Does anyone know what video this is in? I'm going back to look for it, and also see who else was a part of that particular episode. I know Jesse Cox was a part of it, but Maker is so far-reaching that they have everyone from Jim Sterling to Angry Joe to Total Biscuit and Dodger.
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JonTron (youtuber) speaks against demographic "invasion" of America by nonwhites
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Does anyone know what video this is in? I'm going back to look for it, and also see who else was a part of that particular episode. I know Jesse Cox was a part of it, but Maker is so far-reaching that they have everyone from Jim Sterling to Angry Joe to Total Biscuit and Dodger.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Yeah, poorly argued racism is still racism
umm what? Walt was definitively not a Nazi. Thinking everyone that has antisemitic views is a Nazi is dangerous because you are saying nobody but nazis can be antisemite which is not true at all lol
kamineko
Does his best thinking in the flying car
Racism is the Chinese finger trap of social justice
The only way to win is to stop fighting
or something
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Yet here you are, burning up that keyboard with long-form posts
The only way to win is to stop fighting
or something
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Yet here you are, burning up that keyboard with long-form posts
We have those in Europe too!
Check out this guy:
He's a member of a far-right, anti-immigration party (True Finns) in Finland, he's running for municipal elections and he's already been dubbed "The Black Hitler". (I'm not joking).
Huh, I wonder why.
One side may view other humans as lesser due to their skin colour, but the other side thinks you're a shitty person for holding those views. Obviously both sides are as bad as each other, the left just can't handle different opinions.
CalmHitler.jpg is going to get a lot of use over the next few years.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
WOW at some of the responses here.
If only we had just ignored Auschwitz, it would have magically disappeared! Why did the mean old US army have to fight against the Nazis, or even acknowledge them for that matter!
If only we had just ignored Auschwitz, it would have magically disappeared! Why did the mean old US army have to fight against the Nazis, or even acknowledge them for that matter!
We or you?
Stead Fast
Banned
Valid point, but none of mine heard of Breibart until recently, and more than a few (UK here) knew nothing of Trump until the GOP primaries. Ignoring them doesn't help highlight their bigotry, no matter how high or low they are in terms of public awareness.
This is a fallacy. This is the same logic rightwing people use: "He is liberal and pro immigration. Therefore he has to support crime or even rape by immigrants".
It is okay that you and many others here have a differing opinion on how to handle the racism problem. But it is -not- okay to suggest that people have a different opinion surely have to be racist. TB has the opinion that a private talk will do more good than public shaming. Surely he is a racist then? Also, can we stop ad hominem? I thought we were here to share and discuss ideas, not people.
No, we shouldn't. Because millions of kids watch him and absorb all this shit.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
They live in constant fear of Native Americans and black people exposing their lies on western civilization.
Jon is a part of the gaming community whether we want to admit it or not. We can't allow his toxic trash to fester in this community that is already toxic enough.
Edit: Maybe add the /s if it was suppose to be sarcasm. It's getting pretty hard to spot sarcasm in this serious discussion.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Terrible post
Gotdatmoney
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Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
I feel like people are confusing "poorly argued" with "abhorent ideas clearly outlined, with multiple layers rationalizing support of that original idea."
Saying "poorly argued" leaves room to imply the message just got garbled, or that there was an idea of merit that was mischaracterized. That's not what this was. This was more than an hour of discussion to clarify and illustrate the concerns he brought up in an earlier social media post.
This represents a basically point-by-point paraphrasing of Jontron's points:
This is not an exagerration.
Saying "poorly argued" leaves room to imply the message just got garbled, or that there was an idea of merit that was mischaracterized. That's not what this was. This was more than an hour of discussion to clarify and illustrate the concerns he brought up in an earlier social media post.
This represents a basically point-by-point paraphrasing of Jontron's points:
This is not an exagerration.
Stead Fast
Banned
Fair play, but considering the sub topic on here about separating art from artist that has been around the last few pages, you'll have to forgive me believing that you were earnest.
TB spent more time attacking a third party messenger then actually addressing JonTrons views.
He even spent time saying "Why should we care since JonTron is just a youtuber?"
or just calling Jontron "mi-informed"
As if his hour long verbal diarrhea of racist and vile beliefs are not his own fault.
Glass Shark
Banned
YouTubers like JonTron and PewDiePie are extremely popular among impressionable young kids. Allowing people like this to have hateful platforms completely unchecked is not a good thing. I don't know how anyone can look at this and just say, "Oh, he's just being wacky JonTron again!" It's far from innocuous.
Lanrutcon
Member
Like, seriously. If he was some hobo shouting at an alley wall I would pity him, but he's got millions of viewers. Prime position to spread the stupid.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Sorry, it's hard to tell. Especially in this thread with all the weird hot takes we've had
What is "white" though? It you open a Webster dictionary from the 1800s a Caucasian is a black person with slightly different phenotypes than an African and "whites" are "Europeans" and "Artic" men.
Gotdatmoney
Member
People are not assuming JonTron is racist because he has a different opinion. They are saying he is racist because we listened to 80 munutes of him spewing racism. He implied he didnt want to dilute the white gene pool. You fucking serious brah?
And total biscuit can shut up. The debate wasn't about changing JonTron's mind, it was about seeing who could actually support a position.
He spent all this time bashing a media source opposed to addressing the actual topic because he doesn't want that to be the discussion. If that isn't racism (it isnt for reference) it's certainly downplaying it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
So you're baiting and not sure what a Nazi is? Yeah, you can troll somewhere else.
I got the sarcasm as soon as I read your post, but it's easy to see how someone could take it literally, because sadly it isn't such a rare opinion nowadays.
I was going to reply "None of my coworkers are even American, so you guys should stop worrying about this!" to take your sarcasm to an even more absurd level, but you've been misunderstood many times already, so it wouldn't have been relevant anymore.
FinalStageBoss
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Cant believe ppl in here defending this racist piece of shit.
There's a defender force for everything at GAF
megaStryke
Banned
My calm, measured response to JonTron's meltdown:
And there are people thinking gaf is a hivemind lol
Seriously?
: / I gotta admit I've been shying away from hearing exactly what he had to say (due to the whole ignore a celebs political view thing I've been saying) but are you certain you're not being hyperbolic?
He's Iranian isn't he?
Gotta admit, that's pretty cray what he's saying.
Hm
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
I guess 2017 has taught me that racism is "just a different opinion."
Triggerhappytel
Member
That's a good summary of what he was trying to say. I like his implication that black people are predisposed towards crime and their social or economic status has no bearing on this; it's all genetic because black Africans commit crime too! He just sounds like an ignorant and impressionable moron with dangerous views and an incapability to explain these views other than suggesting white people are genetically superior.
I did not refer to jon tron. It was about the quoted users suggesting that other users here have to be racist if they have a different opinion about handling racism.
Who?
I'm just saying to ignore it because celebrity points of view are laughable and shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm not defending his views at all.
There's a matching statement for every element of that paragraph, and I didn't need to artificially "connect the dots" where there's reasoning between them. It was the original intent.
Respectfully, watch the video if you're going to spend your time policing other people's reactions to a situation. I know it's not short, which is part of the point.
Triggerhappytel
Member
From your last post it seems like you haven't even watched the video?! Maybe you should listen to what he has to say before trying to dismiss his comments...?
Sometimes giving the alt right a platform actually does work.
Key word is "sometimes"
1) Anecdotal evidence will always be far less valuable than actual, real-world evidence. I think you underestimate the reach of people like this. Your and your co-workers don't fall into the main demographic of their target audience.
2) Your argument of, "it's only 3 million people,' is incredibly ignorant. People like Jon are spreading a message of hate to their followers, many of which are impressionable young people, who will one day grow up believing that what they heard from the ones they follow are accurate world views to hold.
3) Is it not possible that people like The Amazing Atheist turned their audience onto Dawkins and Hitchens? Do you not think that The Amazing Atheist made content that was more palatable for a younger audience to understand?
4) Your disrespect for the positions held by those that spread this message is almost as dangerous as the spread of the hate itself. Complacency is a detriment to progress
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
So you didn't even watch the video or read a summary of what he said before you rushed in here to defend him? Not surprised in the least.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Different opinion on handling racism is what? Use kid gloves while someone is proposing dark skin people don't dilute the gene people?
I won't call those people racist. But they are naive as fuck.
A D list celebrity is our president.
In America, a celebrity (with very similar views) was just elected President. And not the first time, either.
Celebrity POVs are like many POVs, but the platform and outreach they have is far greater than you or I. Rhetoric like this is dangerous.
ScientificPizza
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Stead Fast
Banned
I'll keep this brief since a few are already responding to this quote, but if you didn't indulge the topic by at least following the subject matter (listening to the JT/Destiny discussion), nor do you believe in following e-drama, what was the point of commenting on here?
CannonFodder52
Member
I dunno man, I see a lot of pol outside of the internet. Noteworthy that I live in Canada too,
Two people at my rather small workplace use pol and are constantly spouting insane racist stuff. A girl I know broke up with her bf because he was calling her a degenerate due to smoking weed or something. I asked if he if he watches Sargon/reads pol, She said yes to both. As well one of my "internet friends" over the last year went from leaning liberal to complete global elite, gene pool, women hate, caricature. I also blame that on pol and him being dumb and easily influenced.
There's a
FIREKNIGHT2029
Member
Guys relax, JonTron is a racist but the only way to deal with racists is to calmly debate with them and share opinions. I believe that if both sides explain to each other why they believe their side is right we can all come to a mutual understanding. Calling him a racist or bigot won't change his views, and forming an angry mob will only make him more defensive and double down on his beliefs. Both sides need to calm down.
XD Am I doing it right guys? Jesus, I can't believe the "both sides" bullshit I am seeing in this thread. What happened to calling out racism for what it is and rejecting it? What is all this crap about trying to make them see things from our point of view? Racists like him are idiots and should never be given the benefit of the doubt. They are beyond being reasoned with.
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