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Lady causes road accident to save ducks crossing the road
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OpinionatedCyborg
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she can't save jon jones forever
shadyspace
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Probably should have put that a teenage girl died because of this in the title OP
JoeyJungle
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If she had time to get out of the car, then couldn't have been a sudden stop that caused this. I don't know why the motos didn't see her stopping and slow down.
echoshifting
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She stopped and got out of her car, in a passing lane on a highway. I suspect this was a visibility issue, not following distance. The details are confusing, though.
Letterbomb
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Sounds harsh, but seriously, run over animals on the road, unless that collision would cause an accident. Only excusable time to go out of the way for critters on the road is when you're absolutely sure that there is no one around you and that your swerving won't lead to a dangerous situation. Sad event all around.
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/father...ar-to-help-ducks-prosecutor-alleges-1.1850997
Yea, their own fault for going into a parked car on the highway.
Yea, their own fault for going into a parked car on the highway.
echoshifting
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I feel like an image of the spot where this happened would be helpful
That's what I was thinking...they were following too closely if they couldn't break in time. It's too bad this lady couldn't have seen the ducks sooner so she could have had a more gradual brake, but I think these charges are a bit much.
edit: Oh, the 2nd article makes it more clear, she was completely stopped and out of the car.
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fallingseastar
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She was in the passing lane so this was a dumb move. Also doesn't say if she put her hazard lights on or not. What a horrible thing to happen.
Read the OP. She was standing outside of her car.
Read the OP. She was standing outside of her car.
polyh3dron
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Um it is.
If a car in front has stopped for whatever reason, you don't just pile into the back of it.
Unless they were behind a blind bend or something.
blind bend = cautious speed, on a motorcycle.
Yeah, first article didn't make that clear...I guess that sort of changes my opinion, but how could the bikers not have seen a parked car?
If they didnt have time to stop they were either going to fast or they were not paying attention to the road (unless it was a blind turn)
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/father...ar-to-help-ducks-prosecutor-alleges-1.1850997
No hazards, diminished visibility, and allegedly traveling at 80km/h.
Got to help them ducks.
In my experience motorcycles are anything but.
They over-take whenever they feel like it and treat queues of traffic like some sort of maze they can zip in and out of.
I see them all the time and they are so reckless.
This all points to.. me slowing down if theres diminished visibility, esp with my family. Unfortunate accident.
Oh no, Im just saying what you, as a responsible motorcyclist should do. If you cant see, you slow down. If its a blind bend, you slow down. Sucks.
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I have a friend who is all sentimental for animals. Was driving with him once and he swerved in the car just to avoid hitting a pigeon. He doesn't even kill the ants in his house and just swats them away off the countertops.
I've done way more reckless things operating a motor vehicle before so not speaking from the position of a high horse, but that kind of thing rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're a psychopathic dick if you intentionally run over animals when you can safely maneuver around them but please be mindful that ultimately human life is more important and it's unethical to endanger it for such a cause. Especially for fucking ducks, this isn't even a case of a sentimental family dog or an endangered species.
I've done way more reckless things operating a motor vehicle before so not speaking from the position of a high horse, but that kind of thing rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're a psychopathic dick if you intentionally run over animals when you can safely maneuver around them but please be mindful that ultimately human life is more important and it's unethical to endanger it for such a cause. Especially for fucking ducks, this isn't even a case of a sentimental family dog or an endangered species.
I'm honestly struggling really hard to understand the article.
There's a few scenarios:
#1: She stops. Gets out of the car. Leaves door open. The family behind her is going so close that they can't respond in time and crashes (this is unlikely because she wouldn't have time to get out of the car).
#2: She stops. Gets out of car. Leaves door open. The family was at a safe distance away, but don't (for whatever reason) notice that she has stopped. This is unusual as they should be able to see that they are quickly closing in (unless the highway is bent).
#3: She stops. Gets out of car. Leaves door open. The family is on the other lane. The highway is so narrow that they have NOWHERE to go because of the open door. They crash into the door/narrowly avoid it. Some people die.
Can someone please clarify?
There's a few scenarios:
#1: She stops. Gets out of the car. Leaves door open. The family behind her is going so close that they can't respond in time and crashes (this is unlikely because she wouldn't have time to get out of the car).
#2: She stops. Gets out of car. Leaves door open. The family was at a safe distance away, but don't (for whatever reason) notice that she has stopped. This is unusual as they should be able to see that they are quickly closing in (unless the highway is bent).
#3: She stops. Gets out of car. Leaves door open. The family is on the other lane. The highway is so narrow that they have NOWHERE to go because of the open door. They crash into the door/narrowly avoid it. Some people die.
Can someone please clarify?
With a motorcyclist supposedly waving his hands at the lady on the shoulder
So um
If he is waving his hands, would that not be someone who is not paying attention to the road and not properly controlling their motorcycle?
^ they didnt hit the door, they hit the rear of the car
It sounds like sillyness on both sides.
One women stopping where she shouldn't on a fast road.
Motorcycles going too fast in bad weather and crashing into an obstacle they should of avoided.
The lady shouldn't be to blame for the deaths, but she should be fined for stopping where she shouldn't
One women stopping where she shouldn't on a fast road.
Motorcycles going too fast in bad weather and crashing into an obstacle they should of avoided.
The lady shouldn't be to blame for the deaths, but she should be fined for stopping where she shouldn't
Lady was outside of the car with no mention of emergency lights, or any lights at all, from the vehicle at night...
Edit: Second hand account said the sun was setting so depending on which way the sun is facing could it could definitely have impeded eyesight.
echoshifting
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Yeah I'm really struggling to figure out how he had time to yell at her and wave his hands but not swerve or stop. Just a mistake, I guess. It's not like he wanted to hit her.
EatinOlives
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#2 I think. The second article in the OP states that just before the motorcycle accident there was a third car that served and avoided the stopped vehicle, so #3 wouldn't be possible. And it's not #1, because the first article states that the car was completely stopped, the lady was out of the car, and the door was open at the time of the accident.
EDIT: It was dusk, so depending on where this was it could've been hard to tell that the vehicle was completely stopped.
Have to agree with this. There are any number of reasons that a car could be stopped on the freeway (traffic ahead, broken down, etc.).
If you're driving so fast that you don't have time to brake and run into the ass end of a stopped car, you're being needlessly reckless.
From reading it sounds like number two. She stopped and got out of her car to chase the ducks off the road. The family on the motorcycles appear to have driven into the back of her car (which was taking up one of the two lanes).
I had to run over a family of ducks on the highway a few years ago.
I was driving on a 2 lane highway going 55-65mph early in the morning. There were no cars in front of me and a couple of vehicles about 50 yards behind me. I saw the mother duck and 6 or 7 ducklings crossing the highway slowly in a line. I slowed down as much as I thought I could on a highway (10-15mph) but never considered stopping. By the time I got to them the mother had made it across but I plowed straight over most of the ducklings.
I felt bad about it for a while and my wife was pretty horrified but there is no real choice when you are on a highway, you don't stop.
I was driving on a 2 lane highway going 55-65mph early in the morning. There were no cars in front of me and a couple of vehicles about 50 yards behind me. I saw the mother duck and 6 or 7 ducklings crossing the highway slowly in a line. I slowed down as much as I thought I could on a highway (10-15mph) but never considered stopping. By the time I got to them the mother had made it across but I plowed straight over most of the ducklings.
I felt bad about it for a while and my wife was pretty horrified but there is no real choice when you are on a highway, you don't stop.
ss_lemonade
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They were probably driving too close to the first vehicle that switched lanes and didn't see the parked car.
But that ctvnews article says that the father was waving his hands at Czornobaj, meaning he had the time to do that and not enough time to notice the stopped vehicle in front of him?
But that ctvnews article says that the father was waving his hands at Czornobaj, meaning he had the time to do that and not enough time to notice the stopped vehicle in front of him?
Is it really that hard to imagine? A get out of the way followed immediately by a crash. I'm going to guess this was a dark car without lights on with reduced visibility? The reason she might lose is the no hazards.
EatinOlives
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Unfortunately both sides were at fault it sounds like. The motorcyclist had enough time to warn his wife, which sounds like he had ample time to avoid the vehicle like the witness car did. The stopped car lady is a complete idiot for completely halting in a damn highway and even getting out of her car, with no hazard lights on. You shouldn't even slam your breaks to avoid crossing animals, let alone completely stop and get out of the car.
echoshifting
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No, I suppose it's not hard to imagine. I am speculating about how it might have turned out differently and wishing it hadn't gone the way it did...and I am questioning the decision-making involved, yeah. It's an awful situation.
entremet
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Two people died. A motorcyclist, her father, and the girl, his daughter.
Sad story all round. Very dumb move by the driver on a highway no less.
ChainedMaster
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Poltergust
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Considering how the car was completely stopped and that the woman was outside of her vehicle, I can't see this being anymore than an unfortunate accident. At most, she should be charged with stopping her vehicle on a highway without necessity (as the article mentioned), but I think the charges against her dealing with the crash should be dropped.
Pretty awful situation all around, though.
Pretty awful situation all around, though.
My first reaction was why she didn't park on the shoulder of the highway. But after rereading it seems there was a median(which I assume is a concrete or rebar traffic barrier).
She shouldn't have stopped. I feel bad for her and the victims family(the wife). She was trying to do a kind gesture but that stopping on a highway lane like that is an absolute no-no.
She shouldn't have stopped. I feel bad for her and the victims family(the wife). She was trying to do a kind gesture but that stopping on a highway lane like that is an absolute no-no.
shadyspace
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Yeah, I read it as just the girl. Man, that is awful. Motorcycles suck.
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