Katzenjammer
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The PM has landed in Istanbul! Just came out of the airport, possibly going to give a speech.
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RustyNails
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Can't they just umm...vote him out next elections?
I have a fondness for the classics
Defiant Turkish PM Erdogan urges end to protests
Still looking for a full translation, he spoke quite a while and not everything seemed to be to the liking of his support.
The only way you can get this is a restricted franchise- which I am starting to support- limit the vote to military veterans/equivalent service and those with college degrees from public universities.
And the Ministry of Truth in Turkey continues, 6 Turkish newspaper carrying the same headline today, an Erdogan quote which so far has no sources, he is supposed to have said it during his return airport speech but seems to have been left out.
Erdogan: “I'd lay down my life for Democratic demands”
90s Erdogan: “Democracy is a train from which you get off once you reach the station.”
Or is this the press crying for help, trying to expose they lost control?
Erdogan: “I'd lay down my life for Democratic demands”
90s Erdogan: “Democracy is a train from which you get off once you reach the station.”
Or is this the press crying for help, trying to expose they lost control?
Liberty4all
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And the Ministry of Truth in Turkey continues, 6 Turkish newspaper carrying the same headline today, an Erdogan quote which so far has no sources, he is supposed to have said it during his return airport speech but seems to have been left out.
Erdogan: I'd lay down my life for Democratic demands
90s Erdogan: Democracy is a train from which you get off once you reach the station.
Or is this the press crying for help, trying to expose they lost control?
Ugh
Such blatant manipulation of the free press is really shattering my idea of how first world Turkey truly is. Disgusting.
This happens in more countries. Even in a "free" country as The Netherlands. I think they are getting their news from the same news agency source. Like most buy their news from Reuters.
Mavromatis
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Everybody gets their news from the same agencies, point is newspapers might choose what to put on their frontpage.
The Revolution has evolved, I present you the New Generation of counter-tear gas measures.
Turkish Protesters Use Cling Wrap to Protect Themselves from Tear Gas
Noam Chomsky's call to the World about the Taksim Gezi Park Resistance
Turkish Protesters Use Cling Wrap to Protect Themselves from Tear Gas
Noam Chomsky's call to the World about the Taksim Gezi Park Resistance
TrojanBlade
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Quoting myself again since I got not even 1 response...thanks TurkGAF :/
It's safe at this moment but you never know what happens tomorrow. People have calmed.
Istanbul is apparently relatively calm, however, if you're travelling to Ankara or any of the other major cities, be careful. From what I hear the conflicts between protestors and police are as strong as ever in Kizilay.
Vice put up footage of their time on the ground during the protests in Istanbul. It seems to do a good job of capturing the views of citizens in the city that aren't part of particular causes but are against police brutality and overwhelming oppression.
What caused the cool down in Istanbul?
What caused the cool down in Istanbul?
Ruling AKP to hold two mass rallies in Istanbul and Ankara next week
I can't imagine how this could backfire, let's take a wild guess which side the Police will be on.
Unity, Solidarity and the Destruction of Gezi park... yeh I don't see a conflict at all. Say summer holiday at schools in Turkey starts next week doesn't it? that's a smart moment to escalate matters.
I can't imagine how this could backfire, let's take a wild guess which side the Police will be on.
Unity, Solidarity and the Destruction of Gezi park... yeh I don't see a conflict at all. Say summer holiday at schools in Turkey starts next week doesn't it? that's a smart moment to escalate matters.
joseph1594
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I thought it was important to bump this thread considering riot police are storming Taksim Square right now. This is fucked up as the government was giving mixed signals (while Erdogan said he had little tolerance for the protests, he also agreed to meet with some of the Taksim protest organizers). This is a huge escalation.
archnemesis
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22851765BBC said:
VICE is Streaming live from inside Gezi Park, English commentary.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/45219/events/2161341
If you view the kremlin bRoadcasT stream now you can see the same location from opposite perspectives.
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/45219/events/2161341
If you view the kremlin bRoadcasT stream now you can see the same location from opposite perspectives.
Liberty4all
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. This sucksVideo of Turkish police arresting lawyers in court to prevent them from providing legal council to arrested demonstrators.
Am I exaggerating when I say this is the collapse of a pretend democracy? The mask has fallen off now.
When defending somebody who is accused of breaking the law becomes a crime...
Maybe some can take it as a good sign that AKP doesn't control all of the civil court judges but this serves as a direct intimidation to them as well.
Am I exaggerating when I say this is the collapse of a pretend democracy? The mask has fallen off now.
When defending somebody who is accused of breaking the law becomes a crime...
Maybe some can take it as a good sign that AKP doesn't control all of the civil court judges but this serves as a direct intimidation to them as well.
fastford58
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Holy shit, hym. That is crazy.
Frustrated_me
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Ouf.. Not a good look.
Erdogan needed to come out day 1, walk into the park himself and start discussions with the OG protesters. This has become something else altogether.
Erdogan needed to come out day 1, walk into the park himself and start discussions with the OG protesters. This has become something else altogether.
Erdogan has consistently demonized all demonstrators, calling them looters, terrorists, and implying they are anti-Islam, this is the only narrative the mainstream TV and newspaper are covering.
Turkey's Erdogan warns patience with protests will run out (lol calling it patience, yeh when police cracked down on 30 environmentalists)
They have taken the path of trying to exploit divisions which aren't even there, essentially trying to fabricate them by inciting hostilities between groups who had no conflict (a Muslim Brotherhood formula). Sadly for him Demonstrators are truly a representative of all of Turkish society so he can't deceive those already involved anymore:
Many citizens who only get their news from 'official' sources will side with the government regardless because they've been told the opposition is threatening them.
11 June, 2013 - Twitter lies deadlier than car bombs: Ruling party official
Worse than terrorists, this is what they are aiming for. This comes exactly a month after The Reyhanlı car bombs in Turkey which killed 52 people and injured 140.
An attack which AKP tried to cover up no less:
Gendarmerie officer arrested, accused of leaking secret documents incriminating al-Qaeda of the Reyhanlı terrorist attacks
30 minutes after it happened they blamed the Syrian government while police knew al-Qaeda was operating in Turkey and planning attacks.
thank you guys so much for carrying the thread. situation is ridiculous here.
there have been protests every day since day one, in all major cities. many people are injured and/or arrested. media continues to be a joke.
recently erdogan started having his own rallies with his own supporters, saying things like "they don't have the power to stop us, we will destroy that park.", "we planted 2 billion 800 million (2.800.000.000) trees over the course of 10 years (over 750.000 trees everyday when you do the math), we like nature.". the adherent media made a lot of fuss about it, saying things like "hundreds of thousands rush to the airport to welcome erdogan!"
hundreds of thousands (the channel belongs to the son of mayor of ankara, who is very close friends with erdogan.):
i have friends who work in the city hall, he says that they were encouraged to go to rallies. there were chants like "let us go, we will crush taksim." from his supporters. sadly, people start to hate each other. media is presenting news like "they forcefully entered mosques! they drank beer, they didn't take their shoes off! they are disrespectful!". one report (even though it is on a website which is extremely biased in favour of erdogan) said "there weren't any cameras in the mosque, they could have had group sex in there!!!" [article(?) in turkish]
lawyers are being detained, here is a pretty picture:
there have been protests every day since day one, in all major cities. many people are injured and/or arrested. media continues to be a joke.
recently erdogan started having his own rallies with his own supporters, saying things like "they don't have the power to stop us, we will destroy that park.", "we planted 2 billion 800 million (2.800.000.000) trees over the course of 10 years (over 750.000 trees everyday when you do the math), we like nature.". the adherent media made a lot of fuss about it, saying things like "hundreds of thousands rush to the airport to welcome erdogan!"
hundreds of thousands (the channel belongs to the son of mayor of ankara, who is very close friends with erdogan.):
i have friends who work in the city hall, he says that they were encouraged to go to rallies. there were chants like "let us go, we will crush taksim." from his supporters. sadly, people start to hate each other. media is presenting news like "they forcefully entered mosques! they drank beer, they didn't take their shoes off! they are disrespectful!". one report (even though it is on a website which is extremely biased in favour of erdogan) said "there weren't any cameras in the mosque, they could have had group sex in there!!!" [article(?) in turkish]
lawyers are being detained, here is a pretty picture:
My friend and I started to count how often they mentioned Molotov cocktail on CNN, especially the Turkish officials calling in were great at it to demonize the demonstrators. So I decided to look it up, yep that's what anarchism looks like alright.
Video of Turkish police arresting lawyers in court to prevent them from providing legal council to arrested demonstrators.
Am I exaggerating when I say this is the collapse of a pretend democracy? The mask has fallen off now.
When defending somebody who is accused of breaking the law becomes a crime...
Maybe some can take it as a good sign that AKP doesn't control all of the civil court judges but this serves as a direct intimidation to them as well.
What the fuck? That is pathetic.
kemalettin
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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/riot-police-retake-istanbuls-taksim-square/100532/
amazing photos.. and also im the gas mask expert police and so called terrorists using same masks you cant buy or find that type of masks in Turkey
only if you are police..
amazing photos.. and also im the gas mask expert police and so called terrorists using same masks you cant buy or find that type of masks in Turkey
only if you are police..
Lactose_Intolerant
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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/06/riot-police-retake-istanbuls-taksim-square/100532/
amazing photos.. and also im the gas mask expert police and so called terrorists using same masks you cant buy or find that type of masks in Turkey
dat viral marketing
this guy is hardcore
Racist Remark by PM Erdoğan Party Group Address 2013-06-11
He uses the word Zenci, which according to google means: black, African, coloured, spade, buck, blackie, crow, and some 'n' words.
He uses the word Zenci, which according to google means: black, African, coloured, spade, buck, blackie, crow, and some 'n' words.
Liberty4all
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It's time the Turkish army steps in as it's always had to do, to safeguard Turkey's tradition of secularism.
Does the Army still have enough old liners in power to start a coup?
Does the Army still have enough old liners in power to start a coup?
I think they got purged a few years ago, so as much as this is the best result right now, I don't see it happening.
There absolutely no reason for a coup. Please like you are fucked up. A coup means economy going back 20 years. But fucked up people like that shit. AKP is chosen by the people. If you don't like that then maybe you should move to another country because your thinking differs from AKP.
No.
The Turks are dumb. Turkey has mostly prospered thus far under the current government which has made sensible decisions with regards to Arab Spring, treatment of Syrian refugees and its welfare support.
They even had good ties with Israel (Israel then proceeded to fuck that relationship up).
A coup would fuck the country up and instability for Turkey would instability for ME (more that it already is).
Edit: The way the government has handled this however, is disgusting.
Video of Turkish police arresting lawyers in court to prevent them from providing legal council to arrested demonstrators.
Am I exaggerating when I say this is the collapse of a pretend democracy? The mask has fallen off now.
When defending somebody who is accused of breaking the law becomes a crime...
Maybe some can take it as a good sign that AKP doesn't control all of the civil court judges but this serves as a direct intimidation to them as well.
What the fuck is going on over there?
Democracy does not mean the majority (which AKP isn't even) get's to rule over the minority, does not mean the elected can control the media and does not mean they can silence the minority.
Read this. Economy getting fucked at this moment because of some freedom bullshit and a lousy park. Stupid stupid people.
edit: You know what. I hope that the econonomy goes to shit. That Turkey gets money bills with 6 zeros again. I really hope this. Then maybe then CHP will get chosen and you will have your "freedom" but no money to enjoy your "freedom". Go go Turkish freedom fighters.
edit: You know what. I hope that the econonomy goes to shit. That Turkey gets money bills with 6 zeros again. I really hope this. Then maybe then CHP will get chosen and you will have your "freedom" but no money to enjoy your "freedom". Go go Turkish freedom fighters.
You know that you have been brainwashed when the stability of the economy is more important to you than the lives of the people exercising their basic rights. You do not just do inhumane shit like this and get away with it cause "the economy is fine".
Who says that you are not the one who is brainwashed? Maybe we are all brainwashed or maybe none of us is brainwashed. With good economy comes freedom. I never had the feeling i wasn't free in Turkey. If buying alcohol after 22:00 in a store is against your freedom then i don't know anymore. If removing a park is againt your freedom then i don't know anymore either. But there are even people that think that a coup is freedom.
So what we've (long) established and (in your words) finally confirmed is you don't know shit.
Check.
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