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Istanbul burning, protestors angry at Government...
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Mavromatis
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Here you go, they made a nice voice over to the penguins documentary.
in hatay. a 22 year old protester, abdullah cömert, is reportedly dead because of wounds on head, majority say that it was either a gunshot or excessive force on head but nothing official right now, although both halk tv and antakya deputy of chp confirmed it. (slight graphic)
(reasonably) peaceful protesters are now returning to their homes so that the provocateurs can't spark more violence.
EDIT: his facebook account:
"i slept for only 5 hours over the last 3 days. i have been gassed countless times. 3 times my life was in danger. you know what people say? they say "let it go, can you save the country?" yes i will. even if i don't save it i will die trying..."
EDIT2: hatay.gov.tr, under heavy pressure
it is confirmed, apparently.
(reasonably) peaceful protesters are now returning to their homes so that the provocateurs can't spark more violence.
EDIT: his facebook account:
"i slept for only 5 hours over the last 3 days. i have been gassed countless times. 3 times my life was in danger. you know what people say? they say "let it go, can you save the country?" yes i will. even if i don't save it i will die trying..."
EDIT2: hatay.gov.tr, under heavy pressure
it is confirmed, apparently.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
This is the anthem of this protest!
http://youtu.be/MdHirjQ-CJ8
Posted a translated version. Duman is fuckin awesome btw.
http://youtu.be/MdHirjQ-CJ8
Posted a translated version. Duman is fuckin awesome btw.
thezerofire
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from what I read he died from getting hit in the head by a gas canister and fragments of that got lodged in his head. If you watch the video, there's no way the guy with the gun could have hit him, the gun was aimed way up in the airin hatay. a 22 year old protester, abdullah cömert, is reportedly dead because of wounds on head, majority say that it was either a gunshot or excessive force on head but nothing official right now, although both halk tv and antakya deputy of chp confirmed it. (slight graphic)
(reasonably) peaceful protesters are now returning to their homes so that the provocateurs can't spark more violence.
EDIT: his facebook account:
"i slept for only 5 hours over the last 3 days. i have been gassed countless times. 3 times my life was in danger. you know what people say? they say "let it go, can you save the country?" yes i will. even if i don't save it i will die trying..."
EDIT2: hatay.gov.tr, under heavy pressure
it is confirmed, apparently.
that's not the video, this just happened in antakya, 2 hours ago. the video you are talking about was in ankara or istanbul, yesterday or the day before. i can't remember exactly.
i am watching the news, there are reportedly 2 witnesses, it's 2 a.m. here right now. tomorrow hopefully it will be resolved.
thezerofire
Banned
ah my bad. I don't really like watching that kind of video so I just assumed it was the same one
no problem, man. it's completely understandable. he is dead, consensus seems to be that he was shot in head. majority say that the bullets came from the police, scorpion armed vehicle in particular. some rumours also say that it had nothing to do with the protests, it was because of personal reasons.
he is reported to be a member of chp (main opposition) youth organizations and he was an active protester. odds are it will be traced back to police somehow. even if it didn't what's done is done. hopefully, we all will wake up to a better situation tomorrow.
EDIT: police in ankara, covering their id numbers (back of their helmets) with stickers:
Mavromatis
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June 2, 2013 - Old Man Yells At Cloud:
June 4, 2013 - Scandal in Turkish Police Academy
I'm all for giving people with a general learning disability a role in society but I would strongly object to any positions involving dangerous tools let alone authority.
June 4, 2013 - Scandal in Turkish Police Academy
I'm all for giving people with a general learning disability a role in society but I would strongly object to any positions involving dangerous tools let alone authority.
TrojanBlade
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I had a vacation planned with family in Istanbul before all this happened (will be there on 10th). Is it still safe to travel there? Can someone who is in Istanbul let me know how things are? We will be mostly visiting the tourist areas in the old town and maybe take a day tour to some other places outside of Istanbul. Any info in this regard will be greatly appreciated. You can PM me if needed.
CHEEZMO;60838057 said:
quite late, i know.
some other pics: 1 2
protesters raise $55k for a full-page ad in nytimes.
Facism
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That's only a tiny part, unfortunately. I know it was translated and published but i can't find anywhere to buy it or read.
According to this Turkish report 16 people have been arrested in their homes and jailed for using twitter, the charges are propaganda against the state.
Looks like Erdogan's thugs took his commands quite seriously when he said Twitter is a menace to society.
In funnier news, Erdogan ended his trip to Morocco in disappointment, King Mohammed VI of Morocco rejected to meet with Erdogan despite it being an official visit and a meeting with the Prime Minister of Morocco was cut short. It might be related to what's happening in Turkey but the King has never been a big supporter of the Islamist lead Arab spring in Tunis, Egypt and the war in Libya while Erdogan was cheering for it, so some division already existed.
Erdogan is in Algiers now, and toning down his demonstrator slander and going for an easy target instead:
not possible? Putin begs to disagree, so do I, and the democracy he speaks of is an even bigger lie than the rest.
A petition to request CNN to pull its franchise name from CNN Türk has reached 75k signatures.
Looks like Erdogan's thugs took his commands quite seriously when he said Twitter is a menace to society.
In funnier news, Erdogan ended his trip to Morocco in disappointment, King Mohammed VI of Morocco rejected to meet with Erdogan despite it being an official visit and a meeting with the Prime Minister of Morocco was cut short. It might be related to what's happening in Turkey but the King has never been a big supporter of the Islamist lead Arab spring in Tunis, Egypt and the war in Libya while Erdogan was cheering for it, so some division already existed.
Erdogan is in Algiers now, and toning down his demonstrator slander and going for an easy target instead:
not possible? Putin begs to disagree, so do I, and the democracy he speaks of is an even bigger lie than the rest.
A petition to request CNN to pull its franchise name from CNN Türk has reached 75k signatures.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
The only funny thing comming from this situation is this:
http://resistancehumor.tumblr.com/
Warning: huge Game of thrones spoiler (from the last episode)
Some of them are hilarious!
http://resistancehumor.tumblr.com/
Warning: huge Game of thrones spoiler (from the last episode)
Some of them are hilarious!
Incredible 2 minute Youtube animated summary of what has been going on in Turkey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wwSPRpVJZE
Interestingly, I came across this after watching another animated feature about Xbone and Kinect from the same people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pumEWBJMA8k
The Turkish one is way better btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wwSPRpVJZE
Interestingly, I came across this after watching another animated feature about Xbone and Kinect from the same people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pumEWBJMA8k
The Turkish one is way better btw.
Katzenjammer
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Both of them are incredible! I love that they even got in the meme of moving Turkey to another location while the PM is on vacation.
ataturk the founder disliked religion
he molded turkey into a secular state despite tons of people being religious
erdogan wants to integrate islam more
thats my guess
archnemesis
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Reading Amnesty's 2013 report for Turkey might be a good place to start.
Saargabath
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Gezi Park is not just some random park. It's been used for protests and demonstrations. Replacing it with malls or a Mosque is quite a big deal.
Ataturk did it rather ruthlessly.
Facism
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Ruthless is the only way when your country is riddled with traitors, fools and foreign occupying forces.
Policeman dies after falling off bridge during protests in Turkey
So far all of it points to an accident, remember this because Turkish officials will try to spin it into murder to exploit it. Erdogan has been calling demonstrators everything from extremists to terrorists, he needs lies to justify that rhetoric.
So far all of it points to an accident, remember this because Turkish officials will try to spin it into murder to exploit it. Erdogan has been calling demonstrators everything from extremists to terrorists, he needs lies to justify that rhetoric.
Katzenjammer
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Nice performance in the park by one of Turkey's best choirs (who have also won several international contests). It's a traditional song with the lyrics tweaked a bit to better fit the protests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RUr84OipZ0
Seeing this kind of actions makes me really happy. Too bad the festive atmosphere is mostly located to Taksim while police violence continues in other areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RUr84OipZ0
Seeing this kind of actions makes me really happy. Too bad the festive atmosphere is mostly located to Taksim while police violence continues in other areas.
The little gem that starts off your paragraph is absolutely brilliant. I mean Saudi Arabia is COMPLETELY free from western 'intervention'. Completely bro. Completely.
Completely wrapped around the little finger of NATO puppet masters that is.
If the only democracy in the Middle East is Israel and we are to take that as a role -model, then I hope the Middle East stays under complete dictatorship and 'backwardness' - I didn't know we equate Nazi states and democracy these days.
This dude speaketh truth...
Back to Turkey....
Katzenjammer
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Last I looked it was still primarily against the prime minister and his stubbornness. He was just on a press conference and reinforced that he would get that park demolished no matter what and turned into.. yeah I'm not entirely sure what he wants to build there actually.
He will be returning to Istanbul tonight, I hope the violence doesn't ramp up.
Typhoon_Ex
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O the hypocrisy of Erdogan is amazing, in this day and age he criticizes Assad yet says nothing about his own country.
And not only him NATO AFAIK has not pronounced itself on the matter yet, because they can't afford to loose Turkey, so let the people be oppressed, maimed and murdered all in the service of an increasingly authoritarian west.
We can't even hide on an island anymore, global warming and rising ocean levels will get us.
And not only him NATO AFAIK has not pronounced itself on the matter yet, because they can't afford to loose Turkey, so let the people be oppressed, maimed and murdered all in the service of an increasingly authoritarian west.
We can't even hide on an island anymore, global warming and rising ocean levels will get us.
Facism
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he's also chatting shit about how "foreign nationals" are involved and trying to paint up this big conspiracy theory about the protests.
If you look at that way then ataturk was also a traitor. You could say he was traitor of ottoman empire. Maybe the greatest traitor. He killed everything that his forefathers created. Do you know how CHP is still this big? Ataturk gave them land everywhere and a bank. Ataturk was a hypocrite. But that shit happens in wartime with drinking alcohol.
What the fuck does drinking alcohol have to do with anything? Regardless, this is bullshit, whether you're a Kemalist or not is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
I am not the one who started it. Maybe the alcohol thing was going to far but what are your thoughts about him being a traitor?
There's another leader in a certain country who has been saying those kind of things as well. Difference between Assad and Erdogan is Erdogan was elected by the people while Assad inherited Syria from his father and is a dictator.
Having said that the actions of Turkish police and Erdogan have been disgusting.
Baki
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No where near the same level of crackdown as Assad (as an aside, this crackdown is far too heav handed) AND he can democratically elected out of parliment unlike Assad.
21 March, 2011 - Syria: Seven Police Killed, Buildings Torched in Protests
Your comparison is flawed, there are no foreign agents at work in Turkey (SEA is operating from outside of Turkey), the Syrian reform demonstrations were infiltrated by terrorists who purposely targeted police to incite violence and destabilize the country.
The first deaths in Syria were law enforcement and this was before the Army was called in to restore order.
If you care to continue this comparison I suggest to read the Syria War thread and do it there.
I've never really considered whether he was a traitor to the Ottoman empire or not, but I do think that the creation of the Republic of Turkey did preserve the independence of the region (my feelings are somewhat biased though, as Ireland was going through a similar struggle for independence at the same time).
Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think I would call him a traitor, as the Ottoman Empire he had served up to that point wasn't really the same anymore, and would have been little more than a puppet had the National Movement not taken action.
But yes, the methods Ataturk used were extreme in many cases (particularly with the treatment of languages, I have many turkish friends who resent the fact that they're unable to read many of the old Ottoman texts), however, the changes he made and the views he held far outweigh the harshness of some of the things he did.
Educational reforms, social changes, and above all, women's rights. People who aren't fans of Ataturk always seem to forget that before his reforms women in the Ottoman empire didn't really have rights.
I'm curious as to how many of these foreigners are exchange students or language teachers.
Well one of them was Greek, and yep, he was a student, it was all over the news here (at least online).
He's been extradited.
From the same article:
Facism
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It could be seen that way, sure. I'm of the opinion that the Empire wasn't worth preserving as it was in the late 1900s.
As for the alcohol, well shit, if someone spend years fighting a war, then a campaign liberating your people from the sick corpse of the Ottoman Empire, it's traitors, sellouts. Pushing back against foreign armies and rebuilding a nation free of a Caliph, a government not bound in superstition and spirituality, free of meddling royalty. A nation built on rational thought and a desire of modernisation and integration, I could forgive a man for wanting to drink in his off time.
Without Ataturk being a "hypocrite" and "the greatest traitor,"The Republic of Turkey would have suffered far worse, the initial terms of the Treaty of Sevres would have been ratified and you wouldn't have the country as it exists today.
I respect your opinions and hold no prejudice against you.
@ poisonelf: I bet all that Greek student did was step out onto the the street, got grabbed by those fucking Fetullah Gulen-loving riot-pigs and that was enough. Disgusting.
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