Megatron
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This is on PS4? I always thought it was pc only. Nice marketing effort.
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LawBreakers' peak concurrent Steam playerbase dropped to 431 today [Up2: Down to 302]
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This is on PS4? I always thought it was pc only. Nice marketing effort.
Darryl M R
Member
It's a good game though it didn't make it into my PS4 budget for the release date. I hope it has a R6 rise in popularity.
RedlineRonin
Member
"We want to be like Warframe that grows and grows without you even noticing it."
This blows my mind.
I was so heavy into Warframe in 2012. I think I had almost 600 hours into that game over 18ish months and then just dropped it cold turkey.
I never would have imagined that graph of ever increasing popularity.
I loved it though, just other stuff came along to play.
As an aside I really wish these games that go forever and ever would provide some sort of reintroduction tutorials. I'd prolly still play warframe today, but last time I logged in I was completely and entirely overwhelmed by everything I was looking at. Hardly even looked like the same game anymore.
I would think they are praying for Lawbreakers' numbers right about
Ploid 3.0
Member
Should have been F2P.
Overwatch got lucky, I expected that one to be F2P also. Loot boxes are making them a ton of money, and the popularity of it ensured sales even though it's just PVP on a slim amount of maps, and a slow output of new characters over the year too. While I like the shorts, that loot box money could have been better used for actual gameplay stuff.
Overwatch got lucky, I expected that one to be F2P also. Loot boxes are making them a ton of money, and the popularity of it ensured sales even though it's just PVP on a slim amount of maps, and a slow output of new characters over the year too. While I like the shorts, that loot box money could have been better used for actual gameplay stuff.
Sad Affleck
Member
I feel bad for Cliff and the rest of the developers. It's got to be very tough seeing the game you poured blood, sweat and tears into fail in such horrible fashion. The multiplayer shooter market is brutal.
hydrophilic attack
Member
lowbreakers
dugdug
Banned
Same, takes literally seconds to get into a game on PS4.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Damn, I knew it was doing rough but whoa
Forgot about that game completely until this post
Forgot about that game completely until this post
I don't think it would have made a difference in the grand scheme of things. Terrible timing between the PUBG phenomenon, Overwatch releasing Doomfist, a plethora of other popular shooters and that is before considering the onslaught this fall. The MP FPS market is the most crowded it has been in a long time with people investing hundreds and hundreds of hours in various franchises.
AcademicSaucer
Member
That game seems good, it needed more appealing characters
Stormblessed
Member
Expected. I hope the people still playing are able to get some enjoyment from it, and I look forward to the post-mortem (should one be done). I think there are a lot of lessons that can be learned from what happened with this game, given how many mistakes were made.
xDUMPWEEDx
Banned
The Thor 2 of FPS games perhaps?
Is there good timing now? It kind of seems like the market condition we used to call "bad timing" is now just the default market in gaming. 2017 has been a ridiculous year of releases. There seems to be very few times the release calendar isn't absolutely stacked, and this isn't even counting games already out that are dropping new DLC or free content. The industry is just crazy competitive right now.
not an fps but
This game litterally had no marketing at all and there was no review copies sent out what so ever from what I can understand + matchmaking didn't work for more than a month after it's release.
OttoSporteman
Member
I am not the one to root for anyone or anything to fail but it's a little good attitude adjustment for Cliff B.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
This idea would probably be laughed at, but they could add a single player campaign to it. Tell us the events before and after the Shattering.
Unreal Tournament did it.
I'm not that competitive with shooters. I'm more of a Destiny player than I am an Overwatch player. I was following this game for a long time, but I fell out of the loop.
I think it needs something else. Granted UT was always MP. The guy got most of his public recognition from Gears of War. A game that was heavily drenched in single player as well as multiplayer. To me, it's like going straight to the tap without mingling with everybody in the room.
Do cutscene character backgrounds/bios like Twisted Metal Black.
Unreal Tournament did it.
I'm not that competitive with shooters. I'm more of a Destiny player than I am an Overwatch player. I was following this game for a long time, but I fell out of the loop.
I think it needs something else. Granted UT was always MP. The guy got most of his public recognition from Gears of War. A game that was heavily drenched in single player as well as multiplayer. To me, it's like going straight to the tap without mingling with everybody in the room.
Do cutscene character backgrounds/bios like Twisted Metal Black.
edgefusion
Member
This was it for me. I played the beta but there wasn't a character I clicked with, they all seemed sort of the same in a dudebro, generic kind of way. Even then you can only play as a character if you happen to load into a match on their team, either 'law' or 'breaker', granted they share identical abilities but it doesn't feel the same.
TheSpoiler
Member
Nah, Cliffy ain't the only one who's taking a hit from the lack of sales/players here.
theangrypirate
Member
Nothing about this game looked unique or interesting. It looked like a Unreal Tournament remake. I loved Gears of War and I would have bought almost any single player game Cliffy B made but this game just seems downright boring. I had zero interest when it was announced, zero interest when it was previewed, and zero interest now. Cliffy made the game he wanted but holy shit he should have consulted some other people to see if anyone wanted to play this game. I can guarantee you nobody in Cliffy's company thought this was going to make any money.
If something goes south for a company, it's always the execs and higher ups who take the L, of course. Oh wait
I doubt Nexon will give Cliff a choice. If they say it's going f2p, it's going f2p.
Battlegrounds is hot right now. What do you expect? I've never played anything like Battlegrounds before and I'm loving it. Lawbreakers looks fun, but it looks like a pretty safe arena shooter. I wish the scale was bigger like Tribes or Unreal or they would have gone for something more unique.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
raginrapids
Member
Seems about right.
I'd argue that the zero gravity areas are quite unique. Paired up with the blindfire mechanics you can use to not only shoot at the enemies chasing you, but boost your speed while flying through.
not an fps but
Deformers was one of the most amusing combination of godawful terrible decisions. Fucking 35$ for the game when giant online games like PUBG, Rocket League, CS GO, etc are sold for less.
That sounds unique and fun, but more fun than Battlegrounds? Not for me. If they were the only new shooter then yes that's great, but there's something else pushing the envelope on what shooters can be.
Seth Enosh
Member
Marketing for this game was poor. Picked it up on pc this weekend after hearing about it. Played for a while and it was fun. Didn't have issue getting into matches although it sometimes matches you into a generic unbalanced death match for a bit while it fills out teams on both sides (great feature by the way).
It's definitely not an easy game to master though. I watched some videos on YouTube for techniques and found out about stuff like bunny hopping which I didn't know about. Some of the experienced players seemed to be able to move about the map really fast.
This game should have been on Xbox to take advantage of CliffyB's work on gears, which was Xbox only and has its loyal fans still on Xbox. Although maybe the player base on PS4 is better than steam.
Also the game doesn't seem a good fit for f2p right now, as the heroes are really just classes and there aren't that many of them.
It's definitely not an easy game to master though. I watched some videos on YouTube for techniques and found out about stuff like bunny hopping which I didn't know about. Some of the experienced players seemed to be able to move about the map really fast.
This game should have been on Xbox to take advantage of CliffyB's work on gears, which was Xbox only and has its loyal fans still on Xbox. Although maybe the player base on PS4 is better than steam.
Also the game doesn't seem a good fit for f2p right now, as the heroes are really just classes and there aren't that many of them.
Well yeah it comes up to what people are currently looking for. No matter how popular and probably even fun it is, it's not what I'm after. If I was I'd be playing the Survival DLC in Division that I actually paid for =D But I really didn't have interest in Battle Royale before PUBG nor do I after. I don't think it has actually brought any new big additions or changes to the genre? It's just the most polished from the ones we got.
Yeah the warm up you are talking about is actually really fun too, it's nice to just get into the killing without having to worry about objectives yet.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
We're entering the age where any new shooter coming out will be badged as an Overwatch-killer like back in the WoW days. There's just no escaping it.
T.Slothrop
Member
Part of the problem was that the game didn't have the marketing push it needed. This thing was just always playing second fiddle to bigger, better marketed games.
I also think the whole aesthetic was probably an issue. One look at it, and it just screamed early aughts, Rob Liefeld.
Say what you want about Overwatch, but the art direction is fresh, distinct, and modern.
Clifford Blezinski is an incredible game designer. Art director...not so much.
Godspeed Lawbreakers.
I also think the whole aesthetic was probably an issue. One look at it, and it just screamed early aughts, Rob Liefeld.
Say what you want about Overwatch, but the art direction is fresh, distinct, and modern.
Clifford Blezinski is an incredible game designer. Art director...not so much.
Godspeed Lawbreakers.
Megatron
Member
Evolve waited way too long.
However Evolve didn't have the competition LB has. I think you're right hat it won't help much.
SimpleCRIPPLE
Member
They at least need a demo if not F2P. No way I'm touching this for cash up front with player numbers like those. I don't care how many people are telling me its worth it.
The development studio has done a tremendous amount of work and continually reinvested the game profits back into the technology/content in a way that very few F2P games have accomplished. I don't think it's a perfect game by any means, but it's really fascinating as an example of a game that should continually fail according to most of the complaints you hear about multiplayer games on the internet (too much grind, pay to win, co-op focus, weird lore, etc) but it someone continues growing each year without the mainstream gaming press paying any attention to it.
Edit: I forgot that it's also incredibly dense and stat heavy with (these are much improved now versus years ago) a terrible UI and confusing/frustrating progression structure. Somehow people keep digging through all that and picking it up though, which is fascinating.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Overwatch was not lucky. It was made by Blizzard that has been around in PC gaming almost since the beginning.
Meanwhile lawbreakers is a new IP from a company that has not made any other products.
Really incomparable situations imo. Sure, it's not guaranteed but to assume there is no point in trying is just plain wrong. Paladins is a f2p in this sort of team based, character, fps space and is doing great.
Agreed but there was a slight lull for FPS/shooters after Wildlands and when PUBG was still in its infancy. Once PUBG started building momentum it was over.
Stormblessed
Member
It had a higher peak and maintained month or so longer, coincidentally dropping off massively in August. Lawbreakers is now setting the bar.
Well it was more specific to the idea that Lawbreakers launched on August 8th. You know what else launched on August 8th? Overwatch's Summer Games 2017.
If anything else, the launch window placed it right as the latest event went live and could have easily turned people to one or the other (not to mention that today is the last day of Summer Games if I recall correctly).
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Back on topic though, you are right about "no escape." Kind of sucks that it seems like Overwatch now has established a monopoly to where any games compared to it is going to get pushed off to the side hard it seems. It will be hard to compete against Overwatch and anyone who tries to make a game similar to it is most likely going to run into issues.
I know Cliffy wants to believe it can happen, but this was never going to be the slow-out-the-gate word-of-mouth success LawBreaker's is desperate to be post release. It looks like a quality game to me and it sucks that it's bombing, but it's going to do just that: bomb. It's pretty damn discouraging, but whether or not it wants to escape the Overwatch overlap, it can't/won't.
Forerunner
Member
T.Slothrop
Member
Should they be? Should we all be?
malboroking
Banned
I really like Warframe but it does a terrible job explaining how anything works.