hobblygobbly
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Apple has been progressive with its Apple II series from late 70s onwards, first iPod and first generation iPhone. That's it. They haven't changed anything outside of that.
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It feels like Apple isn't changing the game anymore.
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It's about as good as any other Smartwatch; terrible.
I own both, and I still think Pebble's got the right idea.
What are you talking about?
My last android phone broke after over three years of having it and I just bought a new phone, made the login and when it finished the login and the installation, all the apps I had on my older phone, all my contacts, all my events on the calendar and even my wi-fi passwords were already saved and working on my new phone. I literally just did the login and everything else was automatic.
If I login on any laptop, regardless the operational system, I can access my pictures, contacts, calendar, spreadsheets and everything I have on my phone.
And it has been like that since forever now.
videogamephilosopher
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They (Apple) ran out of Dieter Ram designs to appropriate.
All jokes aside I enjoy when Apple gets things right unfortunately they can't seem to make one device that does not have a glaring issue besides the ipod.
The older hardware and software is really bullet proof so it is more of good enough than a must have philosophy for Apple products.
All jokes aside I enjoy when Apple gets things right unfortunately they can't seem to make one device that does not have a glaring issue besides the ipod.
The older hardware and software is really bullet proof so it is more of good enough than a must have philosophy for Apple products.
MatrixMan.EXE
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This has been the case for years now. At least 4-5 years in my opinion. Nothing new.
ZackieChan
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The mere mention of Apple brings out the crazy on all sides, man. It is fascinating to watch.
Opus Angelorum
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Running out of new product categories simply ends up being a race to the fastest, slimmest and smartest.
videogamephilosopher
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Apple designers should have made it twice the current size so it could have had an array of SSD slots around the circumference of the shell. had two inner layers one for storage and another for the logicboard. Also the logicboard should have had to slots for 2x cpu processors slots.
I don't understand the making pro devices so small that vital features are taken out and taking steps backwards by omitting industry standards.
Does any software utilize the dual graphics card set up? are those even professional grade cards? No. This is a Mac Amateur not pro.
Yeah, we're going to need a source on this.
One that doesn't come off Apple's own PR.
I'd love a source too. I've got a Watch on order so this would be very interesting to read.
I agree with you OP. The iPod was a game changer, the iPhone was a game changer, the iPad(as stupid of an idea I originally thought it was) was a game changer. Apple hasn't done much new on either the hardware or the software side of things since Steve Jobs passed away.
Other companies are innovating much faster than Apple, but unfortunately they don't have the cachet or mindshare of Apple. Apple has become an iterative company and its position as a status symbol(at least when it comes to iPhones) is a big reason why they're still so successful.
One recent product of theirs that is pretty cool is the new Macbook, but it's also a step back in a lot of ways as well, and it's more expensive than the Pro with the only advantage being it's size and weight.
Other companies are innovating much faster than Apple, but unfortunately they don't have the cachet or mindshare of Apple. Apple has become an iterative company and its position as a status symbol(at least when it comes to iPhones) is a big reason why they're still so successful.
One recent product of theirs that is pretty cool is the new Macbook, but it's also a step back in a lot of ways as well, and it's more expensive than the Pro with the only advantage being it's size and weight.
RubberJohnny
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It's so weird that people recognise that stuff being attractive and cool is important in cars and fashion and home design and every other aspect of life but then with electronics they're like "beep boop numbers only" like it's still the 90s and nerds with no sense of aesthetics or design are still the majority of the audience.
ArtHands
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You do know samsung s6 has got a bending problem that is as bad if not worse compare iphone6 right?
http://www.androidauthority.com/video-galaxy-s6-edge-one-m9-bend-test-598528/
This coming from a half year old galaxy tab 4 user. it is starting to lag when i swipe it now unlike my one year old iphone 5s.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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My thing with Apple is I find there success being off the backs of others. I feel like nothing is their own except it works marginally better for Apple users and that's all. When the iPhone came out, it was literally the first of its kind but looking at all the features the iPhone has, I'm not seeing much "Apple killer feature" that no other phone or device has these days.
Force touch is the first Apple feature that completely there own and it's cool. But that's it.
Force touch is the first Apple feature that completely there own and it's cool. But that's it.
No one.
Wearables are going to be a big part of the future tech and, so far, Apple has been the only one to present smartwatches as a product that you want to own.
Google is doing a lot of cool things in that space but their way of presenting products makes it harder to establish a product as a "must have". They just do the OS and then there's a bunch of similar products where the consumer has no idea what to choose and why.
The fact that Apple presents an high quality product, explains what it does and how it works and markets it in full force to the mainstream market is the reason this segment will be more than just an experiment.
As an off topic, it always amazes me people who "attack" the ones that buy Apple products because they can't realize that people put different weight in different aspects of a product and that specs aren't everything. I was even called an Apple fanboy once because I said I would rather use my Macbook than any Windows machine. And said Macbook is the only Apple product I own.
Google is doing a lot of cool things in that space but their way of presenting products makes it harder to establish a product as a "must have". They just do the OS and then there's a bunch of similar products where the consumer has no idea what to choose and why.
The fact that Apple presents an high quality product, explains what it does and how it works and markets it in full force to the mainstream market is the reason this segment will be more than just an experiment.
As an off topic, it always amazes me people who "attack" the ones that buy Apple products because they can't realize that people put different weight in different aspects of a product and that specs aren't everything. I was even called an Apple fanboy once because I said I would rather use my Macbook than any Windows machine. And said Macbook is the only Apple product I own.
burnside13
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Their strange fetish with thin macbooks is going into the wrong direction IMO. Hopefully the Macbook Pro won't come with all the current gen Air hassles
Chittagong
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The watch thing was linked to in the OT, it was something along the lines of 'Apple Watch uses material techniques only seen so far in TAG Heuers starting at $XXXX.' Not sure if it's true as I don't know the watch industry.
For the mobile part, I used to work for a big manufacturer for 10+ years, and remember how blown away we were when Apple started to buy tons of milling machines to mass produce computers with a production method nobody thought was viable for a consumer product - milling them out of a single piece. Now they have farms of machines and use them across their product line. We were also blown away when Apple decided at the last minute to use glass on iPhone, it was virtually unheard of in the industry. Or how they decided to use aluminum, which was deemed so expensive pretty much everyone used metal-esque painted platic that would soon chip away. Or how when everyone else used bog standard black USB chargers and cables ordered off an ODM catalog, Apple would use time to do one of their own. Or how they created a polished, champfered edge on the iPad Air with methods seen before mostly in jewellery.
I realise that for most people stuff like that doesn't matter, a Galaxy looks just fine for them. But for design and manufacturing geeks an Apple product is the equal of a very elaborately and time consumingly produced whisky.
As if releasing new products/category of products that are also compelling was an easy task.
It's pretty much impossible to keep changing the landscape constantly and in such a short time with or without Steve Jobs, more than ever if you are a company that is limited in small, consumer based electronics.
Oh and by the way even after Jobs' death Apple released a couple of products that pushed the industry forward even if not in a flashy way like the iPhone did, i'm talking about the MBP with retina display and TouchID.
It's pretty much impossible to keep changing the landscape constantly and in such a short time with or without Steve Jobs, more than ever if you are a company that is limited in small, consumer based electronics.
Oh and by the way even after Jobs' death Apple released a couple of products that pushed the industry forward even if not in a flashy way like the iPhone did, i'm talking about the MBP with retina display and TouchID.
Jill Sandwich
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While not comprehensive, Greg Koenig knows a thing or two about manufacturing.
http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made
For contrast
http://m.imore.com/difference-apple-samsung-industrial-design
AyaisMUsikWhore
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This is an interest concept because it further proves this OP. Apple made the watch look appealing to the eye as a much have. Yet Google are actually bringing features that are suppose to define what a SmartWatch is and if not them, pebble so it goes to show that once again, Apple isn't exactly the game changer. They entered the game to sell the device on aesthetics along with Apple flare and marketing behind it. But as the better functioning product which you are suppose to use, the others do that better even if customers don't know what to choose.
I give credit where credit is due. The iWatch is cool, but it feels more like a fashion commodity rather than a fully functioning in the high demanding piece of tech in an era where selling the watch needs to be more than just looks and basic features but creating its own identity alongside the phone, which the iWatch currently does not do, but Google wear does do. That's just my opinion.
There has been a lot of "waiting for the second gen" comments because of this.
MilkyJoe
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When you call someone out it helps if you post the phone they are talking about,
I chose the S6 because it is beautifully engineered, a fella in my office has one. See how the whole back of the phone is concave, so the relief of the lens does not affect the balance of the phone when it is on a flat surface.
However, that is neither here nor there, I was addressing the engineered to perfection of the Apple phone, so much that Swiss watch makers think that fairies must be working for them. The phones still bends and the camera sticks out the back. Ergo not supernatural engineering.
Also note how the Samsung accentuated the lens with a silver bezel and in contrast Apple airbrushed the lens from it's proportional pics
Twist in the tale... I don't have a Samsung, I can't stand them
When you call someone out it helps if you post the phone they are talking about,
I chose the S6 because it is beautifully engineered, a fella in my office has one. See how the whole back of the phone is concave, so the relief of the lens does not affect the balance of the phone when it is on a flat surface.
However, that is neither here nor there, I was addressing the engineered to perfection of the Apple phone, so much that Swiss watch makers think that fairies must be working for them. The phones still bends and the camera sticks out the back. Ergo not supernatural engineering.
Also note how the Samsung accentuated the lens with a silver bezel and in contrast Apple airbrushed the lens from it's proportional pics
Twist in the tale... I don't have a Samsung, I can't stand them
I wouldnÂ’t really use the S6 as an example of amazing design and engineering, itÂ’s just some shiny casing around off-the-shelf internals.
Why wouldn't he?
DeaconKnowledge
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Jobs died at the right time.
He didn't live to see Apple fade into obscurity after running out of ideas a second time.
He didn't live to see Apple fade into obscurity after running out of ideas a second time.
Chittagong
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The real irony is that my Gmail account is the only single sign-in I have that gives me access in one go to to my music, videos, photos, apps, contacts, calendar, mail, notes, reminders, location tracking, hardware ordering, remote wiping, instant messaging, video calling, cloud storage and cloud backup... But only when I use it on Apple devices.
If I use my Gmail address to log into an Android or Windows device, the same email doesn't set up all of that for me on all those devices.
onken
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Do you write for the Verge, per chance?
Nazgul_Hunter
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The verge's review of the watch was actually quite negative.
It changed the game, but not for the better. A major step backwards.
But, isn't that what Apple does best? They take an already existing technology and package it in an attractive, well designed and polished manner that makes it intuitive to use compared to the competition.
Google can invent whatever they want but if they can't establish it then it falls short of what it can be. Apple Pay + iWatch is a good example of what can be done if a company puts a ton of resources into it and establishes a standard.
All the secondary companies are watching Apple like a hawk. As soon as a rumor brews you can bet Samsung is fast-tracking that. It does make it harder to stay above the crowd. Phones and tablets have also matured to the point that the technology is pretty fixed, I don't foresee much movement in the next few years.
FaintDeftone
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I always feel like Apple steals ideas that a new and niche from other companies and applies them to popular Apple products, then everyone sings their praises as innovators. Apple Pay isn't new and Google has had Google Wallet for quite awhile, but nobody cared until Apple did it.
The same with smart watches, with integrated NFC technology in the phones, with third party keyboards, ect. Tablets weren't anything new either when the iPad released; they just basically took failed Microsoft tech and made it better.
The only thing Apple has on other companies is the design and the marketing. Yet sometimes that's all it takes. I know the Apple Watch commercials market smart watches way better than Google does and actually makes it look nicer than my Moto 360, but I know that the functionality isn't much different.
I do love the MacOS and Macbooks though. Even though they're not really doing anything different in terms of specs or hardware compared to Windows PCs at similar prices, they have that damn trackpad that is unbeatable, their less prone to viruses and they're speedy as hell. Nobody can deny that Apple creates top notch products, but I hate when people consider them massive innovators because they're really not.
The same with smart watches, with integrated NFC technology in the phones, with third party keyboards, ect. Tablets weren't anything new either when the iPad released; they just basically took failed Microsoft tech and made it better.
The only thing Apple has on other companies is the design and the marketing. Yet sometimes that's all it takes. I know the Apple Watch commercials market smart watches way better than Google does and actually makes it look nicer than my Moto 360, but I know that the functionality isn't much different.
I do love the MacOS and Macbooks though. Even though they're not really doing anything different in terms of specs or hardware compared to Windows PCs at similar prices, they have that damn trackpad that is unbeatable, their less prone to viruses and they're speedy as hell. Nobody can deny that Apple creates top notch products, but I hate when people consider them massive innovators because they're really not.
Poor Microsoft, they didn't have marketing to make their tablets successful.
Seriously people, it's like interface and ease of use mean nothing to you, like they don't have to do any work.
I wouldnÂ’t really use the S6 as an example of amazing design and engineering, itÂ’s just some shiny casing around off-the-shelf internals.
This is nitpicking to the nth degree, and yes I've read the article that picture came from, it's one of the worst articles I've ever read(written by a hard core Apple fanboy).
My S6 Edge feels better built than my 5S TBH.
Edit: And if you look at the teardown, it's easy to see that the placement of the micro USB port was an intentional design decision by Samsung, probably to make it easier to plug in while sitting on a surface.
yeah 1982
They don't really need to change the game now. As a brand Apple is fashionable, the typical apple customer doesn't buy stuff because they feel the products have "changed the game".
They buy them because they want the brand, people seem to aspire to own apple products, the same way some people aspire to have the four rings on the front of their car (Audi).
Apple could release anything with an Apple logo and mindless drones will buy it.
It's the same principle with Beats, have they "changed the game"? Are they the best headphones out there? But the average person doesn't buy beats because of that, they buy them for the perception of it being good owning the products, and being fashionable. That's why Apple purchased the Beats brand
The average person who wears beats has probably never heard of the various audiophile quality branded headphones.
They buy them because they want the brand, people seem to aspire to own apple products, the same way some people aspire to have the four rings on the front of their car (Audi).
Apple could release anything with an Apple logo and mindless drones will buy it.
It's the same principle with Beats, have they "changed the game"? Are they the best headphones out there? But the average person doesn't buy beats because of that, they buy them for the perception of it being good owning the products, and being fashionable. That's why Apple purchased the Beats brand
The average person who wears beats has probably never heard of the various audiophile quality branded headphones.
efyu_lemonardo
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Steve Jobs made plenty of bad decisions himself. Siri was one such misstep, if you ask me. I don't remember when the whole thing with maps started, but that was bad too. iCloud, or whatever it was called, wasn't a good idea either.
For Tim Cook, firing Scott Forstall may have been such a decision.
Right, and that's because there is currently no game to change.
There are markets that need disruption, like automobiles, for example, but all are too far off due to battery limitations.
Battery limitations are currently holding everything back for that matter. Everything. There is a sea of great ideas out there waiting for new battery technology to implement.
It's not just Apple being held back. Everyone is in the same boat. The entire industry is handicapped by batteries.
TacticalFox88
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This whole debate/discussion reminds me of Activision/CoD discussions in gaming side.
The two kind of mirror each other in a way.
People expecting each CoD to innovate and be RADICALLY different than the previous title because idiots keep saying "It's da samezzz! Where is da innovation111!!"
Same thing happens here: somehow it became cool to hate on Apple for...some reason. Just don't buy their products because they aren't for YOU.
The two kind of mirror each other in a way.
People expecting each CoD to innovate and be RADICALLY different than the previous title because idiots keep saying "It's da samezzz! Where is da innovation111!!"
Same thing happens here: somehow it became cool to hate on Apple for...some reason. Just don't buy their products because they aren't for YOU.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
Microsofts tablets failed because they sucked at implementing them, not marketing them.
Interface and ease of use is subjective. My wife, who is not at all tech savvy, had a much easier time learning how to use a Galaxy phone (her first smart phone) than an iPhone. When she accidentally broke her Galaxy S3, I let her use an iPhone from my IT department until her upgrade was available and she hated the interface and had a harder time figuring it out. Now she is on a Galaxy S6 and would never go back to an iPhone. Moral of the story - it all comes down to opinion and personal preference.
Battersea Power Station
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I have no idea what this means.
I'm an Android user as well, but the Apple Watch looks incredibly exciting to me. And in it's in a relatively new and promising field -- wearables.
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