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Kojima tweet pretty much confirms The Phantom Pain being a Kojima Game

butman

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Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are different games. What the point to make a mystery trailer for a game already announced?

The both games will be between Peace Walker and Shadow Moses incidents. Ground Zeroes starring by Big Boss and Ground Zeroes by a young Snake (yeah and Grey Fox too)

1964 - Virtuous Mission - Operation Snake Eater - Metal Gear Solid 3
1970 - San Hieronymo Takeover - Metal Gear Solid: Portal Ops
1972 - Les Enfants Terribles Project - ??
1974 - Peace Walker Incident - Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
19?? - GROUND ZEROES
19?? - PHANTOM PAIN (Outer Heaven)

1999 - Zanzibar Land Disturbance - Metal Gear 2
2005 - Shadow Moses Incident - Metal Gear Solid
2007 - Tanker Incident - Metal Gear Solid 2
2009 - Big Shell Incident - Metal Gear Solid 2
2014 - Liquid Sun - Solid Sun - Third Sun - Twin Suns - Old Sun - Naked Sin
 

SolidSnakex

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so ground zero and phantom pain aren't the same game? Wasn't Peace walker mgs5?

Is any of them games MGS5/6

I never been so confused in my life about anything WTF
No, Kojima said that he wanted to name it MGS5 but Konami said that it was a no go because they didn't want a handheld game to carry a number. MGS5, whenever it comes, will be on consoles.
 

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There's no way they're currently making and promoting two full priced MGS games for the same platforms, so if we take that 'Ground Zeroes is a prologue' thing as true, it's probably just literally the first hour or so of MGS5, and TPP is the next nine hours or whatever.
 

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This thing is really taking up on me. I'm so hyped ! I just want to know, please deliver GDC
(sadly I probably won't play the game since I can't enjoy most of MGS games)
 

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There's no way they're currently making and promoting two full priced MGS games for the same platforms, so if we take that 'Ground Zeroes is a prologue' thing as true, it's probably just literally the first hour or so of MGS5, and TPP is the next nine hours or whatever.
So maybe the GZ part is the beginning, shit goes wrong and Big Boss ends up in that strange facility and TPP takes place
 

SolidSnakex

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One of the Game Informer editors said that he'd heard that Ground Zeroes was downloadable game. So it very well could be the pilot episode experiment that Kojima mentioned recently.
 

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There's no way they're currently making and promoting two full priced MGS games for the same platforms, so if we take that 'Ground Zeroes is a prologue' thing as true, it's probably just literally the first hour or so of MGS5, and TPP is the next nine hours or whatever.
One of the Game Informer editors said that he'd heard that Ground Zeroes was downloadable game. So it very well could be the pilot episode experiment that Kojima mentioned recently.
I like my theories!

There are two possibilities I think:

a) Ground Zeroes is the prologue mission(s) in MGS5, and also serves as a playable demo for MGS5. Kinda like Tanker in MGS2 and Virtuous Mission in MGS3.

b) MGS5 is a much bigger game and won't be coming out for 2-3 years. Ground Zeroes is a smaller and more modular experiment created as a sort of prologue-game to MGS5, like GT5 Prologue. It will be released later this year, and is meant to be very replayable, with a mix of free and paid DLC content being added post-release eventually leading up to MGS5.
 

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So trailers are edited in premiere.
HEH.

All those purple things on the timeline could be subtitles.

The topmost track looks like a video overlayed on the entire timeline, i guess it's just an animated logo or something.

Main video track appears to be 'hidden' in a couple spots by placing different footage 'above' it, or maybe it's just two videos being displayed simultaneously, PiP, or otherwise combined as layers.

I don't think there's a lot more you can gather from the pic.
 

AgentChris

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Ground Zeroes is the base game world and The Phantom Pain is the actual game(MGS5).
GZ: Peace Walker on steroids
TPP: MGS4 on steroids
 
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My theory:

Kojima said Ground Zeroes is the prologue to MGS 5, which i think means it's like the Tanker was for MGS 2 and Virtuous Mission was for MGS 3, both GZ and TPP are still the same game = Metal Gear Solid V.

I also think Ground Zeroes and The Phantom Pain are just the names for the trailers and the final subtitle to MGS 5 hasn't been released yet. (My guess full name reveal at E3)
I think you are on to something here.
 

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I am going with the theory that GZ or whatever it is called is a downloadable game and the big end reveal will be you have been in VR all along reliving a important Big Boss mission and you are the new hero for MGS5.
 
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I am going with the theory that GZ is a downloadable game and the big end reveal will be you have been in VR all along reliving a important Big Boss mission and you are the new hero for MGS5.


I'd like that. It's time to give Snake/Big Boss a rest. Big Boss' GZ flip-his-goggles-up unveil was awesomely iconic but I'd like something new after that.
 

Cyklops

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Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain are different games. What the point to make a mystery trailer for a game already announced?

The both games will be between Peace Walker and Shadow Moses incidents. Ground Zeroes starring by Big Boss and Ground Zeroes by a young Snake (yeah and Grey Fox too)

1964 - Virtuous Mission - Operation Snake Eater - Metal Gear Solid 3
1970 - San Hieronymo Takeover - Metal Gear Solid: Portal Ops
1972 - Les Enfants Terribles Project - ??
1974 - Peace Walker Incident - Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
19?? - GROUND ZEROES
19?? - PHANTOM PAIN (Outer Heaven)

1999 - Zanzibar Land Disturbance - Metal Gear 2
2005 - Shadow Moses Incident - Metal Gear Solid
2007 - Tanker Incident - Metal Gear Solid 2
2009 - Big Shell Incident - Metal Gear Solid 2
2014 - Liquid Sun - Solid Sun - Third Sun - Twin Suns - Old Sun - Naked Sin
Will fit in with Jaegar's story of meeting Naomi, and how they became siblings under Big Boss.
 

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So maybe the GZ part is the beginning, shit goes wrong and Big Boss ends up in that strange facility and TPP takes place
this is likely people forget what Geoff said about the pp trailer before VGA last year
 

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I like my theories!
That certainly seems reasonable. But I wonder if they'd keep the PS3/360 versions of TPP/MGS5 if it's still 2-3 years away from release? The next-gen platforms should have pretty healthy install bases and will have likely already seen at least on price cut to help grow that base.
 

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This is what he is talking about at GDC..

Join Hideo Kojima and the Kojima Productions staff as they demonstrate and explain the workflow and development process of Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes on the Fox Engine. This session will mainly cover the key components and unique methods Kojima Productions utilizes in the graphics arena to create visuals seen in METAL GEAR SOLID GROUND ZEROES. Participants can expect an overview of topics such as asset creation and rendering techniques used in the next METAL GEAR SOLID. Enjoy the session as Kojima Productions unveils the FOX Engine for the first time.
He is going to talk about how METAL GEAR SOLID GROUND ZEROES is developed in the Fox Engine... so not only Fox Engine.. so TPP is a (liquid) solid proof that he is trolling us again today... he likes it way to much.
 

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This is what he is talking about at GDC..



He is going to talk about how METAL GEAR SOLID GROUND ZEROES is developed in the Fox Engine... so not only Fox Engine.. so TPP is a (liquid) solid proof that he is trolling us again today... he likes it way to much.
The presentation will be 90mins long. I assume that the last 15-20mins will be dedicated to trailers and announcements. My prediction is that he will show a trailer for Ground Zeroes then demonstrate the gameplay and at the end before closing the session he says "I have one more thing to show"..and BAM The Phantom Pain trailer is shown. However, we still don't know if TPP and GZ are one and the same but I assume that he is going to reveal something on the PS4 and that would be MGS5 which MIGHT be The Phantom Pain.
 
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Did they ever confirm if Ground Zero's and Phantom Pain are for sure two different games?

I just don't see Kojima writing/directing/producing two different games simultaneously. This whole thing has been an elaborate ruse, and GZ's and PP are in fact the same game.

Uninformed speculation! Ground Zeroes is a short prequel game to Phantom Pain ala GT: Prologue. Ground Zeroes ends with Big Boss losing his arm. Then we get Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain which is a rip roaring tale of revenge.
I like it.
 
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Uninformed speculation! Ground Zeroes is a short prequel game to Phantom Pain ala GT: Prologue. Ground Zeroes ends with Big Boss losing his arm. Then we get Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain which is a rip roaring tale of revenge.
 

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Did they ever confirm if Ground Zero's and Phantom Pain are for sure two different games?

I just don't see Kojima writing/directing/producing two different games simultaneously. This whole thing has been an elaborate ruse, and GZ's and PP are in fact the same game.
they haven't even confirmed that the phantom pain is a kojima game, so how could they have confirmed if the already announced ground zeroes was the same game as the phantom pain?
 

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If Ground Zeroes is not Project Ogre(confirmed by Kojima) and if The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are one and the same then The Phantom Pain can't be Project Ogre either. So the question to be asked here, what is Project Ogre then? Mogren has Ogre in it and it is not a coincidence! And since Joakim Mogren is related to The Phantom Pain that led me to believe that TPP is Project Ogre which is therefore a separate game from Ground Zeroes.
 

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That certainly seems reasonable. But I wonder if they'd keep the PS3/360 versions of TPP/MGS5 if it's still 2-3 years away from release? The next-gen platforms should have pretty healthy install bases and will have likely already seen at least on price cut to help grow that base.
If GZ is the downloadable prologue it could be cross gen with the full blown MGS5 being built for next gen from the beginning. GZ could just be a taste to see what people like and don't like about it.

If Ground Zeroes is not Project Ogre(confirmed by Kojima) and if The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are one and the same then The Phantom Pain can't be Project Ogre either. So the question to be asked here, what is Project Ogre then? Mogren has Ogre in it and it is not a coincidence! And since Joakim Mogren is related to The Phantom Pain that led me to believe that TPP is Project Ogre which is therefore a separate game from Ground Zeroes.
Kojima said we'd see the Ogre when he shows it. I think it may not be a game but something related to performance capture. He's been doing a ton of it lately. I'm not a part of TeamCG but he could be showing off something related to that at GDC.
 

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One of the Game Informer editors said that he'd heard that Ground Zeroes was downloadable game. So it very well could be the pilot episode experiment that Kojima mentioned recently.
But this is MGS game. A pilot is not needed. It will sell regardless. But I suppose tweaking TPP based on feedback would be nice.
 

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If Ground Zeroes is not Project Ogre(confirmed by Kojima) and if The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are one and the same then The Phantom Pain can't be Project Ogre either. So the question to be asked here, what is Project Ogre then? Mogren has Ogre in it and it is not a coincidence! And since Joakim Mogren is related to The Phantom Pain that led me to believe that TPP is Project Ogre which is therefore a separate game from Ground Zeroes.
Maybe Project Ogre is the marketing campain behind The Phantom Pain.
Maybe TPP is not The Phantom Pain, but a MGS3-2 boss named The Pee-Pee.
Maybe the Carnival of Stupid is already back.