You just invented the first part, it makes no sense and there is no legal base for it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=236215923&postcount=127
Straight from the horse's mouth, but ok I invented it. Stop being wrong.
You just invented the first part, it makes no sense and there is no legal base for it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=236215923&postcount=127
Straight from the horse's mouth, but ok I invented it. Stop being wrong.
Edit: I guess it seems like the argument you're posing is that someone who steals something should have full, convenient access to the product they stole and any extensions, and that seems ridiculous.
He invented then.
This thread is a total trainwreck. I can't believe some of the posters here. Gonna be a lot of grey names soon.
People who don't buy the fucking game can, you know, just use the fucking mod? Like holy shit, what a terrible destiny, pirating a whole big game completely for free but not be able to use a mod boo fucking hoo. Shit man, those idiots have the goddamn fucking internet at their disposal, they Google some basic coding lessons and they will be able to recompile the kid's code without the restriction pretty easily.At least from what I understand it's not that their entitled it's more that he put the effort into setting up DRM for essentially no reason.
I bought it so I'm on the other side of things, I'm just defending others who might have not bought it. It's not really the right thing to do to gimp someone's experience like I mentioned before because you personally don't like it. Sure you don't need to support them when they ask questions, or anything like that. But please don't go out of your way to sabotage the people who didn't buy the game. That's just malicious.
If you're comparing what I'm saying here to what reddit and 4chan might be doing. Let's step back for a second. 4chan is most likely going to dox him because of this, and sure maybe if you make a decisions like this, and aren't ready for any backlash then I mean there's not much else to say other than just let it blow over.
He is completely free to do so for his own piece of mind, whether backed by case law or not.
People who don't buy the fucking game can, you know, just use the fucking mod? Like holy shit, what a terrible destiny, pirating a whole big game completely for free but not be able to use a mod boo fucking hoo. Shit man, those idiots have the goddamn fucking internet at their disposal, they Google some basic coding lessons and they will be able to recompile the kid's code without the restriction pretty easily.
Such a drama queen. It isn't the first time he has done something like this.
Before anything else I'd like to be clear that I was using a hypothetical "you" and wasn't accusing you, personally, of anything. Just so we're clear, since I see the way I phrased it could be misinterpreted.
But, how is it malicious? Why are you defending those that haven't bought the game? What is logically wrong with punishing thieves in a mod that you personally developed, provide for free and have as open source? He's not going out of his way to sabotage anybody, because the mod isn't mandatory. There's no targeted attack here, just inconvenience for people without valid copies of the game. I guess the question at the root of it all is, what is the logical argument against what he's done? I'm seeing a lot of "he shouldn't do this" but not reasoning to back it up.
Jesus Christ stop with the 4chan FuD dumbasses spreading already.Very talented guy but he is a well known major cunt
Dont dare get into any argument with him
And use his fixes
He can add your information to a blacklist in the software code and God's knows what else he can do with it.
He can be a shit person but I don't see how pirates are entitled to anything that anyone writes, regardless of the attitude of the writer.
He's not going "out of his way" to do anything to pirates, he just doesn't want pirates to be able to use his mod. Pirates can play the vanilla version of the game just fine, he wasn't doing anything to do those people. All you're doing is arguing that pirates are entitled to his mod for no reason other than you "feel" it's right, but you haven't actually articulated why that is.
but they do deserve to at least use the mod, and not have their experience gimped because a mod developer
No worries didn't think you were talking about me, but I responded like that just in case you had been. Well it's malicious under the fact that he has blacklisted people before, as much as it might just be 2 trolls. He did it either way. If 'you' let him get away with this then who knows what else he'll add to the compiled version of the .dll (Who knows if those are even the same as the code on git.) It's not up to him to decide who isn't able to use the mod and play the game. If it was really a huge problem then Nier would have had much more rigorous anti-crack measures, but it doesn't.
But I'm not blaming the Nier devs either. I'm just saying it's not his call to do something like this. He sorta did go out of his way because it's not needed to have the mod working and it wasn't something that was providing an obstacle to updating the mod. It's pretty much targeted at all pirates. Yeah it's an inconvenience sure, and sure it's an easy fix. But like I just mentioned he wasn't one of the developers who made the game, so it's not his call to make. For example lets say Platinum Games publicly said that they don't care if you pirated or not. Would his decision be right? Sure this example might never happen it's just like I mentioned it's not his call to make who should and shouldn't be able to play a game with mods.
Sure it's only tied to his mod, and you can play fine without it, but what if more and more people start doing something similar to this? If I couldn't mod Skyrim I'd probably have never bought it multiple times. If i was locked out of modding on a pirated copy of Skyrim I would have probably never even installed the game to be quite honest with you. But thankfully I was able to mod it, and they got quite enough money out of me from buying the legendary edition 4 times (gifted to friends), and the remaster on consoles.
Wait Kal's source code, when compiled, will still work for people on his banlist?
... Then what the heck is Blam & co's argument here?
4chan is most likely going to dox him because of this, and sure maybe if you make a decisions like this, and aren't ready for any backlash then I mean there's not much else to say other than just let it blow over.
No worries didn't think you were talking about me, but I responded like that just in case you had been. Well it's malicious under the fact that he has blacklisted people before, as much as it might just be 2 trolls. He did it either way. If 'you' let him get away with this then who knows what else he'll add to the compiled version of the .dll (Who knows if those are even the same as the code on git.) It's not up to him to decide who isn't able to use the mod and play the game. If it was really a huge problem then Nier would have had much more rigorous anti-crack measures, but it doesn't.
But I'm not blaming the Nier devs either. I'm just saying it's not his call to do something like this. He sorta did go out of his way because it's not needed to have the mod working and it wasn't something that was providing an obstacle to updating the mod. It's pretty much targeted at all pirates. Yeah it's an inconvenience sure, and sure it's an easy fix. But like I just mentioned he wasn't one of the developers who made the game, so it's not his call to make. For example lets say Platinum Games publicly said that they don't care if you pirated or not. Would his decision be right? Sure this example might never happen it's just like I mentioned it's not his call to make who should and shouldn't be able to play a game with mods.
Sure it's only tied to his mod, and you can play fine without it, but what if more and more people start doing something similar to this? If I couldn't mod Skyrim I'd probably have never bought it multiple times. If i was locked out of modding on a pirated copy of Skyrim I would have probably never even installed the game to be quite honest with you. But thankfully I was able to mod it, and they got quite enough money out of me from buying the legendary edition 4 times (gifted to friends), and the remaster on consoles.
"if 4chan doxxes him it's his fault"
No, really:
Jesus fucking christ just go away with your dumb conspiracy theories already. Nobody is entitled to a motherfucking free mod. You are not entitled to have access to anything that someone writes for free. It's his software and he can block whoever he motherfucking wants from it, it's his right and always will be.No worries didn't think you were talking about me, but I responded like that just in case you had been. Well it's malicious under the fact that he has blacklisted people before, as much as it might just be 2 trolls. He did it either way. If 'you' let him get away with this then who knows what else he'll add to the compiled version of the .dll (Who knows if those are even the same as the code on git.) It's not up to him to decide who isn't able to use the mod and play the game. If it was really a huge problem then Nier would have had much more rigorous anti-crack measures, but it doesn't.
But I'm not blaming the Nier devs either. I'm just saying it's not his call to do something like this. He sorta did go out of his way because it's not needed to have the mod working and it wasn't something that was providing an obstacle to updating the mod. It's pretty much targeted at all pirates. Yeah it's an inconvenience sure, and sure it's an easy fix. But like I just mentioned he wasn't one of the developers who made the game, so it's not his call to make. For example lets say Platinum Games publicly said that they don't care if you pirated or not. Would his decision be right? Sure this example might never happen it's just like I mentioned it's not his call to make who should and shouldn't be able to play a game with mods.
Sure it's only tied to his mod, and you can play fine without it, but what if more and more people start doing something similar to this? If I couldn't mod Skyrim I'd probably have never bought it multiple times. If i was locked out of modding on a pirated copy of Skyrim I would have probably never even installed the game to be quite honest with you. But thankfully I was able to mod it, and they got quite enough money out of me from buying the legendary edition 4 times (gifted to friends), and the remaster on consoles.
But once you accept that piracy is an unstoppable reality.
stanning for a set of unproven beliefs.
Its about ethics in mod creation.Wait Kal's source code, when compiled, will still work for people on his banlist?
... Then what the heck is Blam & co's argument here?
But once you accept that piracy is an unstoppable reality. Then what you have left is a vigilante modder, stanning for a set of unproven beliefs that wants to take on a certain subset of the internet that are already cranky about denuvo.
So yeah there'll be some drama.
Wait. "Unproven beliefs" that stealing is wrong? Am I reading that right?
No the unproven belief being piracy hurts sales, and destroys companies profits. It's always and forever will be an assumption.
Yet it's been happening for 30 years and if anything gaming on PC has never ever been stronger.
Regardless of whether or not it hurts sales, I think taking something you have not paid for is pretty ethically clear, especially when we're talking a luxury item like a game. I also think the idea that 100% of said pirates would never have spent even a penny on the game otherwise is likely to be pirate rhetoric and not actually indicative of truth, and if piracy hurts sales even slightly there's no room for grey area.
Like seriously, stealing is wrong. Piracy is the theft of luxury entertainment products. How is it defensible?
Piracy is not theft.
It's copyright infringement.
Would you take the same stance if a commercial game used Steamworks to target specific users the studio took issue with ? They could just not buy the game.
That could be a valid argument if the main issue was piracy and sales. Its not important to a discussion where a mod breaks if you pirate the game.No the unproven belief being piracy hurts sales, and destroys companies profits. It's always and forever will be an assumption.
Yet it's been happening for 30 years and if anything gaming on PC has never ever been stronger.
Piracy is not theft.
It's copyright infringement.
Semantics, and not in any way an invalidation of the point made.
Both are illegal in most western countries...
The difference here is that the mod is free, optional and open-source.Lol.
Publisher adds DRM: "Fuck them, I'm pirating just to spite"
Modder adds DRM: "Good on him, support PC!"
FWIW, I think it's pretty funny, and overall a decent move on the modder's part.
The difference here is that the mod is free, optional and open-source.
I can dislike Denuvo in a prdocut I paid for while at the same time not caring about what a modder does with his freetime-work (that anyone with the knowledge can even modify to his liking).
There is no online DRM, stop spreading FUD.Ya, if you dislike having denuvo in a product you paid for the logical next step is to fix a bug in it by adding a mod to it that also has online DRM.
Lol.
Publisher adds DRM: "Fuck them, I'm pirating just to spite"
Modder adds DRM: "Good on him, support PC!"
FWIW, I think it's pretty funny, and overall a decent move on the modder's part.
The whole thing is open source so anyone that wants to use it on pirate copies can just code the DRM out.Lol.
Publisher adds DRM: "Fuck them, I'm pirating just to spite"
Modder adds DRM: "Good on him, support PC!"
FWIW, I think it's pretty funny, and overall a decent move on the modder's part.
There is no online DRM on the mod whatsoever.Ya, if you dislike having denuvo in a product you paid for the logical next step is to fix a bug in it by adding a mod to it that also has online DRM.
Lol.
Publisher adds DRM: "Fuck them, I'm pirating just to spite"
Modder adds DRM: "Good on him, support PC!"
FWIW, I think it's pretty funny, and overall a decent move on the modder's part.
Honestly, nothing he did here is outside his rights as a mod maker. And since it open source, anyone can simply create a fork and keep it up to date with any future versions. Not really hard to do.
This reminds that Kaldaien fixed quite a few games that I enjoyed with his mod tools so far.
Does he have a public account where he accepts donation?
This whole situation makes me want him to setup a Patreon or something. Although stupid people could use this as an argument
"WAAAAAAAAAAAH I -GAVE MONEY- TO HIM SO HE NEEDS TO REMOVE THE PIRATECHECK!"
What precedent? Are you insane? You think the dude invented a completely new way of blocking people from using software or something? You think it's a magical virus every modder will use now?
This is not a fucking commercial game, it's a goddamn free mod that you are not entitled to use in any fucking way. If he wants to ban you from it, it is his goddamn right.
Do you cry about TF2 and CS community servers using the API system to ban you from their servers too? Why the hell aren't you crying about that?
Because there's a difference banning someone from a server and writing code specifically to target someone you don't like (while distributing that code on the discussion board that the mods/Square Enix themselves stickied at the top). Again, you think Valve and Square Enix would approve?
The implications of people targeting each other using SteamIDs to target people they don't like and take their toys away from each other is pretty dangerous. Especially within modding communities for stuff like Bethesda games and Arma.
We don't need more shitty behavior from modders. Trust me.
Because there's a difference banning someone from a server and writing code specifically to target someone you don't like (while distributing that code on the discussion board that the mods/Square Enix themselves stickied at the top). Again, you think Valve and Square Enix would approve?
The implications of people targeting each other using SteamIDs to target people they don't like and take their toys away from each other is pretty dangerous. Especially within modding communities for stuff like Bethesda games and Arma.
We don't need more shitty behavior from modders. Trust me.
There's a pretty big difference between taking something from someone and copying something without permission.
That's why you said "Stealing is wrong" instead of "Distributing unauthorized duplicates is wrong." One sounds worse because it is worse.