Fake
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No matter how much Horizon exceed in long ranged combat, her melee combat is totally trash.
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Let's talk about combat in Sony's first party titles
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No matter how much Horizon exceed in long ranged combat, her melee combat is totally trash.
rhodesianshepard
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I have beaten every recent major Sony game on its hardest difficulty, except SM2 because for some fucked up reason Insomniac hid the highest difficulty behind beating the game. TLOU2 on grounded was the only game where it was exceedingly challenging, and Naughty Dog didn't release that mode until like 6 months after release. The combat systems for Sony are generally not very deep either. There is not a lot of variety to the gameplay like a Dark Souls or Cyberpunk, which is fine. More variety doesn't mean a game is better either.
I consider myself a very average gamer. I still have not beaten Sekiro. Sony looks at a game like Sekiro, and they think the barrier of entry is way too high for average gamers. Sekiro won game of the year and was released on all platforms. It still has only sold 10 million copies. It's a business. If Sony is going to have cutting edge graphics, motion capture, and writing, the game must be accessible for a wide audience, or else they won't recoup production costs
Fbh
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While I definitely agree that a lot of Sony games have great combat, my biggest issue with a lot of their recent games is that the story sort of gets in the way of me enjoying the gameplay.
Like my favorite parts in Gow Ragnarok are when you finish the main objective and you get to roam around doing side quests and activities (The optional Crater area in particular was great), because I actually get to enjoy the combat and exploration without constantly being interrupted by the 80th unskippable cutscene of Kratos arguing with Atreus or some boring 1.5 hours long Atreus sequence.
Same with TLOU2, amazing stealth gameplay that's constantly getting interrupted by long walking and talking sequences and awful flashbacks in the Aquarium. And don't get me started on Uncharted 4.
And this isn't some "I don't like stories in games" issue for me. I do like stories in games but I think this way of adding it through "gameplay" instead of good ol' cutscenes is becoming annoying. Instead of watching a 10 minutes cutscenes that I can then skip on my next playthrough I'm forced to play through a barley interactive 40 minutes long flashback sequence about Nathan Drake as a kid.
If you want to tell the story through gameplay give me something like Mass Effect where there's a fun interactive element to it, and I'm making choices and it's actually adding to replay value.
Like my favorite parts in Gow Ragnarok are when you finish the main objective and you get to roam around doing side quests and activities (The optional Crater area in particular was great), because I actually get to enjoy the combat and exploration without constantly being interrupted by the 80th unskippable cutscene of Kratos arguing with Atreus or some boring 1.5 hours long Atreus sequence.
Same with TLOU2, amazing stealth gameplay that's constantly getting interrupted by long walking and talking sequences and awful flashbacks in the Aquarium. And don't get me started on Uncharted 4.
And this isn't some "I don't like stories in games" issue for me. I do like stories in games but I think this way of adding it through "gameplay" instead of good ol' cutscenes is becoming annoying. Instead of watching a 10 minutes cutscenes that I can then skip on my next playthrough I'm forced to play through a barley interactive 40 minutes long flashback sequence about Nathan Drake as a kid.
If you want to tell the story through gameplay give me something like Mass Effect where there's a fun interactive element to it, and I'm making choices and it's actually adding to replay value.
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bitbydeath
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Dark Souls isn’t much different to Sony’s Demons Souls, and their other games have the same depth but you have to learn them, of course on easier difficulty levels there isn’t much need for it, but the higher you go the more combos and strategies you need to learn.
Valonquar
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The issue with most of OP's games listed is that they have huge skill trees, yet once you unlock like 2 things in any tree, you dont really NEED anything else. It's just unnecessary complexity for the sake of variety. Not necessarily a PROBLEM really, but ffs in Ghost of Tsushima for example, you can blast into any group on horseback, jump off throwing a smokebomb and everyone just dies instantly from 1 button attacks.
Shtof
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That's like saying the melee combat in any FPS is trash because it's not deep. It's not supposed to be, it's just a free damage option when enemies are close to you.
Fake
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You are comparing a FPS to a third person dude... And I never said the melee in those games are good either.
tommycronin
Banned
It was the only new thing added in the game for Kratos and was also very trash.
NeverYouMind
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rhodesianshepard
Member
You obviously don't know what you are talking about
lughnasadh123
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It's always been goofy how there's the curious yet persistent narrative that Sony games are story focused sacrificing gameplay when both typically are really fantastic.
GHG
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I only put games I've finished on there lol. I only played the first hour or so in DG and never got the time to go back
Get back to it ASAP and play it on one of the harder difficulties.
Anyone who says these games don't have good combat/gameplay is lying.
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bitbydeath
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Demons is harder IMO.
Fbh
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I like Uncharted 3 having segments like the start of Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade!
The intro of Uncharted 3 was relatively fine. It was fun seeing how Drake and Sully met, and it's not that long.
I was talking more about Uncharted 4, which IMO has the best gunplay in the franchise but is so concerned about telling a story that it barely lets you fight anyone.
You start with a young Drake sequence, then you get a long Drake locked up in some prison sequence, then you get a retired Drake at home sequence, then you get that part where they are infiltrating that party at the mansion.
Suddenly you realize you've been playing for like 3 hours and maybe 20 minutes out of that actually consisted of shooting
Uncharted 4 is the only one I haven't replayed in the franchise because of that .
Punished Miku
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Shakka43
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The gameplay on Forbidden West is better than Zero Dawn in many ways but the machines make it less enjoyable cause they move way too fast and jump like crazy all the time, made the combat really tiresome at times
Guilty_AI
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My experience with their games is that it becomes very easy to "hack" them as you learn the mechanics.
When i was playing God of War 18, because the camera was terrible for fighting enemies close quarters, i often found myself keeping a distance in most encounters and just throwing the axe at enemies until they died off. It worked 90% of the time, especially against those trolls or crowds. This was on "Give Me a Challenge" difficulty btw.
When i was playing God of War 18, because the camera was terrible for fighting enemies close quarters, i often found myself keeping a distance in most encounters and just throwing the axe at enemies until they died off. It worked 90% of the time, especially against those trolls or crowds. This was on "Give Me a Challenge" difficulty btw.
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NeverYouMind
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Do you realize that Demon Souls was developed by FromSoft for PS3 and then ported to PS5 with new graphical and audio layer created by Bluepoint Games? The game logic and content has barely changed.
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GymWolf
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I'm not talking about the game in general, i have no problem in people liking dg more than tlou1 or 2, hell i prefer the story and characters in dg way more than anything ND has ever written, but i'm biased because i like the deacon actor and the sons of anarchy angle.
I was merely talking about gameplay, the melee is similar and the game feels like a more arcadey, lower quality tlou, at least animations\gunplay wise, i can deal with people liking the more arcadey movements of deacon.
And for me animations and gunplay\melee being meaty and well animated are kings, so i'm always gonna prefer tlou over dg gameplay.
Danjin44
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You are joking, majority of Demons Souls bosses have one fatal weakness once you figure it out they become piss easy.....most difficulty of that game comes from when you play it for the first time and you dont know anything.
BouncyFrag
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Gran Turismo combat when?
bitbydeath
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Yeah, I was referring to the PS3 release, it started it all.
R6Rider
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That's what the online is for.
GymWolf
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Yeah, they improved in the sequel but the melee still feel dogshit compared to the excellent ranged combat against dinos (against humans is still pretty bad and far away from kz2).
For the sequel the need to overhaul the melee completely
nuke the jankiness during climbing and when she get stuck on micro obstacles on foot
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MidGenRefresh
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I get what you're saying but for me a big part of the gameplay of Days Gone is riding that sweet, sweet bike. They nailed it. Possibly the best feeling offroad bike ever in a game.
And yeah, I'll take less 'ViScEraL" combat if I can have an amazing method of traversal like this one. Obviously Days Gone combat is way more 'arcade' but calling it more 'arcade' it's just another way of saying that it's more fun. Unpopular opinion, I know.
Elder Legend
Banned
Are you serious ? The spear is dope as fuck and it made the game felt like you were playing s true Spartan from Greece and added a lot of character to Kratos's Greek roots.
R6Rider
this is you and me right now after reading thatstatement.
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MarkMe2525
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It wasn't a first party game on PS3 either.
bitbydeath
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Depends on if you subscribe to the existence of second party or not. Sony would consider it first party as they don’t believe in second party.
GymWolf
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It's not an unpopular opinion, many people just don't like weighty characters, i hate the opposite, floaty character that slide with no weight, DG strike a good balance, i'm just not a fan of the gunplay and melee compared to tlou.
I hate driving in games, i prefer fast supernatural traversal style like infamous, forspoken, attack on titan 2 (super underrated traversal and combat on hard) or crackdown or spiderman.
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MidGenRefresh
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Must be trauma from driving in real life Sicily.
I hate when games do the 'slow aiming / MASSIVE recoil' kind of thing. And yeah, I guess TLOU2 falls into this category. That's not how it is when you shoot a gun in real life. You don't aim at a snail speed. You don't turn slower than Earth's rotation. And no, if you know what you're doing, the recoil is not sending your aim to the fucking moon after each shot.
GymWolf
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I don't give a fuck about how they do recoil, what matter to me is the moment from when the bullet touch the enemies, to their reaction to their demise on the ground, with or even better without some limbs and a couple of gallons of blood, and that's why many people love the gunplay in kz2 even if aim was shit.
That's why i unironically love the gunplay in rdr2 even if everything before that moment is dogshit.
People have different priorities when it comes to gunplay, me and people like @represent are light sociopaths and we love realistic depiction of violence, i started watching gorey horror movies when i was 4 so i have an excuse, i don't know what he tells to his shrink tho
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BennyBlanco
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Of the games I played
Returnal - A+ combat and a fantastic game overall. Sad that it flopped twice. Way better on m/kb.
GoW 2018 - C+. kinda slow and clunky for my tastes.
Days Gone - C. bog standard third person shooter
Spiderman Remaster - B. Not great, but not bad take on the arkham combat system.
Last of Us ps4 remaster - B+. Combat feels good and satisfying. Sadly I played MgSV around the same time which shits on this from a great height imo.
Returnal - A+ combat and a fantastic game overall. Sad that it flopped twice. Way better on m/kb.
GoW 2018 - C+. kinda slow and clunky for my tastes.
Days Gone - C. bog standard third person shooter
Spiderman Remaster - B. Not great, but not bad take on the arkham combat system.
Last of Us ps4 remaster - B+. Combat feels good and satisfying. Sadly I played MgSV around the same time which shits on this from a great height imo.
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ByWatterson
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Totally agree.
Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, God of War (like any of them ever) and The Last of Us Part II are all best in class combat.
Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man, God of War (like any of them ever) and The Last of Us Part II are all best in class combat.
Jigsaah
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I never play games on Normal Mode. I usually play on hard mode or if there are more tiers above normal mode, it'll be the one before whatever nightmare ultimate difficulty is. I do this to try and have a great time the first playthrough as well as have replayability for going through a second time on the most difficult mode long as first time was enjoyable enough. I agree combat has always been great, although I think in Ghost of Tsushima you can get overpowered really fast and it's no longer fun for me at that point. God of War seemed to maintain the balance more often, though in that one...I feel like normal enemies ability to kill Kratos far exceeded Baldur's ability, which made no sense to me. Video game logic I guess. I haven't played Forbidden West yet, but in HZD I didn't realize how fun the combat was til I played it on PC. I put the game down on PS4 because I got bored, but then double dipped on Steam. The higher framerate and increased precision, just made feel like more of a badass hunter, whereas I was flailing about using a Dual Shock 4.
MarkMe2525
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"According to Yeonkyung Kim of Sony, Demon’s Souls’ unique gameplay and unmistakably Japanese flavor caused SCEA and SCEE to balk, believing the game would fail in the West. Sony declined the opportunity to pick it up, letting Atlus reap the rewards instead.
"“That was a mistake,”" laments Kim. “It should have come out as a first-party title."
”https://www.destructoid.com/sony-regrets-not-publishing-demons-souls-itself/
Admittedly I am being super petty here, as it turns out we are both right, depending on what territory you played the game.
Sony published in Japan while the western territories where published by Atlus.
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Elder Legend
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The snail speed works though for Gears of War but in that game it makes sense. You are playing very large characters with very heavy armor and heavy guns.
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Elder Legend
Banned
too bad the game only had like what 6 biomes? The underwater one was kind of dog shit though. They should of done one that's a bit more colorful.
GymWolf
Member
The underwater one was super atmospheric, cmon.
Danjin44
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Thats basically my experience of playing Ghost of Tsushima after Sekiro.
Elder Legend
Banned
didn't care for the atmosphere when it was absolute dogshit to navigate and ugly as sin.
The 1st biome was the best and most atmospheric. Ice one sucked too. Game needed better environments. The derelict one was ok, 2nd was just a giant boring ass desert. The combat, mechanics and bosses is what made up for the game.
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[Sigma]
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Even if I agreed(which I don't), stuff like that is inconsequential to me because at that point, it's totally about the combat.
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ReBurn
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I generally like combat in Sony first party games. There's so much care and attention. My main gripe with most Sony first party games is pacing. Great gameplay gets broken up by cinematic storytelling and side quest mechanics. Again, phenomenal games but not always consistently paced.
Still generally enjoy them.
Still generally enjoy them.
Astral Dog
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SpiderMan is pretty good
