something like Far Cry 2, grizzly popping of bones back in to place and all, would be a better solution, I think.Rlan said:Honestly, if there is going to be a game about Iraq, what the hell would you want as a health system? One hit kill all the way through? Do you really want to go back to the ol' picking up health packs thing?
Rlan said:Honestly, if there is going to be a game about Iraq, what the hell would you want as a health system? One hit kill all the way through? Do you really want to go back to the ol' picking up health packs thing?
If they are trotting around using words like realistic and 'doing right by those fallen' getting shot should seriously impair your ability to soldier on. Regardless of what mechanic they use, they should communicate how bad you messed up by getting yourself shot.Rlan said:Honestly, if there is going to be a game about Iraq, what the hell would you want as a health system? One hit kill all the way through? Do you really want to go back to the ol' picking up health packs thing?
:lolVisualante said:Coming soon: Tom Clancy's Six Day's in Fallujah
bengraven said:Good, now hurry up and port SFIV to Wii.
:lolbengraven said:Good, now hurry up and port SFIV to Wii.
Sir Fragula said:We bitch about games not being considered art, and being stuck with the toy label... but as soon as a game comes along with the potential to tackle a contemporary subject it's "too soon". It's not too soon for TV. It's not too soon for movies or books... so why is it too soon for Games?
Dropping the game because it was bad would have been fine, but dropping the game because some people have a double standard when it comes to interactive entertainment? That's annoying.
Someone posted that the game couldn't be faithful to the events and still be fun. That's not true. You can exagerate some aspects while still being faithful to the events. You can have the player making fifty or a hundred kills in the game without detracting from the message that each kill is hard, the heat of battle can lead to bad decisions and that war is messy, confused hell.
And arguing that a game like this could never be enjoyed? Schindlers List [for example] entertained, not by being full of dancing clowns on jetpowered unicycles mowing down aliens with machettes; but by taking the viewer on a powerful emotional journey. Gaming needs its Schindlers List before it will ever be taken seriously as a storytelling medium.
AniHawk said:Movies romanticized WWII way before video games were even being first developed. Also, it was one war where there's this agreed-upon good vs. evil struggle. Even Germany tries to sweep up what they did 70-80 years ago.
besiktas1 said:The only thing I can think of is how the games medium still hasn't been treated with respect by the mainstream consensus. Though I understand video went through the same thing and came out of it ok, I'm not sure about the future of games.
AniHawk said:ZOE 3.
Konami really doesn't make a lot of great games. Metal Gear Solid, PES, and Mega Man and that's it.
lawblob said:Seems like "criticism" could be a convenient excuse to kill what might have simply been a lame product. Just put UN Squadron on DSiWare and we can forget this whole incident ever happened.
its been going on for everSword Familiar said:So, what's with the Konami/Capcom mixups today anyway? Is this a new meme I've missed or what?
Sword Familiar said:So, what's with the Konami/Capcom mixups today anyway? Is this a new meme I've missed or what?
Ramenman said:It's not new, but it does exist. Though it exists because some people actually mix them up, so if it's not obvious enough you might just want to laugh at them.
I think the original was about Capcom making Castlevania or something.
Prine said:Erm... i think the loss of their son/daughter is painful enough.
Call of Duty.Rez said:regenerating health.
regenerating health.
Rez said:regenerating health.
regenerating health.
AniHawk said:Movies romanticized WWII way before video games were even being first developed. Also, it was one war where there's this agreed-upon good vs. evil struggle. Even Germany tries to sweep up what they did 70-80 years ago.
Loxley said:You know what, I'll say it, I'm disappointed.
I really wanted to see where they would take this, I thought it had the potential to be a very important title for video games as a medium. It amazes me that people are saying "there's no way they could have done this as a video game.", I mean seriously, way to doubt the medium (my word of the day ). Why couldn't they have gotten away with it as a game? If yo can do a game like Heavy Rain, you can do this. A game does not need to be balls to the wall action 100% of the time. We can get away with movies, TV shows, books and comics about the war in Irag, and no one says anything, but as soon as someone comes out and says "We're going to make a video game about the Irag war" people go fucking batshit.
This is because video games are still not seen as a valid form of artistic expression (don't give me that "because its interactive" bullshit), why shouldn't they be allowed as another form of commentary?. I really thought Konami would have the balls to stick to their guns and get this game out there, and I would have had a shitload more respect for them as a developer.
I'm not saying Konami would have made the single-greatest game ever made, nor am I saying I was avidly looking forward to playing it. But I believe one of the more important titles for video games as an artistic medium in recent memory just got shit-canned, and, as I said, I'm disappointed by it.
DF:Black Hawk Down came out only 10 years after the real incident, in which 18 US troops died and 100's of Somalis.neorej said:Just name it Six Days In Mogadishu and see how little the world cares then.
panda21 said:you're basing this all on konami's hype about it
from the previews it sounds much more like COD of war set in fallujah, including marines shouting 'get some' and then charging out in the open blasting arabs rambo style.
also theres a huge difference between simply documenting what happened (e.g generation kill) even if it wasnt particularly nice, and putting you in the position of the person doing it, which is endorsing it to an extent.
charlequin said:It's not that games can't ever be real art or tackle topics like this with sensitivity, it's that they can't yet and this particular game wasn't going to do it.
The expressive capacity of gaming is still in its infancy; we don't even have a Citizen Kane yet, much less works of the breadth and depth that later cinema movements brought about. And the result is the kind of ridiculous juxtaposition we see here, with talk about "respecting" the experiences of the soldiers laid on top of a game with by-the-numbers CoD gameplay.
I wasn't calling for Konami to cancel this game, but I'm not really too sad if it doesn't wind up coming out.
Spirit of Jazz said:It sucks and it's stupid given the release and success of Modern Warfare. However nobody at Konami had the capacity to pull the project off, at least if we base it on their previous works. To be honest I think the only guys willing and capable to pull off anything the whole area of a game set in Iraq or the Middle East where you don't just gun down terrorists on their home soil is the S.W.A.T team.
Wha...SolidSnakex said:Hopefully someone else will pick it up.
Hey why not add a mission where spec ops teams stop the terrorist in those ill fated planes on 9-11?sankt-Antonio said:wait? nobody had a problem with wwII shooters or vietnam or any other war but they bitch about this? ... bah
AmenOpiate said:There's really no way to treat this with respect and also make a video game.
If it were treating the material with respect, you might kill one enemy combatant in the game. There would be no bosses. No health packs. No restoration shields of any kind. And that's just for starters: the full requirements would go much deeper than this.
To give this "proper respect," instead of just making a game, a la CoD or what have you, would be either painful, boring, or both, to most consumers, including those on GAF.
Here's a simple example: if I were to shoot 20 enemy combatants in my career as a real Marine, I would be given every medal under the sun. In "Six Days in Fallujah," that was apparently the first ten minutes of the game.
These people seriously need a reality check. Having seen the early impressions of the game, it's insulting to think these people thought this paid proper homage to the Marines, because if this is what you think is "proper respect," then you have betrayed an utter and complete lack of genuine understanding.
panda21 said:since when has subject matter been the most important part? no one is stopping konami from making arty games.
what they are complaining about is that they were about to make the equivalent of schindlers list with dancing clowns on jetpowered unicycles mowing down aliens with machettes.
panda21 said:what they are complaining about is that they were about to make the equivalent of schindlers list with dancing clowns on jetpowered unicycles mowing down aliens with machettes.
Darkpen said:I liked the idea :/ oh well
TheSonicRetard said:Or turning the holocaust into the story of cats fighting mice, with dogs rushing in to save the mice tom and jerry style.
OH WAIT, they already did that, and it was fucking brilliant. It won a pulitzer prize.
The moral - don't judge a book by it's cover. Or, in this case, don't judge the message by it's medium.
TheSonicRetard said:You know, before we got "Citizen Kane" we got "Birth of a nation", an ambitious, rough around the edges, controversial (albeit for all the wrong reasons) film which emerged at a time when films were nothing but mindless entertainment.
You have to take steps like these before you can get "Citizen Kane." CK wasn't the first ambitious, artsy movie, you know.
luxarific said:but there's a reason there's a delay for these things.
Rlan said:Honestly, if there is going to be a game about Iraq, what the hell would you want as a health system? One hit kill all the way through? Do you really want to go back to the ol' picking up health packs thing?