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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on

benny_a

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We hear that it will also be technically capable of supporting the Oculus Rift

6 USB ports confirmed!
 
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So IF I'm getting this right:

XB1 Slim this year...

XB1.5 Next Year ( not a new generation but 1.5 like PS4K )...

Yeah this seems more reasonable than starting a complete new generation in 2017.
 
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Sony's gotta be considering a spec upgrade for the Neo. The difference between the Scorpio and the Neo sounds very substantial.
i mean we don't even know what the spec difference is so to say it's substantial is odd.

I honestly wonder what Microsoft expects of something like an Xbox 1.5 and how they'll respond if it fails to meet their expectations.

Are they expecting it to reinvigorate the brand and boost sales, or are they doing it solely because Sony is doing the same thing and they feel like they have to compete?
i feel like xbox 1.5 rumours have been around longer than ps4k.
 

M.D

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I honestly wonder what Microsoft expects of something like an Xbox 1.5 and how they'll respond if it fails to meet their expectations.

Are they expecting it to reinvigorate the brand and boost sales, or are they doing it solely because Sony is doing the same thing and they feel like they have to compete?
 

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Very awesome. I'll definitely be going the route of buying new consoles rather than keeping my PC up to date. Wish it was ready this year, but I'll be there day one for sure.
 

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Sony's gotta be considering a spec upgrade for the Neo. The difference between the Scorpio and the Neo sounds very substantial.
If Sony is really going to launch NEO this year it'll be suicide to go back to the drawing board to try and upgrade the current project. In tech there's always the chance of something better coming 6 months later; you have to make a decision and stick to it.

I don't think Sony is going to launch NEO just to say that they have the most powerful console, they just want something that it's able to support PSVR with the quality users demand.
 

gamz

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So IF I'm getting this right:

XB1 Slim this year...

XB1.5 Next Year ( not a new generation but 1.5 like PS4K )...

Yeah this seems more reasonable than starting a complete new generation in 2017.
We don't know that. It has to be substantial to support rift.
 

Dabanton

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I'm not sure I agree. It comes down to software ultimately. Being able to use a device on both platforms isn't worth much if there's not good software and games to drive that. Also iirc Sony didn't rule out the possibility of PSVR PC support right?
But that also presents a problem more for Sony than MS as we've seen with Kinect.

An add on is only as good as the games for it that draw people in and get them to invest in the software. Sony will now have to support the PSVR with a significant investment in software. Plus also balance that out with non VR games.
 

RoboPlato

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Sony's gotta be considering a spec upgrade for the Neo. The difference between the Scorpio and the Neo sounds very substantial.
The only difference we know of based on these leaks is the time of release. Scorpio could definitely be stronger given the extra time but it also may opt to go for less expensive hardware that just meets the Oculus minimum. We'll have to see how it pans out. It could see both options making sense for MS.
 

SOR5

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So basically Microsoft is taking Valve's failure of the Steambox, infuse it with their brand. And ride the money route home. Good idea
Xbone has always been a box running Windows 10
You market one powerful console well, it'll sell fine.
One or two other alternate devices with the same name wont hurt as well (Chromecast, Chromecast audio)

Steam Machines were about a thousand different variants, with a thousand different brands, and had zero marketing
 

Renekton

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I can guarantee you it won't be Zen.

Jaguar was at the low-end of the AMD CPU portfolio even at the time of the consoles' release, it's a netbook CPU architecture while Zen will be a desktop CPU architecture, said to be on par with Intel's Broadwell/Skylake, targeting high-end users. Not feasible in 2017 for consoles by any stretch of the imagination.
The possible die shot leaks came out and some people say the cores don't look that big.
 

LukasTaves

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It gets clearer and clearer to me that Ms will bring xbox library to Pc (ogxbox, 360 and xblig) and the pc library to xbox (through centennial).

Interesting times ahead.
 

J-Skee

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This might be the last time I own a console.

I'll enjoy these machines until the new ones are announced, and then I'll sell them off and upgrade my PC.

I would have stayed with one of the manufacturers if they had stuck to a regular 5 year cycle, but with both of them going to 2/3 year increments there is just no point for me to have a console.
I see a lot of people saying this. I think a good way for at least Sony to salvage this is to allow their 20 year library to be purchased & downloaded on whatever hardware you buy in the future.
 

jbug617

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I honestly wonder what Microsoft expects of something like an Xbox 1.5 and how they'll respond if it fails to meet their expectations.

Are they expecting it to reinvigorate the brand and boost sales, or are they doing it solely because Sony is doing the same thing and they feel like they have to compete?
I think they feel power in the device is a big reason why they lost this generation. When all 3rd party games look better and perform better on PS4.
 

azertydu91

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We don't know that. It has to be substantial to support rift.
I think it has to be substantial for a pc to support rift but a console and games optimized for it maybe not that much.

Look at it that way the playstation 4 can run the PSVR is the oculus that more demanding that doublig the power of a console is not enough?
 

Hoo-doo

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Very awesome. I'll definitely be going the route of buying new consoles rather than keeping my PC up to date. Wish it was ready this year, but I'll be there day one for sure.
How does this make you want to switch from PC to Xbox? If anything i'd think it would be the other way around. Especially with the Xbox library basically all coming to PC.
 

Boke1879

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I hope people now get used to the idea of iterative consoles and we don't go through the same song and dance we in the NEO threads
 

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Soooooooooooooooo, obviously i think we need to take an actual look at these iterative consoles before properly judge them, but i dont really like how this sounds.
If the cost of each iteration is going to be the same as a normal console, i dont know why any of you would be eager to see this happen.
 

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Xbox TV will be as successful as Windows phone is to iPhone, not that I imagine Apple TV is very successful. They're 10 years late to that party. The iterative console I can get behind.
 
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Obviously. I was speaking based on the rumored Neo specs and this Scorpion oculus support stuff.
i mean supporting rift doesn't tell that it's a high spec'ed monster box. the absolute minimum requirements aren't far off what the Xbone has now.
 

krae_man

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So iterative consoles are the future atleast for now.
Question is:

-How often do they iterate? Every year? Two years?
-How old of a box will no longer play new games? 2 years? 4 years? 6 years?
-How often will the old box version be competent and how often will it be a broken pile of crap?
 

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So IF I'm getting this right:

XB1 Slim this year...

XB1.5 Next Year ( not a new generation but 1.5 like PS4K )...

Yeah this seems more reasonable than starting a complete new generation in 2017.
If XB 1.5 launches next year, that means they can go with a ZEN + VEGA combo, but we shall see, it's possible that such a combo might require too much power-draw and too heavy a price point for a console, but it will be interesting to know how it pans out.
 

Withnail

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Sony's gotta be considering a spec upgrade for the Neo. The difference between the Scorpio and the Neo sounds very substantial.
If it's coming six months later and MS don't want to price themselves out of the market then it seems rather unlikely the difference will be "very substantial".
 

Leflus

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I hope people now get used to the idea of iterative consoles and we don't go through the same song and dance we in the NEO threads
It's nice to want things. :p

People won't get used to them until they've been officially announced and released.
 

Vince DiCola

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I'm really not excited by this iterative releases. If they keep the price down then it'll be less shit but still, I'm a console gamer because I like buying a console and knowing that I won't need another one for 5-10 years.

I'm not pleased
 

firelogic

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If the Oculus thing is true, PSVR just got quite the slap in the face, since it makes much more sense to get a Rift, which works on PC and Xbox One instead of a VR device that only works on the PS4.
Not really. The biggest barrier is always price. Unless they reduce its capabilities to lower the price at which point it'll be a PSVR anyway.
 

Rellik

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Soooooooooooooooo, obviously i think we need to take an actual look at these iterative consoles before properly judge them, but i dont really like how this sounds.
If the cost of each iteration is going to be the same as a normal console, i dont know why any of you would be eager to see this happen.
If the cost is the same then I may as well just put all my money into buying the top XX80 Nvida card each series.
 

gofreak

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We don't know that. It has to be substantial to support rift.
A PS4K-alike (per rumours) would be substantial enough for that. The GPU would be 3-4x Xbox One's if it's in the same ballpark. It doesn't have to be a leap of the traditional inter-generational scale to meet that requirement.