• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

James Bond 23 - SKYFALL (Javier Bardem CONFIRMED as Bond villain!)

Status
Not open for further replies.
B

Busty

Banned
Solo said:
They've got Sam Mendes, and if they decide to buid off what Morgan did, then they've at least got a treatment ready to be turned into a script.
Click to expand...

Mendes (as far as I know) still isn't officially signed to direct. If he has room in his schedule and he's still interested in directing then it should come together quickly enough.

But as of now they DO NOT have a director. It's my understanding that Mendes isn't even 'attached' (which is a legal contract by the way) to the project.

Solo said:
...and if they decide to buid off what Morgan did, then they've at least got a treatment ready to be turned into a script.
Click to expand...

Six months simply isn't enough time to get a script that everyone will be happy with.

At this point, with no script it's impossible to be shooting by next summer.

Totally impossible.
 
S

Solo

Member
Busty said:
Six months simply isn't enough time to get a script that everyone will be happy with.

At this point, with no script it's impossible to be shooting by next summer.

Totally impossible.
Click to expand...

Lets just wait and see then, shall we? I'll be the first in the crow-eating line if the movie doesn't make 2012. I think the biggest thing going in favor of getting this movie out ASAP is MGM's need to start earning, like, yesterday.
 
B

Busty

Banned
Solo said:
Lets just wait and see then, shall we? I'll be the first in the crow-eating line if the movie doesn't make 2012. I think the biggest thing going in favor of getting this movie out ASAP is MGM's need to start earning, like, yesterday.
Click to expand...

I said that 2012 was tight, but not impossible.

You said ....

Solo said:
And the movie will be into principal photography next summer, way before January 2012. I bet cameras will be rolling in June or July 2011.
Click to expand...

...that is virtuallly impossible.
 
S

Solo

Member
Busty said:
...that is virtuallly impossible.
Click to expand...

I hate to keep this going, but is it really impossible? MGM has entered their pre-packaged bankruptcy finally. Sometime in early December they will emerge from that. I would be hard pressed to believe that, knowing that, EON isn't already looking for a new writer. They could potentially have a draft by the end of the calender year. And while it seems crazy to go from draft to location scouting to casting to filming in 6 months, thats exactly what happened on the last film. Olga Kurylenko was the female lead and she wasn't cast until X-mas Eve 2007, less than 2 weeks before principal photography commenced.
 
S

Solo

Member
Well, you've convinced me, despite the fact that I just told you QoS followed the same path.

Anyways, I don't care if it shoots in summer or fall 2011, or January 2012 - what I care about is a Nov. 2012 release. Shoot it on weekends in my backyard if you like, EON.
 
B

Busty

Banned
Solo said:
Anyways, I don't care if it shoots in summer or fall 2011, or January 2012 - what I care about is a Nov. 2012 release. Shoot it on weekends in my backyard if you like, EON.
Click to expand...

Like I said, if they start development/pre-production today a November 2011 start seems plausible.

Solo said:
Well, you've convinced me, despite the fact that I just told you QoS followed the same path.
Click to expand...

No it didn't. IIRC they had an early draft from Wade and Purviss which was the backbone of the film's development. No one liked it, but they had an early draft.

At this point Bond 23 has nothing. We're lead to believe that at most it's a loose treatment, a few pages of A4 stapled together. That's a world of difference.

The only film I ever heard of with such a rushed schedule was Lethal Weapon 4.

You decide how that turned out.
 
S

Solo

Member
Busty said:
Like I said, if they start development/pre-production today a November 2011 start seems plausible.
Click to expand...

Casino Royale and Quantum both commenced principal photography in January (2006 and 2008) and hit theatres in November of that same year, so as long as the same happens by January 2012, we're laughing.
 
S

Solo

Member
MGM will be out of bankruptcy on December 2. Expect EON to start stoking the Bond fires very soon after. 2012 will be no problem.
 
R

Rich!

Member
doctordoak said:
Can we now resume the Bond blu-ray releases MGM....please?!
Click to expand...

YES!

I find it a travesty that they released Die Another Day on Blu Ray but not Goldeneye. And why weren't either of the Dalton films released? Goddamnit. I want the Living Daylights in HD.
 
S

Solo

Member
Problem is, by the time they start with BD releases again, Id wager they wont pick up where they left off, but rather start again with new packaging/sets. So people who've bought the first couple sets might be shit outta luck.

Just a hunch though, not based on anything.
 
B

BertramCooper

Banned
I can't justify getting any Bond Blu-Rays. I just bought the ultimate DVD sets a couple years ago and spent a boatload on them. The quality is still excellent and looks great upscaled, so no double dipping on Bond Blu-Rays for the foreseeable future.
 
R

RustyNails

Member
Solo said:
MGM will be out of bankruptcy on December 2. Expect EON to start stoking the Bond fires very soon after. 2012 will be no problem.
Click to expand...

Do they have Bond 23 script ready? I think they better start pre-production by December.
 
G

Grisby

Member
Just got through watching QOS again the other day along with Goldeneye. Great movies and QOS has one of the best openings ever, love the style and the music.

It's actually been quite the bond month as I just finished Blood Stone too on the 360 and picked up the new Goldeneye on Wii.:D
 
R

Rich!

Member
Solo said:
Problem is, by the time they start with BD releases again, Id wager they wont pick up where they left off, but rather start again with new packaging/sets. So people who've bought the first couple sets might be shit outta luck.

Just a hunch though, not based on anything.
Click to expand...

I've only got Dr No and FRWL though. I'm safe.

BertramCooper said:
I can't justify getting any Bond Blu-Rays. I just bought the ultimate DVD sets a couple years ago and spent a boatload on them. The quality is still excellent and looks great upscaled, so no double dipping on Bond Blu-Rays for the foreseeable future.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I've still got the original DVD set...quality isn't brilliant. The entire set of ultimate editions is only £57 on amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00307RT86/

Absolute bargain. Works out at £2.63 a film. Might get it, but I will want to upgrade to all the Blu Rays when they finally appear. Hm.
 
S

Solo

Member
BertramCooper said:
I can't justify getting any Bond Blu-Rays. I just bought the ultimate DVD sets a couple years ago and spent a boatload on them. The quality is still excellent and looks great upscaled, so no double dipping on Bond Blu-Rays for the foreseeable future.
Click to expand...

Ive got Bond 1-19 on VHS, the 2003 SE's for Bond 1-20, and the 2006 UE's for Bond 1-20. So obviously I have no qualms about buying Bond, but the reason I haven't lept at the BDs yet is because Im waiting for the 22 film box set rather than these piecemeal 3 movie releases.
 
A

Anasui Kishibe

Banned
BertramCooper said:
I can't justify getting any Bond Blu-Rays. I just bought the ultimate DVD sets a couple years ago and spent a boatload on them. The quality is still excellent and looks great upscaled, so no double dipping on Bond Blu-Rays for the foreseeable future.
Click to expand...


I'm glad I passed on that set when I first heard of blurays, but I was this close to buying it
 
S

Sanjuro

Member
9u21p.jpg


Holy shit! It's coming out this month! :lol

Thanks Nolan.
 
C

Chris R

Member
Any chance of this being more like old school Bond or has that ship sailed forever in favor of Bourneish Bond movies?
 
S

Solo

Member
rhfb said:
Any chance of this being more like old school Bond or has that ship sailed forever in favor of Borneish Bond movies?
Click to expand...

Bond movies are always a sign of the times. Right now that is the style de-jour. Whatever is popular in 10 years, Bond will be that.
 
A

Anasui Kishibe

Banned
rhfb said:
Any chance of this being more like old school Bond or has that ship sailed forever in favor of Borneish Bond movies?
Click to expand...


no way, chap. They found a goldmine, they'll keep bleedin' diggin. With lack of Bourne, Bond will fill the frenzy action gap

not that I'm complaining. All I'm asking is more CR and less QOS awful shit
 
D

Discotheque

Banned
The only thing memorable about QOS was that jacket Craig wore in the promo pics (and in the desert?). He looked mean as fuck in that getup.
 
A

Anasui Kishibe

Banned
Discotheque said:
The only thing memorable about QOS was that jacket Craig wore in the promo pics (and in the desert?). He looked mean as fuck in that getup.
Click to expand...

eh, I kinda liked the prologue. You know, they made it look like it could've been a decent movie
 
D

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I rewatched Quantum of Solace last week. I swear a lot of people don't even try to understand the action sequences in this or Bourne movies. It's really not that bad. Or maybe you all sit really close to the screen and can't properly grasp the images you're seeing anyway.

The construction site fight is sort of a mess, but I don't think the idea behind it was great either. It's so chaotic and constructed that I wouldn't care no matter how it was shot, though the shooting doesn't help there. The only other scene that bothers me significantly is when the firefight breaks out at the opera. That's genuinely poorly staged and hard to figure out where those shooters are. There's just zero sense of space in that moment, which is a damned shame because the leadup with everything else at the opera is fantastic.

The script's not perfect and a couple action sequences are bungled, but overall there's way more good than bad.
 
D

DMczaf

Member
Besides the Opera scene, QoS is a forgettable epilogue to Casino Royale. It could have been told in a 30-45 min mini movie without the shitty villain and his unibrow lackey.
 
S

Sanjuro

Member
Solo said:
For reference, both of Craig's movies best all of Brosnan's movies.
Click to expand...
I like Goldeneye, but mostly for the supporting cast. I really need to watch QoS again. I just remember leaving the theater not impressed nor disappointed.
 
D

DMczaf

Member
Instead of locking Craig into a multi-picture deal, they should have locked Martin Campbell. Oh well, we gotta wait another 5 years for his 3rd reboot!
 
S

Solo

Member
Anasui Kishibe said:
ok, I don't want to argue, different views and all, but I'm curious, what does exactly make it a great Bond movie?
Click to expand...

Its the truest representation of the Bond character as Fleming wrote him yet. All the characteristics that are part of the character that had been pretty much ignored pre-Craig are there: the self-loathing, the self-medication, the regret. Craig's movies are actually showing us what makes Bond act like he does. There are reasons why he is so cold and so glib and why he is so guarded.

The film itself is slick as hell in all the right ways, and people who complain about the plot jumping around quite simply didn't pay much attention. Its very minimalist and subtle with a lot of the info, but its all in there. Forster might not have taken the right path for the editing of his action sequences, but he injected the movie with a lot of unique shots that you won't see anything like in the rest of the films. Quantum's goal is so basic and believable that it works, Greene is a great villain that doesn't need to rely on moustache-twirling, and I enjoyed the platonic relationship and shared trauma between Bond and Camille.
 
D

Discotheque

Banned
Solo said:
For reference, both of Craig's movies best all of Brosnan's movies.
Click to expand...


Eeew wtf. Goldeneye shits all over QOS. It's all about Royale and Goldeneye from the last two bonds so far (though Craig is infinitely better than Brosnan as Bond)
 
A

Anasui Kishibe

Banned
Solo said:
Its the truest representation of the Bond character as Fleming wrote him yet. All the characteristics that are part of the character that had been pretty much ignored pre-Craig are there: the self-loathing, the self-medication, the regret. Craig's movies are actually showing us what makes Bond act like he does. There are reasons why he is so cold and so glib and why he is so guarded.

The film itself is slick as hell in all the right ways, and people who complain about the plot jumping around quite simply didn't pay much attention. Its very minimalist and subtle with a lot of the info, but its all in there. Forster might not have taken the right path for the editing of his action sequences, but he injected the movie with a lot of unique shots that you won't see anything like in the rest of the films. Quantum's goal is so basic and believable that it works, Greene is a great villain that doesn't need to rely on moustache-twirling, and I enjoyed the platonic relationship and shared trauma between Bond and Camille.
Click to expand...


I see, thanks for the reply.
 
S

Solo

Member
Also, brass tacks here on why its really unfair to have expected QoS to have been CR2.

CR had:
- fantastic source material
- lots of time to get fine tuned
- Paul Haggis to refine Purvis and Wade's work

going for it, while QoS was:
- working off absolutely no source material
- rushed to beat the 2007/2008 WGA Strike
- going through extensive re-writes daily on-site

And despite that, QoS is still great. The films are just two completely different beasts is all. Martin Campbell is a blockbuster director with tons of experience making these kind of films, while Marc Forster is an arthouse director who got his feet wet.
 
S

Solo

Member
Final thoughts: if Marc Forster directed Casino Royale, it would still be a great movie (although the construction parkour scene would have dropped from "best action sequence of the decade" to "an action sequence"). If Martin Campbell directed QoS, Im not sure it would have been as good as it is.

DMczaf said:
I wonder if there were Brosnan fans in this much denial after Tomorrow Never Dies.
Click to expand...

I didn't dislike Brosnan's Bond too much (at least not to the extent I do now) circa 1997, and that movie always sucked.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

[IndieWire] As Francis Ford Coppola Seeks ‘Megalopolis’ Distribution, ‘Everything Is on the Table’
21
2K
Jinzo Prime replied
Amazon Buys MGM, Studio Behind James Bond, for $8.45 Billion
2
64
4K
Forsete replied
The Decomposition of Rotten Tomatoes - Vulture
News Business 2
50
4K
TaylorSwiftFan replied
New ‘Lord of the Rings’ Movies in the Works at Warners, New Line
News 2 3 4
151
9K
NecrosaroIII replied
Ahead of a new Studio Ghibli film, critics are asking 'How will we live without Hayao Miyazaki?'
23
3K
Patrick S. replied
Top Bottom