Wow, that is not only hypocritical, it is confusing as hell.
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Kentucky clerk Kim Davis denies same-sex marriage license again, despite end of stay
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Wow, that is not only hypocritical, it is confusing as hell.
SouSouRocket
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As a lawyer I'm not usually rooting for jail time for non-violent offenses but fuck I want this lady to be jailed. :/ The worst part is no matter what happens she'll consider herself a martyr and so will her bigoted supporters. It's insane to me that some people are still wasting time on such repugnant displays now that it's been settled definitively.
BKatastrophe
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Record keeping. Local government that I work for currently has the position officially as "City Clerk-Treasurer." So there's that, I guess. Then again, that's city and not county.
I couldn't tell you. I literally know next to nothing about government positions and how they work. And I work there.
you missed the step where the racist public raises $830,000 for her through some gofundme alternative.
Certainly seems to impart delusions of grandeur.
Its too late for that. This is some shit I could see Ted Cruz bringing up over and over again when he's campaigning about how Christians are prosecuted like he's been doing for the last year or so. Whatever happens, she needs to be removed from her position if she is going to refuse to do essential job functions. Not sure how that happens honestly. They could fine or jail her but would that make her change her mind since its her decision? Doubt it honestly.
andrerobot
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It baffles me the absence of real separation of church and state.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
Yeah, she can only be removed by impeachment by the state legislature, which isn't in session until January. However, I also read that some local judge has authority to issue licenses when the clerk is "absent," which is a requirement that might be met if she were to be imprisoned for contempt.
GreatestHits
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Damnit I got my threads mixed up and thought she got pepper-sprayed. Oh well
Well things are starting to make sense
Me neither. Well holy fuck the day came right to your doorstep
Oh my Lordy Jesus I really empathize with you, and I have to say you might not be fit for office
Damn, thanks for giving us a lead on the unconstitutional legislature that is soon to be abolished. Also, you just lied.
I think we have heard enough. You are fit to resign
You just contradicted the hell out of yourself but we have found a solution. And you're asking to overrule the Supreme Court based on your state's commitment to conscience and religious freedom? This isn't church, honey.
Then we're all in agreement. Let's wrap this up and get you outta here
Well things are starting to make sense
Me neither. Well holy fuck the day came right to your doorstep
Oh my Lordy Jesus I really empathize with you, and I have to say you might not be fit for office
Damn, thanks for giving us a lead on the unconstitutional legislature that is soon to be abolished. Also, you just lied.
I think we have heard enough. You are fit to resign
You just contradicted the hell out of yourself but we have found a solution. And you're asking to overrule the Supreme Court based on your state's commitment to conscience and religious freedom? This isn't church, honey.
Then we're all in agreement. Let's wrap this up and get you outta here
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Why doesn't she work in a church instead of the clerks office.
(Extremist) religion is scary.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Sorry Sir, I cannot sell you this bottle of water because you look like a sinner.
Something tells me she won't be making 80K at a church.
" I never thought I would have to grant licenses to people who went against Jesus's teachings on marriage, who went against gods definition of marriage."
Oh yeah I remember that passage where Jesus said gay people shouldn't get married goes like "love your neighbor as yourself unless he's gay in which case you should hate them and deny them the same rights you would give someone else"....oh wait that doesn't exist? Well surely God has tons to say on the matter right? Oh... He talks about it twice and once it's actually just Paul and the other time it's burried in a bunch of other laws we already ignore because they don't help us further our prejudices. Weird.
Oh yeah I remember that passage where Jesus said gay people shouldn't get married goes like "love your neighbor as yourself unless he's gay in which case you should hate them and deny them the same rights you would give someone else"....oh wait that doesn't exist? Well surely God has tons to say on the matter right? Oh... He talks about it twice and once it's actually just Paul and the other time it's burried in a bunch of other laws we already ignore because they don't help us further our prejudices. Weird.
Wickerbasket
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Yeah, and her quote doesn't even hold up to scrutiny if you consider she's been divorced several times.
She's just looking for an excuse to justify her bigotry.
benjipwns
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Her mom was county clerk for 37 years, and she was deputy for 27 years. When her mom stepped down, she moved up.
It's an "elect who everybody knows" thing more than a "Kentucky" thing.
benjipwns
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I figured it would be an uncontested race or something but nope: She was the Democratic candidate and beat the Republican 53.2% to 46.8%. It was also a pretty contested party primary. She barely won 47.2% to 44.2% to 8.5%.
They also elect the county jailer (57.8% for Wes Coldiron (GOP) over 42.2% for David Fultz (Dem)) and the county coroner (John Northcutt (Dem) won with 100% of the vote).
Rowan County also voted for Alison Lundergan Grimes over Mitch McConnell 49.6% to 46.7%.
Good ol Eastern Kentucky.
They also elect the county jailer (57.8% for Wes Coldiron (GOP) over 42.2% for David Fultz (Dem)) and the county coroner (John Northcutt (Dem) won with 100% of the vote).
Rowan County also voted for Alison Lundergan Grimes over Mitch McConnell 49.6% to 46.7%.
Good ol Eastern Kentucky.
Clerks, coroners, and jailers should not be elected positions. What's next, the janitor for the county office?
mariachi507
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Violating a central teaching of scripture?
I can't stand these damn cherry pickers! I must have skipped over the book of homophobia when I read the bible all those years ago.
I can't stand these damn cherry pickers! I must have skipped over the book of homophobia when I read the bible all those years ago.
I'm wondering this too. Is she the only one there who can perform this duty?
If so, for the sake of pragmatism, perhaps the office should get someone else in to manage this and they can informally sort out between themselves who will serve who without making any public grand stands about it. Of course, the office should not have to do this, if an office only has one clerk who can do this, they can't run a personal rule of law. But just to get over this hump and get licenses out in this case.
edit - it's an elected position, and she's the only one there? lord help us. This is paper pushing job for a clerical officer, nothing more.
SneakyStephan
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What a cunt...
I'd say the big reason is because they're also in charge of running elections.
CrocMother
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She says she wants to keep her job and not violate her faith but lady, the law is law and these people need to get married. How else are they supposed to do that.
Gotdatmoney
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If you can't handle the realities of a job because of your religion, you can't hold that position. I don't really csre if she is a hypocrit or w/e, this is part of the job. Your religion is irrelevant.
GrotesqueBeauty
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If her conscience forbids her from performing the duties of the completely secular job she accepted and she's sooooo righteous then she should recognize that the two are incompatible and voluntarily resign, trusting that the Lord will guide her towards greener pastures. Right? Right?
Aaaannny way, It's always fascinating to see people trumpeting their freedom to, uh, deny other people freedom. Obviously Christ almighty saw fit to deprive her any sense of irony.
Aaaannny way, It's always fascinating to see people trumpeting their freedom to, uh, deny other people freedom. Obviously Christ almighty saw fit to deprive her any sense of irony.
1.21Gigawatts
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I'm always baffeled by people who don't understand that the laws of a secular country have to apply to all people and therefore can't be based on the religion and believes of some people.
You don't like same sex marriages? Don't have one. If you don't want to have anything to do with it at your job, don't get a job in the field. You wouldn't apply for a job as a bartender in stripclub if you thought strip shows were sin, would you? Or would you just not serve the people who came there to enjoy stripshows?
You don't like same sex marriages? Don't have one. If you don't want to have anything to do with it at your job, don't get a job in the field. You wouldn't apply for a job as a bartender in stripclub if you thought strip shows were sin, would you? Or would you just not serve the people who came there to enjoy stripshows?
I get that the same-sex marriage - strip show analogy isn't ideal, but I don't have the time to come up with a better one
benjipwns
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But other people are having them, how is that fair to me???
ThaneKrios
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And yet, here am I, unemployed. While this lady is getting paid to NOT do her job.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Okay. Follow-up question: why, unlike every other developed country, are partisan elected officials responsible for running elections in America?
i said this in an another thread, but a lot of my family and older acquaintances are registered dems and, while they vote dem for county/local elections, they tend to vote GOP on national elections.
some of the shit i've heard the dems say would make GOP Youtube commenters blush. I've met some local Democratic elected officials that would be too much for the current GOP candidates.
shit is weird.
Rudimental
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I think there may be a job opening soon.
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