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What's $300 million over a few years worth when games can cost $100 million nowadays to make?
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Kotaku posts new rumors about Xbox 720/PlayStation 4 (Power, Release Timing)
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What's $300 million over a few years worth when games can cost $100 million nowadays to make?
Well these aren't just Kokatu rumours some of this stuff has been talked about in that PS4 thread for a few weeks now.
Lol wat. ps3 keeps 360 WW just thanks for the europe, & what's wrong with psplus & ps3 games? I think the perception of europe owners about those, is very positive.
It's not but what people have to understand is your most recent impression is what people have to go on when you're unveiling new systems and starting over. I can't assume 720 will be as awesome from the start just because 360 was for the first few years, I have to judge them by their most recent decisions until actual news comes out. It's also why I had no faith at all in Nintendo when Wii U was coming out and why I have total faith in Sony to make me happy as a gamer with PS4. Hell there's a possibility (although it seems to be increasingly small) that I could get PS4 and whatever games are coming at launch in the same year as last of us and beyond on ps3. That's a hell of a year potentially.
Agreed. MS will not wait until E3 to announce, and possibly get drowned out by other noise (announcements) etc.. Instead I predict they will do some kind of dedicated hardware announcement conference (like with Surface but bigger) a few months before E3. Then at E3 everyone is expect the full unveil of the curtin behind the next Xbox. They'll ride the hype train into E3 from the start, garnering attention before it even kicks off. Then with all eyes on them this year they'll unleash.
Then release November 2013.
That's only for a select few and they always tend to include marketing. We also have examples of big AAA games like Gears and Uncharted that cost no where near that much.
This is what I expect to happen as well.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It should continue all the way through.
There is big chance the next xbox will be more powerful but I don't think the difference will be that great at the end, to be so noticeable.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
It's good for the corporation to be have leading hardware, xbox games end up on PC. Keeping gaming a focus on Microsoft as a whole is just something the company will not mess with.
Microsoft can have a 1b worldwide campaign for the console. Including exclusives and many more. They'll get the return by brand awareness. The younger people who buy microsoft products in their youth will be buying microsoft products when they grow up. The next xbox isn't going to be some incompetent console by people new to the business. It'll be their third entry. They have nothing but smooth sailing ahead of them.
Sony probably couldn't even invest on half of that. As their whole company is struggling. They can't risk assets on the console business when it's commonly been a very slow climb. The playstation brand has been deminished by products like the Vita, PS+ may be interesting but on new hardware it's less viable as offering games for free on PS4 will be taking away sales of some games.
Microsoft has yet to respond to PS+, instead of paying 50 a year for gold.. pay 100 a year and get gold and Platinum that gives you 1 or 2 new games every month!
Serious misconceptions of what consumers want is all that could win sony favor. But I don't see microsoft making any errors with their console.
Not really, Fifa 13 freezes my PS3... and sometimes I can not even voice chat with my friends with other ps3's... game inviting is slow and tedious. Its a shitty experiance playing online on PS3 ... hardly social.
Sony fixing all this next gen will be great for playstation fans, but who's to say they will give sony the chance too?
I think the true difference will be in exclusives. So yeah, I am sure Halo, Fable, and Forza will look good.
I really wonder what the price points for these systems are going to be. Consider the iPad at $500. Do they say, we are much more powerful than this, therefore we can charge much more than $500? Or do they try and compete with it as a very different platform in the same bracket.
I probably won't get either at launch, but I will pay close attention.
I probably won't get either at launch, but I will pay close attention.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Are we talking subscription for live or PSN? Because if you mean pricing models for the consoles it would be a brilliant move on their part. If Sony offers Orbis for $100-$150 a year w/ Playstation Plus they will sell like crazy. You will have a cutting edge system at the preceived mass market price. You might not like it but its a very smart business platform.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
I think I would subscribe depending on how long the subscription is. Sounds extremely enticing.
SirIgbyCeaser
Banned
You can't charge people 100-150 per year... that's madness, sony is not the business of loaning money for hardware. Some people could be unable to pay and what do you do? Call financial companies to try get people to pay their bills, and remove their ability to go online or play their console? Take a hit for everyone who decides to stop paying and change their credit card?
Cell phones are part of living life, and communication. That's why people pay for it every month. A console is just for entertainment.
It would work better if it was monthly like a phone bill so say you sign on for a two year contract and pay each month until you own the machine.
Isn't that how the Xbox 360 subscription works?
EDIT:
MS obviously is trailing this for a reason and I do think the next system will offer the same kind of incentive.
A new Xbox system with the same kind of idea attached, the machine with Xbox Live bundled for two years would be quite an inciting manoeuvre for a lot of people.
Forgive me but really your opinion seems more a spot of microsoft than a serious consideration, really. Psplus is very appreciate from the most who has it & what it has to do sony with Fifa 13 online problems? So Blops2 problems are because Live sucks? Sorry, but your argument aren't much serious from my point of view. I hardly doubt Europe will be catch to Microsoft if hasn't been able during the first years of ps3 disaster, I don't see why in the future; yeah, of course sony is famous to screw everything, but it's another matter.
Like all subscription based services there would be the usual credit regulations. Don't pay? Then your account defaults and goes to a credit company who chase up the outstanding ammount.
Just entertainment?
Internet.
Satellite TV.
Netflix type services...
And on and on... Plenty of people are happy to pay subscriptions for entertainment.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Why would they have to send them to collections? They could just lock the system up until you resubscribe. There is no evidence in the retail space to believe this wouldn't succeed. The majority are already paying $50 a year for a service on 360 that admittedly has no perceived value we all just do it because we have to. $50 more(conjecture) for a console with the benefits of Playstation + really has no drawback.
BlockheadBrown
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Both have recognized that there's a "need" for more than just "entertainment" on the console. MS has done very well in this regard. My neighbor's son and his friends now get together virtually in MS Party Chat or whatever it is. They're doing different things, playing games, listening to music, watching Netflix, whatever. They're all together though. Sony kinda has this through Home, but not exactly. I don't know if they're going to have something like MS' solution or not. Consoles are used for entertainment, but they've extended past simply entertainment focused on the individual.
Bingo. Announce before E3 with their own event then do the full media blow out with prices and everything at E3. It's the best way to get out in front of the E3 noise.
Graphics Horse
Member
Just like Vita, don't expect free games right away. They can't start a library of free games at launch, well maybe for $150 but not with free hardware.
MS obviously is trailing this for a reason and I do think the next system will offer the same kind of incentive.
A new Xbox system with the same kind of idea attached, the machine with Xbox Live bundled for two years would be quite an inciting manoeuvre for a lot of people.
The initial $99 will cover most or all of the cost of that 4gb console, but it could be a sign of things to come.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
If they announce at E3 w/ concept videos of the next Halo,Uncharted,Forza, New Ip( that doesn't have to be indicative of anything) Wii U is going to be hard pressed to matter even with new Mario, Zelda announcements.
My feeling is they make up for that w/ sheer amount of subscribers and of course time. What family isn't getting little Johhny a PS4/720 for Christmas when its $150. They might not even realize its a subscription but it won't matter.
My feeling is they make up for that w/ sheer amount of subscribers and of course time. What family isn't getting little Johhny a PS4/720 for Christmas when its $150. They might not even realize its a subscription but it won't matter.
I'm execpting smash bros talk to gain attention on them this year
The new Zelda better be a game changer.
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
It would work better if it was monthly like a phone bill so say you sign on for a two year contract and pay each month until you own the machine.
Isn't that how the Xbox 360 subscription works?
EDIT:
MS obviously is trailing this for a reason and I do think the next system will offer the same kind of incentive.
A new Xbox system with the same kind of idea attached, the machine with Xbox Live bundled for two years would be quite an inciting manoeuvre for a lot of people.
ugh, maybe im underestimating general consumer intelligence but i cant help but feel like contractual shit like this is just so misleading
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Yeah it has to be gorgeous.
Only thing with Smash is its not the kind of game you can impress with visually.
Napalm_Frank
Member
If online play=free then maybe. Otherwise Sony will be #1 in EU next gen I predict unless they do something insanely stupid.
If Sony ditches free PSN then all bets are off.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
Truth is though, people will buy Wii U for those games anyway, and that's something Nintendo probably has realized for a long time now. If the Wii U catches on to the degree the Wii did, then that's icing on the cake. So, it seems to me that Nintendo is fine and will probably stay that way for a while, but who knows, who am I to say that?
Well it's the thing isn't it.
These deals rely on people wanting things now. People could save for a couple of months and get it or they could get it all now and pay it off month by month.
I don't think I'd do it personally but I would bet a lot of people would
I think we learned with twilight princess and skyward sword that Zelda will not be changing any games. (Zelda 2 and majoras mask were the best ones)
Of course. But another important factor is xbox is a very US/UK 'centric' in a lot of aspects. Outside those countries, xbox is not considered at all a 'universal' console, if it's clear what I mean. It's a big obstacle which microsoft seems unable to overtake, in the others regions.
Traditionally you pay more using a subscription based payment when it comes to hardware.
Buying upfront for hardware will always be cheaper. You pay a premium for the convenience.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
Speaking of PSN, I really hope mics are bundled with every PS4. I loved how everyone I knew was able to chat online when I played 360. On the PS3 most people didn't have mics but it's a lot better nowadays with more bluetooth devices available and stuff.
And the current sub plan is doing extremely well for the test demographic who actually can get into it (It's pretty difficult when compared to just...you know...going down the street to ANY STORE and picking one up).
Are you guessing or is there some hard info out there?
The subscription plan was a deal before, but after the recent price drop, it's a rip off.
I think it's safe to say Europe is still SonyLand. Look at the software/hardware sales for example. Also I wouldn't be surprised if many of the members here from Europe are also the same members who prefer the PS3. MS should concentrate on that region since it's the market with the most growth potential for them IMO, but I think it'll be an uphill battle.
No, not at all. Prices lowers, you expand your marketing and direction to reach a new demographic that is generally more price conscious.
If they plan to launch next year, I'll be disappointed if they only have concept videos or pointless tech demos. =p
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Nintendo is of course going to be totally fine but I don't see them achieving the success the Wii again. When you step back and look at the Wii as far as it reflects on Nintendo does it show a brilliant change in company development and philosophy that was absent with the N64-Cube? Not in my opinion. They still have horrible 3rd party support they still have no concept how to put together a online based OS, they still make terrible business decisions they just fell into this perfect storm of factors with the Wii. I expect them to be in a solid 3rd place this gen and beyond.
Tallshortman
Member
The fact they keep buying considerably more PS3's in Europe speaks to who will give sony the chance. Speaking of which Fifa 13 doesn't freeze on my PS3 and I've never had trouble doing voice chat. I'm not sure why you think your experience is somehow indicative of everyone's given those two issues haven't been normal or widespread as far as I'm aware.
Teletraan1
Banned
This is why I think it is important for Sony to launch at the same time or before MS. This gen they gave them a year to build up this mind share. It also extended to games journos as well. "Well my friends are all on LIVE so I am going to get a 360 to play with them." Maybe that dies off a bit with a generation change, perhaps people are sick of paying for free services and would gladly switch if both options are available right away. These types of gamers wont be able to hold off a next gen hype boner until Sony gets its shit together and finally decides to launch after MS.
It must be irresistible at this point they know the base will happily pay for it. Online being free on the PS3 was always down to Sony having to start from the bottom and keep the goodwill of their users. They promised it would stay free for the PS3 .
This new machine will probably mean a change in that promise. I think they'll put more and more features behind PSNPlus on the new machine, And if they end up keeping online free they'll make it as barebones as possible.
So you'll have to subscribe.
Sorry but I doubt 360 has sold just for the friends community, it sounds really a semplicistic vision from my point of view. I think the more acceasible price has been the major factor.
CaptainZombie
Member
Not sure where you are getting this from as Sony did a ton of market research with surveys and focus groups for PS+ before it became this service. Many of us recall filling out these services on what we would want from a paid service if they offered one. So where are there misconceptions on PS+ by Sony?
Graphics Horse
Member
Bundled with a cable TV contract then? That could be quite cheap if Cable TV charges are as expensive as they look like. No idea how that idea would perform outside the US.
Sentenza
Member
And you didn't read yet their article about The hobbit feeling like a videogame.
That was some serious trash.
They will still produce some amazing games for the industry as well though, nintendo has never been about huge 3rd party support, they build a system for themselves to release their games on and the 3rd party support is just a bonus.
- I'm sure they'll be a massive marketing campaign for the next Xbox just like I'm sure they'll be one for the PS4.
- If that were true wouldn't it apply to Sony as well?
- And this will be Sony's fourth. I'm not really seeing your point.
- Gaming is one of Sony's most profitable ventures and a new home console is something that they'll put their full weight behind.
- If RRoD didn't damage the Xbox brand then no poor performing handheld will damage the Playstation brand.
If sony follow the microsoft path, they could shot in its feet to the start. Most of ps3 owners are happy to have a choice.
Teletraan1
Banned
Please highlight where I said this was the only reason the 360 sold or maybe read what I was replying to. You need to get any advantage you can to draw people back that you lost from PS2 if you are Sony. Improving their own online service to match the features that were lacking this gen and getting people in early will help.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
If the next Xbox launches before Playstation, I'll be buying that first. I just hope they launch with some new ip instead of relying on the same Forza/Fable/Halo trio.