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This.
Steve Jobs wasn't an innovator, just a very good salesman.
And Itunes, is, and always has been, a heaving pile of shit.
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It feels like Apple isn't changing the game anymore.
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This.
Steve Jobs wasn't an innovator, just a very good salesman.
And Itunes, is, and always has been, a heaving pile of shit.
Lord Error
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No, but I think what I said there about build quality echoes what just about every review has said tbh, so it's not like I made some outlandish claim. I was sceptical of that claim myself until I saw it in person. I don't own any watches, and probably won't anytime soon. I've seen/tried them all though.
Mr. Wonderful
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I work for a healthcare software company, and after seeing some of the things that we're doing and planning on doing with the Apple Watch (and seeing one in person), I'm now a believer. I do think that smart watches are a stop-gap solution in the field of wearables that is evolving so quickly, it might be a product that only has a three-year life span, or something crazy. We're on the brink of another major paradigm shift with computing, and who ends up on top in five years is anyone's guess.
Anyways, Apple has hardly ever been the first. They're typically just the ones that do it best.
Anyways, Apple has hardly ever been the first. They're typically just the ones that do it best.
It looks like a wastebin/ashtray combo.
Jawmuncher
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I buy apple whenever I need a new phone just because it's what I know. But I sure have been unimpressed with the big "changes" they make about each new phone.
Marauder Shields
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No need to change the game when you already own it. Their marketing and brand power is god-tier.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Reviews highly disagree with this statement except the iPhone and even that sometimes is held back because the first gens are always testing the water.
Google Wallet works just as fine as Apple Pay. I think people though the security feature of it made it somewhat better than Google wallet but it literally works the same, there is no different. You tap, slap, whatever you want with the same devices.
Google puts a ton of resources into the software to stand out. Not to be just a companion device and that's what some of Apple products are doing, beside their whole continuity which isn't a new concept as a whole.
The only thing that Google faces is that since they provide the software but it's up to other makers to make due of it and sometimes they don't it does come off looking bad, as if Google themselves did nothing to help the platform when they have.
If you take a look at the 360 which by far is the only Android Smartwatch that everyone knows besides the Galaxy watch and the LG, it is the best one, with the best functionality and design. It was the first watch to actually look like an actual watch.
I don't need to list the things that the Moto watch already does better than the iWatch as both 1st gen models and the improvements that has been made to it in since then.
Apple will probably do the same thing, with it's 2nd gen. And, to me, that's not game changer. It's just playing the game and doing what they can with it. Apple does what it does best, I just fail to see how that translate into what they do, being the absolute standard when are not the one's creating it and taking it to the next level. I think they have done things to other products which has definitely been trusted upon to sometimes set the new standard, but I don't think they have been the one game changing it. These days, it's just apple being last and making it look and feel better, but not necessarily "better".
MilkyJoe
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That's better
This pretty much shows that you don't know anything about the subject.
Apple bought Beats because of the people behind it and the influence and connections they have with the music industry to make sure another kind of project (music streaming service) shatters competition.
Beats acquisition is "collateral damage" it was the condition to make so that Jimmy Iovine (and Dre i guess) could work for Apple, they could put the brand in the recycle bin this very second and not care for it for the rest of the eternity if they wanted.
Frank Serpico
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What other company is constantly expected to revolutionize the industry like apple? iPod with music, iPhones with phones, iPads with tablets. I think they'll do the same with Apple Watches with watches, once in a couple months apple watches will be available in stores you'll see them flood the streets and the every smart watch maker and traditional watch maker will have to make drastic changes
Yes, because having all those inside connections is very helpful when it comes to streaming music service, as we've all seen...
At the risk of sounding like that U.S. patent office guy from the 1800s who said everything that can be invented has already been invented, is there really anything any of today's tech companies can do with consumer electronics that can be considered a game changer at this point?
Sure Apple/Samsung/others have plenty of room to make minor upgrades to speed/memory/storage/resolution, but what can be done to phones/tablets/whatever else that can make people say HOLY SHIT I NEED THAT like when smartphones first started getting huge?
Google Glass was probably the best recent attempt, but it was a flop. What else can be done?
Sure Apple/Samsung/others have plenty of room to make minor upgrades to speed/memory/storage/resolution, but what can be done to phones/tablets/whatever else that can make people say HOLY SHIT I NEED THAT like when smartphones first started getting huge?
Google Glass was probably the best recent attempt, but it was a flop. What else can be done?
TheSinkingKnight
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The age of Apple is done.
You're right. Nothing more can be done. We've finally reached the pinnacle of consumer electronics. It took a while but we're here.... we did it boys!!!!!
Back to reality, people have been saying this about Apple for years now. Nothing new. They still make billions and billions so that's okay. Not every company must innovate and create entirely new sectors.
styl3s
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Apple watch is a fisher price toy compared to some the android watch stuff.
And apple pay isn't anything innovative and new.
formasymphonic
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+1 vote here. Still using my 2008 Pro and the only problems i have ever had with it ironically were 3rd party ram the default Apple RAM thats always considered overpriced is still going on strong.
Absolutely. When its eventually time to replace it, hardware that ran great for 7+ years is definitely a motivator to reinvest in the same manufacturer.
CharminUltra
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Apple was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.
Nastrodamous
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We have yet to see the results likely we'll get the whole picture at WWDC, actually we had a glimpse of that with the few days old news where Apple is pushing record labels to force guys like Spotify to stop their free tier.
How do you think that is happening? Magic? If they manage to do stuff like this is because of Iovine.
You're absolutely right. The popularity of Beats as a brand had nothing to do with it at all. The acquisition was simply to get all them "inside connections" lol.
And everyone buys Apple products for the innovation they bring to the table.....
If you can't see that the average person buys into a brand because of how it's perceived in society then I don't know what to say.
People that post on internet forums are a minority and don't reflect the majority (or the average consumer), look at gaming for example? Why do you think games like call of duty and Fifa sell by the bucket load every year?
The Albatross
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Are any of the 'big names' in tech changing the game anymore? It's been a very conservative hardware and software climate for the last 3 or 4 years for the old guard of tech companies. The only ones I can really think of are Microsoft with Hololens and Google with Glass, but neither of these seem like consumer-ready, need-to-own products, more or less tech demos and parlor tricks.
Some of these posts... Is it so hard for some of you to believe that some people (who are also very informed in tech) just prefer using certain apple products over their competitiors? But no, it has to just be the marketing right? Sigh. I use android for my phone (galaxy s6) and an ipad as my tablet, I think the iPad is leagues better than any android tablet (especially in battery life and standby time from my experience) and has far better tablet apps, I also prefer tablet ios to tablet android, and the iPhone is a great and solid piece of hardware that is competitive with the best android phones. The macbooks are easily some of the best laptops you can buy with great battery life and fantastic build quality. I thin kthe apple watch misses the mark personally and doesn't really show great vision or focus for a product like the other new product categories did, it feels more like it was made because it was expected for so long.
Broken Hope
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NFC payments must seem like magic to most people in the US though since aren't tons of them still using swipe and signature?
They are only just starting to get chip and pin as far as I know.
Welp, whatever dude if you want to be blind continue to do so.
What are you doing on the Apple Watch that you couldn't do on an Android watch?
No it's not hard to believe, infact I know there are many people that buy products because the particular product meets their demands and needs.The marketing and popularity are irrelevant to them.
The majority of society are easily manipulated and buy into adverts, marketing, and like to fit in, aspire to have nice things to fit in etc
No one can generalize, of course not every single person on the planet is motivated by the same things. But when it comes to making money businesses don't want to target the minority, they want the majority, you can apply that to everything.
Even music artists, they can either be commercial and be classed as a "sell out", or stay underground and make nowhere near as much money.
……forgetit
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Ever use a moto 360 or the new LG Urbane? That's pretty much Bs and I've tried on most of the current smart watches.
Also the pebble does look like a toy, that we agree on.
The opposite question would be more pertinent as Android Wear watches do more than Apple Watch.
Apple Watch is simply the popular thing to have a this point in time.
We'll agree to disagree, I'm not into arguing with people online.
The reality is you're quite right I don't know the exact reasons why Apple purchased Beats, and I doubt many of us posting on this thread have the inside knowledge and the reasons behind it.
But from my perspective the popularity of the brand in my mind was definitely a factor.
AstroNut325
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Did Apple announce a new iPhone or something? A thread like this has occurred shortly after every Apple product announcement. All the way back to the original iPod.
……forgetit
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I personally don't own any apple products outside of an old iPod touch, but I do see the appeal. There is a definite perk with owning the hardware and OS so you never have to deal with fragmentation that you'll never get anywhere else. I tinker too much though, so their walled garden isn't for me.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
What product range is left to innovate?
I mean.. so far, technically.. the innovations Apple did were to product lines that already existed... iPod = portable radio/walkman... iPhone = cell phone... iPad = Laptop
The TV doesn't exactly scream needing tons of innovation.. .and what innovation that's left is the same thing holding back a lot of things PC/Internet.. bandwidth.
We all carry a device that provides us: maps, internet, weather, e-mail, phone, texts, calender, etc. We don't need another object to carry with us.
Objects we carry with us every day are things that will be huge hits... we don't need another item we carry with us.
as far innovation we need clean power and clean cars ie better batteries and ways to charge them for cheap. That's the next game changer... nothing in portable electronics is left to be completely reinvented.
I mean.. so far, technically.. the innovations Apple did were to product lines that already existed... iPod = portable radio/walkman... iPhone = cell phone... iPad = Laptop
The TV doesn't exactly scream needing tons of innovation.. .and what innovation that's left is the same thing holding back a lot of things PC/Internet.. bandwidth.
We all carry a device that provides us: maps, internet, weather, e-mail, phone, texts, calender, etc. We don't need another object to carry with us.
Objects we carry with us every day are things that will be huge hits... we don't need another item we carry with us.
as far innovation we need clean power and clean cars ie better batteries and ways to charge them for cheap. That's the next game changer... nothing in portable electronics is left to be completely reinvented.
Yep, I mean they are doing better than ever financially and more people are buying their products, but yeah, they are done for. Any day now.
My same thoughts, it feels like they are waiting for markets to get established before jumping in, like smartwatches, for example. Only innovation they seem to be making is the way the rest of the market is responding, making everything thinner and faster, with very minor upgrades between product releases.
You've got to remember that Beats did have a music streaming service before Apple bought them. And it wasn't winning even with all those successful businessmen behind it.
TheSinkingKnight
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T'was just sarcasm on my end lol.
I understand a certain amount of shit Apple gets concerning pricing. It's about design and dependability at the end of the day for me. If I want to buy a Mac, I could build the same computer for far cheaper. Will it run as solidly and for as long? Probably not. In my experience, with the Apple products I have and have had in the past, they just work better, and for longer without issue. I've had Android tablets that crapped out or started functioning poorly, and the iPad 2 I've had for years still runs solidly. The iPad Air has never given me issues and it's my most used electronic product...besides the iPhone 6, which just beats the pants off of any android phone I've used or owned in the past.
I get the status argument to a degree, but I guess I've never felt that way about owning this stuff. I just want solidly built products and I'll pay a little extra for that when I can.
I get the status argument to a degree, but I guess I've never felt that way about owning this stuff. I just want solidly built products and I'll pay a little extra for that when I can.
I honestly can't tell in this thread.
……forgetit
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There will always be a huge flagship market though. What you're describing is what happened in the PC market where a $300 laptop can aervace most people's needs, but apple still sits on it's thrown with it's $1200 netbooks that are weaker than the afformentioned $300 laptops. Like it or not, apple is a name brand electronics maker. Like Gucci is for fashion apple is for tech, and until someone challenges that they'll be sitting pretty.
onken
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Behold "geeky electronic toy" versus "a proper jewelry piece, like a good, expensive 'real' watch"
Anecdote - my colleague at work has the watch on the right and everyday someone says to him "is that the new Apple watch?".
I think they are both ugly as sin, for what it's worth.
Junior Mint
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I'd still rather use an iPhone and Mac over anything on the market right now but their watch is a pretty disappointing product. I remember when everyone said Apple would be the only company to do smartwatches right but what they created was a pretty crap offering. It's ugly as hell with Samsung-esque features like the giant emoticons. Also, taking voice calls and looking at your photos through your watch? These are your use cases? smh.
Also pretty disappointed with the design and ergonomics of the 6/6+. Apple somehow managed to turn premium materials into something that looks so, so cheap.
Also pretty disappointed with the design and ergonomics of the 6/6+. Apple somehow managed to turn premium materials into something that looks so, so cheap.
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