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Ynos Yrros said:
You forgot to mention the negatives which bring the game down from the 9.5 it deserves to an 8.
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You forgot to mention the negatives which bring the game down from the 9.5 it deserves to an 8.
â Narayan
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You = DumbassThirdEye said:
:lol
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Sir Fragula said:
In your opinion. Imo they are essential and Lost Odyssey is a good example of that for this gen. Half life had a nice story but its overall its presentation wasn't that good.
BobsRevenge
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Half Life 2 isn't close to the greatest cinematic game of our time. The game isn't very movie-like at all. At all. Its designed to not be cinematic.Sir Fragula said:
Like, specifically designed to not be cinematic.
Greatest cinematic game of our time is probably Mafia or one of the MGS games.
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BobsRevenge said:
:lol
MGS4 could be 29 hours of cinematics and 1 hour of gameplay and a lot of people in this thread would defend that.
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn - 8
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 8
The Curse of Monkey Island - 8
Devil May Cry 3 - 8
Doom - 8
ICO - 8
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 8
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 8
Super Metroid - 8
System Shock 2 - 8
Thief - 8
MGS4 is in far better company with an 8 than it is sharing a spot with GTAIV.
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night - 8
The Curse of Monkey Island - 8
Devil May Cry 3 - 8
Doom - 8
ICO - 8
Metal Gear Solid 2 - 8
Metal Gear Solid 3 - 8
Super Metroid - 8
System Shock 2 - 8
Thief - 8
MGS4 is in far better company with an 8 than it is sharing a spot with GTAIV.
Ahh Edges score really implies that MGS4 still is a traditional "MGS" experience. I was afraid that it would turn out to be too much of a sandbox structure with huge levels. I expected Snake Eater to have these enormous free jungle-sections but it turned out to be really compressed and simplified. Which only served the gameplay and immersion for me.
It's really good we have some reasonable criticism on these AAA-titles. It's my most wanted game of this gen, but I really don't give a shit about these reviews that mention only the good things. No game's perfect.
People who cry about these 8/10 scores are effectively tainting the release of one of the finest games this gen. Suck it up.
It's really good we have some reasonable criticism on these AAA-titles. It's my most wanted game of this gen, but I really don't give a shit about these reviews that mention only the good things. No game's perfect.
People who cry about these 8/10 scores are effectively tainting the release of one of the finest games this gen. Suck it up.
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BobsRevenge said:
yeah, half life 2 has a great story...it is not even close to the greatest cinematic game...it doesnt even feel that cinematic at all.
Uncharted and Crysis however are very cinematic...crysis because of seemless integration....the halo jump at the beginning is amazing
Edge is more critical in its reviews than most, but they certainly have their own biases....I dont actually think their reviews are particularly great, but this is because they contain very little content and are too brief to go indepth
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
If you're laughing because you don't think Mafia has the best presented cinematic style and story in video gaming then :lol right back atcha. On the PC its a masterpiece of cinematic gaming and I've never played another game that's topped it for emotional impact or just great storytelling in a cinematic style. Playing it feels like you're in Goodfellas. Its absolutely awesome.DevelopmentArrested said:
But yeah, if MGS4 was 29 hours of cinematics and 1 hour of gameplay I'd still buy it. I'd just watch it as a television show and be confused when the video stops and I'm expected to do something. :lol :lol
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No, the game just doesn't conform to conventional 'cinematic' concepts, like relinquishing control or the first-person view to tell the story.BobsRevenge said:
I suppose in a way it depends how you define cinematic. But then again if you get too strict then the length of MGS4 is going to stop it falling into the 'cinematic' category as much as H-L2's refusal to remove the player from Freeman's perspective.
Ynos Yrros
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That is so true. I bow in front of your wisdom.EviLore said:
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EviLore said:
Hehe if you put it that way I agree with the score...
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Ynos Yrros said:
stubborns said:
Sounds alright to me. It's not like it's shit score.
In other news, how did Grid get a 9? Fun demo, but nothing that impressed the hell out of me. Was mp amazing or something?
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Welll...proposition said:
I assume the word cinematic comes from the word "cinema". As in a movie. Half Life is specifically designed to not be like a movie. I mean, like you said it depends on how you define it and this is how I define it.
Crysis was very cinematic because it actually played out like a movie. Still never left first person view. Very rarely relinquished control because that's the only way to present certain story elements realistically (in a game design sense).
Also, Lost Winds is no 8. I got it for free (thanks Anihawk), it's a 6 or 7 or something. It's a unique concept that is painfully unrealized to its full potential. Short and some may say "sweet", but I'd say sort of tangy. It's gotta be expanded upon to be anything more than the serene, flowing platformer that has very little ambition. It's so unchallenging, that its peacefulness runs risk of actually lulling the player to sleep.
Lost Winds 2 should try harder.
That's the most care I could muster for review scores.
Lost Winds 2 should try harder.
That's the most care I could muster for review scores.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Oh definitely not. I'm one of those weird guys who loved all the cinematics in Xenosaga Ep. 1. I eat that shit up. Most people don't.Joe211 said:
Ynos Yrros
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There are 3 PS2 exclusives that got a 9 from them if I remember correctly. No PS3 exclusive managed to do that, 4 360 titles, 3 for XBox, 4 for Wii and 3 for GCN.Seiken said:
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Ynos Yrros said:
Therefore, they are anti-PS3 right?
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Well then do you define The Blair Witch Project as cinematic? It didn't conform to many cinematic conventions.BobsRevenge said:
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UhuhIssun23 said:
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DevelopmentArrested said:
That was exactly my conclusion to the post as well, transparent.
I can see what you're trying to say, but the only games on that list that deserve higher are BG2 and Monkey Island... whereas I can't think of a single Edge 10/10 that I wouldn't agree deserves the ranking, even though I dislike many of them personally. Their 10s to date include the following right?EviLore said:
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Super Mario 64
Gran Turismo
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
Halo
Half Life 2
Halo 3
Orange Box
Mario Galaxy
Grand Theft Auto IVThat seems mighty company to me.
EDIT: On second thoughts, I'm not really concerned either way. Review scores haven't shaped a purchasing decision of mine for years. I mean, I play Europa Universalis 3 regularly...
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EviLore said:
interesting.
BobsRevenge
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Its not cinematic. Its cinema. Its already a damn movie.proposition said:
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'Hums Diff'rent Strokes theme tune'
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zoukka said:
heh and for me the biggest eyebrow raisers were GTA4 & Halo3. The others having a 10 seemed about right (although Halo1 is a bit debatable)
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So what is your definition of cinematic? Half-Life 2 follows lots of ideas from Blair Witch, but MGS4 doesn't. No movies are 30 hours long, and even the two longest cutcscenes, at over 90 minutes, when combined are longer that the majority of movies.BobsRevenge said:
'Cinematic games' is quite a nebulous concept to me. It's not a very well defined term.
speedpop said:
It's about e-penis waving. "My favoured game is better than your favoured game because it got a XX and yours got a YY"
Devaluing one's own opinion by pointing to a review score as some sort of ultimate judge and jury. Present and defend your own opinion, don't point to reviewers or review consensus to do the job for you.
I can understand the place of reviews with regard to providing buyer advice, but the reason people get so worked up in debates like this online has nothing to do with that.
It's all even more ridiculous when you consider how shady the world of game reviewing is.
EviLore said:
I was gonna say "How could you forget Deus Ex???" but I just checked and it got a 9. Should have been a 10 though. An Edge 8 is good anyway, but for all the previews I was hoping for a 9 at least. As for GTA4, once I read their preview one or 2 months before the review issue, I knew they were going to award it a 10.
