Wonko_C
Member
Sorry about that, I fixed it in my post. I haven't played the game to that point yet, so I don't want to get myself spoiled either.
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Kaldaien's Nier Mod has an anti-piracy check - People got mad
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Sorry about that, I fixed it in my post. I haven't played the game to that point yet, so I don't want to get myself spoiled either.
Wonder Peter
Member
Yeah, but you know, some people don't even know what that means and are contacting SquareEnix and Valve over a optional mod that isn't endorsed by neither. The whole situation is pretty dumb
Coreda
Member
One issue with this would be people who own the game but also want to keep a DRM-free version (since apparently Denuvo has been circumvented). Going back to the Crysis 1 days I had cracks for the main binary due to the DRM, despite owning the game on the disc. A similar case here would likely be detected as piracy.
I realize it's probably a small use case. Would adding the regular Steam DLL from the original install to a different directory validate the mod in such a scenario?
I realize it's probably a small use case. Would adding the regular Steam DLL from the original install to a different directory validate the mod in such a scenario?
Wonko_C
Member
But you can play through the entirety of souls offline if you want to, right? (I haven't played any Souls so I don't know) Nier's sounds more like an online check to me.
Jeez, i want to see those emails. Denuvo can burn for all I care, but the idea of asking them to crack down on a modder who is fixing their games for putting in an anti-piracy mea... my head hurts.
CannonFodder52
Member
Wonder Peter
Member
The only DRM the mod validates is the Steam DRM so yes it would. And even if it didn't you could just easily use the source code delete some lines and make it work without validating anything.
It's not an online check. You have no idea.
It also thematically ties into the game.
The user that did that posted here in this thread too, he's been spreading alot of misinformation around.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=236214204&postcount=102
Wonko_C
Member
It is? because I've heard otherwise. NVM. I guess the answer to that would spoil it for me entirely.
Guess I'll see for myself when I get there, then. Thanks.
I'll remain confused by what Cyanity said until then, though.
Coreda
Member
Cool. Thanks for the info.
It is? because I've heard otherwise. NVM. I guess the answer to that would spoil it for me entirely.
Guess I'll see for myself when I get there, then. Thanks.
I'll remain confused by what Cianity said until then, though.
Let me just say that you'll have a better experience if you play it online
, and you'll miss the point if you don't. It's not a deal breaker, but it loses a lot of its impact. It has a multiplayer element like souls blood ghosts, but more thematically relevant.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I did too and he called me for no understanding how it worked and that I was an idiot until he figured it out it was an issue for real. There was a version where the frame rate would basically falls to zero because of some water animation. Guy is gifted with computers but doesn't seem like a nice person to hang out with.
killatopak
Member
I love it.
Its interesting this backlash has coincided with the official crack being released. I would say its correlated.
Wonder Peter
Member
And you're not wrong, the forum was flooded when that happened with people complaining that the mod wasn't working and the drama begun when he stated that he indeed was validating if the copy is valid or not.
CannonFodder52
Member
Stop reading these if you haven't beaten the game.
Yea, I definitely would not be able to get it offline. I'd be curious to hear how many people managed to do it.
LordKasual
Banned
Good, Nier is too good of a game
Iorv3th
Member
It's not the same at all. He had 2 people spam his threads with 100s of posts that were advocating piracy and he blocked them.
This is just a free mod anyway. So far people that have paid for the game are not effected negatively. Only users who pirated the game are. And the only negative for them is time spent reinstalling the cracked version.
charlequin
Banned
It's pretty normal for people in hacking scenes to make big performative shows of morality-policing with their work, and also to behave somewhat childishly in response to criticism. I don't think either is worthy of any praise whatsoever, but releasing the source code for the mod ensures both are more symbolic gestures than true limitations anyway so it doesn't seem like a big issue.
This is why we can't have nice things.
The idiocy demonstrated in this thread is mind boggling.
Yup.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I think the act itself is worthy of praise. Start adding other elements in the mix for consideration though, like modder's personality and reaction m, and I can agree...it starts to get a little hazy.
Moon_frogger
Member
People complaining about denuvo but still buying games that ship with it are hypocrites. Especially for trying to pass the blame off onto a modder. Why are you buying nier if you're so against drm practices? Just don't play it. Send a messsge.
meltingparappa
Member
Not buying Nier would likely send the message that PC ports of platinum games aren't worth their time.
It's much more pragmatic to financially support a game you want to play, and still publicly post on a forum about your displeasure of a specific piece of anti-DRM software in hopes that the publisher will get the message.
Tell me if this sounds ludicrous.
hydrophilic attack
Member
Omg lol. I hadn't even considered
the implications of your spoiler for pirates
Now my head really hurts.
I get that it sucks that a mod's creator would put all uses of a crack into the piracy category as someone who feels more at ease knowing that there will always be a version of a game that doesn't need authentication. But as it's open source mod, meh. I'm sure if I (and I probably will knowing my past) encounter a DRM issue, there will be an alternate version of the mod floating around.
Both sides seem childish, but I'll fall back on my "don't be an ass to the people doing free shit to make your experience better" philosophy. He might deserve criticism for how he acts generally but that's separate from this altogether trivial matter.
If you're going to complain about this, complain about it to someone who actually cares. Hint, not Valve or Square, and seemingly not Steam or GAF going by a lot of the responses. Maybe nobody cares. Also, stop using malware and weaponizing so loosely.
Do you considering me using your post ID a weaponization of it?
Support Bayo day 1. Support Nier after crack is released. This is the logic I've been working on. I should get around to that second part.
In your post on the steam forums you mention:
His application neither damages or disables a computer system.
Classifying a blacklist in his software as malware would mean that applications like punkbuster, VAC, DRM, etc are also malware. He had two names of griefers who were intentionally attempting to block his ability to support other players with legitimate issues. So he blocked them from using his software. I don't see anything wrong with this. It's his software, he can do what he wants. It's free. You don't have to use it. On top of that, the software he provides and supports is completely open source. Anyone can just modify it (and they already have).
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Unless there is some non-Steam version floating around, I don't understand how this is a problem for anyone.
I couldn't even almost feel slightly compelled to feel bad for anyone pirating this title.
I couldn't even almost feel slightly compelled to feel bad for anyone pirating this title.
johntown
Banned
Seems un-necessary to include that in a mod. It is his mod and his choice of course but why add something into his mod that is really not needed or his job?
I don't support PC game piracy but I agree with the people who got mad. Why add it in the first place? What is the point?
I am sure someone will add a version with that removed and I am sure it would not be too hard for anyone to modify his mod to remove that option.
I don't support PC game piracy but I agree with the people who got mad. Why add it in the first place? What is the point?
I am sure someone will add a version with that removed and I am sure it would not be too hard for anyone to modify his mod to remove that option.
meltingparappa
Member
There's a REALLY easy workaround though -- all you need to do is pay for the game.
johntown
Banned
Interesting...
ViolentP
Member
Sometimes doing something good comes without reward.
Moon_frogger
Member
Honestly, no I see your point. still, if this were a major issue for consumers, you'd see sales of drm free games skyrocket and protected ones dwindle and fail.
I personally find the crusade against drm to be a bit ridiculous. I was always under the assumption that you don't own a game anyway but a liscence to use the product on the specified platform. I've never personally been impacted by DRM. For a while there was an argument that dunevo in particluar could cause performance issues in games but that doesn't really seem to be the case anymore.
There's also something to be said for sticking to your principles. I personally absolutely do not support practices that I consider harmful or anti consumer, no matter how much I love a particular developer or want to see their game on my platform of choice. It's why I won't buy any call of duty games even though black ops 3 was my first cod and I loved it. Too much anti consumer bullshit. To each his own but personally my principles are more important and judging from the righteous indignation people express on here about denuvo I'm surprised people are buying the game.
Also, I have to admit I was kind of making a sly reference to those who are just wanting to pirate the game but throwing a fit because of a few hurdles.
Reading the OP in that Steam thread is giving me a headache. We have an ungrateful fucking idiot amongst us.
Linkstrikesback
Member
That's not up to you.
If he wants his freely distributed mod only to be used by players who did pay for the game, that's up to him.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
People call him rude and stuff but try to do something nice for the community only to have idiots shit on it and see how you behave. Fucking idiots ruining things and berate people just because of their own shit heads.
We have at least two going by this thread alone.
We have at least two going by this thread alone.
Death Penalty
Member
Nice. Going by the reactions it made the lives of a few pirates a bit more difficult. Always good to see.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That comes off as wildly alarmist and inaccurate.
I don't understand the mentality of people who are against this, trying to play it off as a virus, etc. It's an user made mod, you aren't entitled to be able to use it. It's open source, if you don't like the code in it, remove the lines and compile it yourself. If you are too lazy to do this, that's on you.
Iorv3th
Member
Because they don't want to pay for games/software. But they don't want to be seen as pirates so they try to argue it from some other asinine perspective that doesn't really add up. "What if.." "But he could have..." etc.
It's disappointing and it would be perfectly reasonable for Kaldaien to just close up shop. The gaming community is toxic as fuck.
Don't waste your breath, he's an idiot.
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