

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Israel is disgusting. Change needs to start with the Israeli people, first and foremost. Unless the attitudes of the Israeli's change, then things like this will continue to occur.
 

cheezcake

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You begin to consider that these policies are pretty deliberately set in place to ensure conflict continues, as that conflict is where a lot of the higher ups derive their power in the first place.
 
They give absolutely no fucks and it doesn't matter how much press coverage they get, they'll continue to give no fucks until someone steps in. Sad story all around.

Yup, if they can shell schools and kids playing on the beach and not face any consequences, bad press is nothing for them
 

Skyzard

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You begin to consider that these policies are pretty deliberately set in place to ensure conflict continues, as that conflict is where a lot of the higher ups derive their power in the first place.

Contrast it with British soldiers in Northern Ireland who were hated by the kids who often stoned them but they just had to becareful to not make things worse.

Documentary on the kids in NI on youtube- children in crossfire 1974: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjCU8P37Cs

You certainly wouldn't see them strapping a kid to their vehicle as a literal human shield in dangerous territory.

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Jonm1010

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These are the sort of threads that pile up that make me pull my hair out when another conflict inevitably erupts and the usual suspects come out of the woodworks and call Palestine the instigator and Israel a beacon of justice and fairness.

This is the interim shit that fuels the fire of hatred and conflict.

These kids are not going to grow up thinking they can reason with a state that beats and imprisons them for in some cases, rather innocent and minor childhood deviant behavior.

This sort of corrupt justice system is something that will affect the entire culture of the Palestenian people and not in a way that is advantageous to future cooperation. This is the stuff that breeds radicals and entices moderates to go along with them.
 
Being open in actions like this is much worse than keeping it as secret. It's like saying to the entire world that Israel will do whatever it wants with human lives since we're sure no one will say a word.

I'd blame the huge pro-Israel lobby in the US. No one is taking action against them because that would amount to political suicide.
 
Israel will never have peace in the region until they hash out some sort of two state deal. The notion that their leader would say he'd never let that happen is horrific.

And I don't know the history of this conflict as well as perhaps I should but my question on the Palestinian side is: Have they now or ever had that type of MLK/Gandhi type of leader that leads non-violent resistance? That tries to use shame of what's being done to drive change? Or is that going on now and the media just sorta overlooks the notion that the vast majority of Palestinians want peace? Or perhaps I need to stop reading American news sources and look internationally?

Ugh.

Throwing rocks is childish defiance. Jailing them will only strengthen their hatred. What's the point?
 
Any country that espouses the virtues of peace, equality and tolerance and continue to support such an oppressive and outright racist regime should be ashamed. They are hypocrites of the highest order and have blood on their hands by proxy.
 
You begin to consider that these policies are pretty deliberately set in place to ensure conflict continues, as that conflict is where a lot of the higher ups derive their power in the first place.
You do indeed.

Is peace an existential threat to Israel? To Bibi?

Are Israel's long term aims thrown to shit if peace is a real possibility?

I wonder.
 

MutFox

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It's so upsetting that open racism like this is looked upon as fine by some people.
According to their religion though, they'll still go to heaven.
 

commedieu

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Israel will never have peace in the region until they hash out some sort of two state deal. The notion that their leader would say he'd never let that happen is horrific.

And I don't know the history of this conflict as well as perhaps I should but my question on the Palestinian side is: Have they now or ever had that type of MLK/Gandhi type of leader that leads non-violent resistance? That tries to use shame of what's being done to drive change? Or is that going on now and the media just sorta overlooks the notion that the vast majority of Palestinians want peace? Or perhaps I need to stop reading American news sources and look internationally?

Ugh.

Throwing rocks is childish defiance. Jailing them will only strengthen their hatred. What's the point?

The point? They hate the Palestinians. Sort of cut and dry. Which is why Bibi said when hes elected, there will never be a Palestinian state. Until after he won.. then he said hes open to options again..
 

eissan

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Antisemitism claims pop up on here when Israel gets rightful criticisms it deserves.

I really hate that we support them and fund them.

The worst thing about this type of "defence" is that you have ACTUAL anti-semitic issues that need attention(a recent one is the holland futbol match with the anti-semitic slogans) but IMO though because of BS anti-semitic calls it becomes the story of the boy who cried wolf.
 
What is Israel supposed to do? If these kids don't have the common decency to die, be maimed or suffer from PTSD like the rest of their friends then they need to be taught a lesson.
 

King_Moc

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Those kids will grow up, fire rockets at Israel, and be made out to be the aggressors so the whole sorry affair can continue. At this point I don't even want Palestine to be granted a part of their country back, I want them to get the whole damn thing. Israel knew exactly what it was voting for, fuck them.
 

bionic77

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/...eds-palestinian-children-150405064416744.html



Perhaps if they don't want stones thrown at their walls and soldiers, they should end their illegal occupation. Israeli soldiers routinely take over Palestinian houses for days or weeks and shove the occupants into a single room during that whole stay. Meanwhile a kid who throws a rock disappears as he/she is essentially kidnapped by occupying soldiers. The parents won't have any idea where their child is until 24-48 hours later when Israeli soldiers finally decide to inform them that they picked up the kid and moved him/her to prison. Can't believe our tax dollars go to these criminals.
That pretty much sums up the entire debate regarding Israel. Its not really that complicated no matter how much anyone tries to make it.

But most people who support Israel don't want to address that and instead try to justify the occupation and paint the victims as the aggressors as if it that somehow justifies their behavior towards them.
 
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