I think the problem with the 3DS's perception concerning if it's a success or failure is Nintendo's insane predictions. Yes, it is disappointing that it's not meeting them, even after they were lowered, but by any other measure (Say, hardware sales) it's doing very well. It's killing it in Japan, and chugging along in the West, and should hopefully get a nice shot in the arm from the huge amount of Nintendo software it's getting this year (And Pokebomb). It's anything but a failure or in any sort of trouble. Now if after all these titles it's still going down YoY, then there is a big problem, but I don't see that happening.
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Iwata to become Nintendo of America CEO, NoA CEO promoted to NCL Managing Director
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Fourth Storm
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The easiest thing to do would have been to add 4 more chips to the underside of the motherboard. That would double the capacity and give the bonus affect of allowing for a 128-bit bus to be utilized. Alas...But I honestly think it's a well balanced system. What was the saying? It "punches above its weight?" I'll go with that.
Is "sometimes" another word for always?
Anyway, If Iwata really cares for the Wii U and getting third party support than he will try to make sure third party's will always have plans for Wii U like PS4/720, no company can ever say their system will have every third party game that will get made but them saying it will get all multiplats is a thing Sony and/or Microsoft can do, Nintendo can't always say "yep, our system will get GTA6, Elder Scrolls 6, Fallout 4, Mirror's Edge 2, etc" like Sony and Microsoft can, and Nintendo needs to work up to that level.
Projectjustice
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Iwata is gonna be considered a savior by the end of this gen. Lots of people are going to be proved wrong.
MrCunningham
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Not that I'm discounting your point (though I'd temper it a bit), but attach rate is still pretty pathetic. There's a lot of missed potential right there.
JordanN
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Didn't he say PS4/720 games look the same as current gen? He's already dead wrong there.
It's fucking astounding that people try to downplay this.
It is the absolute core of why so many people take issue with Iwata these days. It highlights his incompetence.
The smoking gun.
Jaded Alyx
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Super Street Fighter IV is on the 3DS. It's more or less a console port.
Kai Dracon
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No matter what happens, Iwata is sure to get a good laugh out of it.
He said the difference with PS4/720 with Wii U won't be that big, which is true.
The difference isn't nearly as big as PS3/360 to Wii, there will still be a difference though of course.
Fourth Storm
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JordanN
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Runs on an engine better than the Wii. Which is actually ironic.
Really? Because PSP got Tekken 6, and it wasn't a crappy phone game but actually a good version of Tekken 6. 3DS got a gameplay-perfect SSFIV. PSP also got a proper SoulCalibur.
I think Classic Controller not being included with every Wii played a role too.
We have no idea.
We don't know what the previous guy was doing (most didn't even know he existed) and we're not sure if this means increased communication between NOA and NCL or this just more of the same or Iwata clamping down with more oversight.
well i remember the wii getting way better support than the gamecube. the wii u doesn't even have much support from nintendo.
SlipperySlope
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I don't know what to think of this.
+ Iwata taking more NoA interests in mind with the direct connection with Reggie, and no middle man between them.
- Reggie may have been gunning for that position. Think Kevin Spacy in Horrible Bosses. Possibility of Reggie being sour and resigning because of this.
+ Iwata taking more NoA interests in mind with the direct connection with Reggie, and no middle man between them.
- Reggie may have been gunning for that position. Think Kevin Spacy in Horrible Bosses. Possibility of Reggie being sour and resigning because of this.
My only point is that Wii could have handled SF, Tekken, SC and KOF and it didn't happen anyway.
I don't remember that at all.
There were more multiplatform games on the GCN than the Wii.
Unless you're talking solely about first-party support.
I don't think real life works like a comedy film.
Jaded Alyx
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Conversely, I'm fairly sure the Wii got far more third party exclusives than the Cube.
Iwata is as naive as ever. Nothing has changed since he expressed his thoughts about Wii back in GDC 2005 during his keynote speech. He makes some good points about the issues of increasingly high development costs, but ultimately, third parties 9especially from the west) have continued to be alienated by Nintendo's way of doing business.
JordanN
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So could the N64 if every game got built from the ground up. But the dilemma for this is huge (extra resources, late port, ugly graphics).
SlipperySlope
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I didn't insinuate it does. I'm just matching situations. If Reggie wanted that position, and the guy a few notches above him assumes that position in an expansion of his role, Reggie could be left frustrated.
Is that confusing.... ?!
I think that may be true, but I don't think it was enough to say it was "better supported" than the GCN overall.
And even if that was the barometer for saying that third-parties supported the Wii more than the GCN, I don't think pure quantity argument really conveys the situation, when a lot of those exclusives were filled with B-team test games (RE rail shooters for example) or half-assed attempts at spin-offs (the Soul Calibur game, the Castlevania fighting game).
I'm assuming Reggie's a lot more professional than that and probably realizes he's as high up as he's ever going to be, considering his skill set and the Japanese management.
Freezie KO
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Translation: Well, we're not as underpowered this time. But we still had to spend tons of cash on this GamePad that we don't even have a compelling game idea for, so don't expect us to compete on that level.
All he is saying is that the differences wont be as large as Wii, which they arent. The featureset isnt that different.
Programmable shaders, dx11 level featureset, shader model 4, similiar architecture to the rumored next xbox specs, all around modern features.
When it comes to raw computing power there is still a huge difference, but even there its smaller than 360 to wii.
JordanN
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Was this ever confirmed? All the previous leaks made it clear it was DX 10.1 level only.
Well, Street Fighter IV made it to PS3, 360, 3DS, PC and iOS if you count that. It was hardly kept only on similar systems. I really think the lack of a potential market was the defining factor in this case.
I agree that software sales are a problem that the 3DS has, but apart from releasing all the quality titles and then and doing deals (Like the recent Buy 3 Get 1 free NoE have going), I don't see how Nintendo can really do much about it. I also think prives are too high on both the software and hardware, but considering their current position, I can see why Nintendo would be wary in lowering them (Although software NEEDS to go down, the price is just too high in this post iOS world).
Ask Fourth Storm
Nobody has studied thing more than he has: Anyway the difference between 10.1 and 11 are not that significant:
Fourth Storm
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He seems to boil the hardware disparity down to HD vs SD visuals. It's not that at all.
JordanN
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Even if there was a market, the hurdles needed to get there make it a fruitless endeavor.
iOS and 3DS serve the portability factor. 360/PS3/PC are close enough to share the similar experience. What does that make Wii? A dead weight that costs extra money.
Yeah, I think software prices are really killing the attach rate too.
$40 isn't sustainable, except for maybe a few high profile "prestige" titles.
I don't think Nintendo's corporate hierarchy works the way that you are describing it. Nintendo development operations overwhelming occur in Japan. NoA is more of marketing/localization entity. My understanding is that Reggie is already essentially in charge of those elements.
Fourth Storm
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Ask Fourth Storm
Anyway the difference between 10.1 and 11 are not that significant:
Haha. Sadly, it is somewhat impossible to gain an idea of featureset from die photos. From devs, we've heard everything from DX10 (Unity slide) to DX10.1 with certain enhancements. I would bet on the latter.
mentalfloss
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What smoking gun?
He's absolutely right.
The next gen games we've seen just aren't that much different from current gen games. Like he said, there are some of us who are very sensitive to this 'small difference' but otherwise, they're generally the same games.
Look at Killzone for example - it's nice, but no one outside of the tech fetishist community is really going to care for it.
No one outside the 'tech fetishist community' and y'know THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.
Thunder Monkey
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I don't get it myself.
That era of Nintendo, now called "Panic Mode" brought about some of the worst iterations in their biggest series. Mario Kart was rushed to release and slow in speed. Sunshine had one of the worst cameras in the series and no thematic differences between stage. Wind Waker was missing dungeons and padded the game with irritating fluff.
Melee, Pikmin, and Prime were the consoles premiere titles. And only one of them had great sales potential. And if you ask Ani one of them is just crap in a pretty shell.
In this case, it's not only making a beefier system but also one that has a similar structure to the others, right? I would have aimed for something more PC-like, then, so the "Wii" version would have been pretty much the PC version at lowest settings.
Based on what? Hopes and dreams?
Not only is there a very visible difference in quality between launch PS4 games and even the best PS3 titles to anyone not choosing to be completely delusional, but this is the same argument we have at the beginning of every damn gen.
And then within a year everyone is eating their words.
It was still better than the Wii trash they put out.
Screamapillar
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I think what this might mean, and hopefully what ends up happening, is that what NCL does, NoA does. Instead of this: NCL does something, NoA sometimes does the same thing, but it takes forever before it happens, if it even does happen at all.
What I think this means is: Global Nintendo Directs without a lot of significant region-only announcements or products. There are exceptions, obviously, things like Tomadachi and Giftpia probably don't appeal to Western audiences, and vice versa, 3D Metroid games for example don't appeal to Japanese audiences. Overall though, I expect more uniformity in product launches and announcements.
I think this also makes E3 more significant for them. If Iwata is now also CEO of NoA, he now has far more direct control over NoA-specific trade shows and expos like E3.
This can only be a good thing. Not merely because of the person (Iwata) that is assuming the role, but because NCL and NoA will now be more unified and work closer together than ever before.
It's a net benefit to fans.
What I think this means is: Global Nintendo Directs without a lot of significant region-only announcements or products. There are exceptions, obviously, things like Tomadachi and Giftpia probably don't appeal to Western audiences, and vice versa, 3D Metroid games for example don't appeal to Japanese audiences. Overall though, I expect more uniformity in product launches and announcements.
I think this also makes E3 more significant for them. If Iwata is now also CEO of NoA, he now has far more direct control over NoA-specific trade shows and expos like E3.
This can only be a good thing. Not merely because of the person (Iwata) that is assuming the role, but because NCL and NoA will now be more unified and work closer together than ever before.
It's a net benefit to fans.
People call Microsoft and (before the ps4 lovefest) Sony arrogant but this guy has been just as, if not more, arrogant than anyone from either of those companies.
Not by any metric, including sales and critically (outside of Metroid Prime of course)
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