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Jeremy Corbyn won't quit even if Labour loses the election
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Posts like this are why Brexit and Trump happened
Air Zombie Meat
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We're at the point where Conservatives can defend themselves simply by pointing at Corbyn. He's been a gift to them.
WhateverItTakes
Banned
Hey guess how you win?
itsbenoclock
Member
I'll be voting Labour and I generally like Corbyn, but he's not gonna win an election with the majority. As other have said 'low-information' voters make up the majority of voters, keeping your ideals central to your close bubble is a recipe for disappointment. I learned this for myself when Brexit happened, I thought since all my circles were voting remain it would be ok, except my circles are all middle-class liberal students.
Thats why i hope it's happens a new working class party.
This only works if people let it. And why do they let it? Genuine question here: without the neo-liberal coup attempt within the Labour ranks and the constant attacks in the media, what kind of opinions would the 'low-information' general populace hold then? I'd venture a guess it would be something different. And if that's the case, isn't that outrageous?
Nobody should be giving the government a free pass on the last 7 years based on their misgivings of one 70 year old man. Especially when the personalities leading the conservatives leave so much to be distrusting and sceptical about.
Huw_Dawson
Member
The best thing about Jezzer Corbs is how real and unscripted he is.
It makes sense he likes soap operas.
He deals with the Parliamentary Labour Party.
UpDownLeftRight
Banned
Thanks for all the replies there guys. I'm actually a bit surprised. I figured someone would have a real side to fight for Tories at least, but if I'm reading right it's largely down to having shit options all over. The only point I'd contend is May positioning herself as one of the people. Perhaps it's just me but she feels like less one of the people than Cameron and that's saying something. She pretty much personifies the rich elite to me.
It's still very much confusing to me that it's about to be a landslide against our own interests, but I guess I'm not the only one confused by it at least.
It's still very much confusing to me that it's about to be a landslide against our own interests, but I guess I'm not the only one confused by it at least.
"deals with" is a very generous definition of what he's doing to the PLP haha
gutter_trash
Banned
20 years of Tory rule.
Thanks Corbyn
Thanks Corbyn
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The media likes the incumbent government that has always happened. Especially now so that it's a conservative government and those that own the papers align heavily with them. Corbyn was always going to be ragged on by the media it's a fact of life in current british politics thus it's a pointless hypothetical. They dragged Ed through because he was nerdy unable to take pictures or eat a sandwich. That's freaking nothing and yet they turned it into something
Theresa May genuinely looks like a sinister cartoon villain by default in pics and video. That's genuinely how she looks. She's set to win by a landslide because the media is on her side.
WhateverItTakes
Banned
Media has an iron grip on this country, and it's pretty much impossible to shake a reputation. Nick Clegg caused tuition fees. Ed Miliband was a weirdo who couldn't eat a sandwich. Corbyn is a socialist who is a living shambles.
His handling of the PLP has not helped matters at all. Even if the game is rigged he's gotta make a case for himself, and to the wider public, he just hasn't succeeded. The masses don't clamour to him, the politically minded treat him as a punchline. It's just impossible to see him succeed. And sure that's because all the shit flinging was designed to make me see him that way but a politician is meant to learn to dodge.
It can't be. Labour now third most popular party among working-class voters, poll finds
That's a big part of the problem you have across the western world- that group isn't voting in the same patterns it used to. This is why you see the Dems fighting between going after the "WWC" vs appealing to suburbs in the US. The former is where they used to be heavily based, but in a world that's no longer a a manufacturing economy but instead is a service economy, that heavily organized manual labor base simply no longer exists. (Here's an article on the collapse of union power in WV, though the author chooses to completely ignore what he's being told and come to his own way too rosy conclusion, the first comment puts him on blast for it.) The Dems have always been a coalition of various interests, so although the fighting is nasty, the party can and will adapt. With Labour, though, that "worker's party" thing is baked into the core.
Tories are the working class party
Air Zombie Meat
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Unfortunately he's done a terrible job at fending off attacks. He's so bad with the media that people don't have a clue where he stands on important issues and he projects the image of incompetence. I'm not happy about it either but the damage has been done and I don't see a way back. There was a time he could have turned things round but he didn't. It's too late.
But she's a vicars daughter! One of the people! Strong and stable vicars daughter Brexit means Brexit strong and stable
Rumblebones
Banned
Whether you like Corbyn or not just vote fucking Labour.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
I joined the party just because of him and was forced to pay a further £25 just to vote for him. I want him to stay even if Labour gets destroyed in the election because I think long term.
QuicheFontaine
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If they put as much energy into actually... opposing the government as the did undermining Corbyn's leadership, they'd likely not be in the mess they are now too.
They wasn't lib dems they was spit off from liberal party back then
Long term for what?
Jezbollah
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history always repeats itself
This was the last time a winner of a GE won by more than 50%..
Ravensmash
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Avoiding a 100+ majority for the Conservatives which will leave the government with virtually no opposition?
Tranqueris
Banned
Didn't this guy have to go into semi hiding the last time they tried to get him to quit?
"Oh god but if this one guy manages to talk to him, he might be able to get him to quit!"
"Oh god but if this one guy manages to talk to him, he might be able to get him to quit!"
This would also be a great slogan. You guys should form a marketing team.
Username checks out.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Yup, this was pretty much what killed the Liberal Party, at least until Jo Grimond and the Orpington by-election.
Corbyn is playing 4d chess. Win no seats, give the Tories 527 seats in Parliament, complain about a lack of representation, lead a strike...(steps redacted)...Marxist utopia
I'm glad Corbyn will defy the expected pattern of quitting if Labour lose, given that those manipulative shits in the PLP started leaking the "Ed's got to go" narrative to the press about halfway through the night of the last GE. I wasn't Miliband's biggest fan but having your own party starting to publicly stab you in the back during an election defeat must've been galling.
Finally.
HEIGHTEN THE CONTRADICTION
JonathanEx
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Alright, let's work this through. Let's say this happens - a Labour defeat, up to 100+ conservative majority. Corbyn stays on. I'm curious as to what your long term thoughts are from there.
At some point - he has to turn things around, surely? Or is there a different long term goal? How do they do that, and if it's stuff that they've been talking about before - what would be different now?
And if the long term goal is shifting the political debate... how does having fewer MPs on the left (even if you may disagree with how left they are) help?
chromatic9
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Wenger and Corbyn will have their day, just you wait
for another big bang
plagiarize
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Nah. Whether you like Corbyn or not just vote for whichever party is most popular in your area other than the tories (and the racist shits), whether that's Labour, Lib Dem or the goddamn greens.
A 172-40 no-confidence vote is not a "backstab." It's a normal expression of displeasure w/ leadership that normally results in a resignation. The reason resignation wasn't mandatory is because when they came up w/ the rules, no one ever thought someone would be insane enough to stay on!
RedSparrows
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In Corbyn land, everyone is a neo liberal. Yawn.
Isn't it just standard practice in these parts that if you lose an election disappointingly you resign as party leader? When was the last time a non-governing party leader lost seats and didn't resign?
Statue of Limitation
Member
3 pages, not a single criticism of Corbyn other than "he's a bad leader"
Dance to the tune they play for you
Dance to the tune they play for you
plagiarize
Banned
Last week?
We can judge him based on his 'results' and his inability to win over the party.
Jezbollah
Member
I think it was Neil Kinnock (Labour) - lost to Thatcher in 1987 and then John Major in 1992.
Who was the last politician to state that they'd resign if they lost a forthcoming vote?
plagiarize
Banned
Heh, you know what I meant- in a GE.
Yes. I did know what you meant, but I couldn't help but seize on that comment since you didn't specify.
But Labour gained seats in both of those elections according to my cursory check on Wikipedia.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
edit: scratch that seems like it wasn't a disappointing loss anyway.
Royal_Phalanx
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Conservatives are the natural governing party of the UK, sadly enough.
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