Yeah, it sounds like he did a lot of good shit.
I'm a bit kneejerk about anything related to FFXII so I jumped the gun.
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Yeah, it sounds like he did a lot of good shit.
I'm a bit kneejerk about anything related to FFXII so I jumped the gun.
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I thought FFXII's battle system was "ok". Could have been improved though.
But yeah, I kinda want an Ito directed game that doesn't have the Matsuno influence much. Sorry to say but I think Matsuno's vision for a mainline FF is kinda boring
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But yeah, I kinda want an Ito directed game that doesn't have the Matsuno influence much. Sorry to say but I think Matsuno's vision for a mainline FF is kinda boring
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Manmademan
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XII is outstanding. I haven't seen a real time combat system (edit: that handles multiple party member AI) done better since then. Mass Effect, Dragon Age, and Dragon's dogma could really stand to learn several things from it.
Probably just an experiment. He just needs to not do a FFXII again and I hope he thinks that too.
Sorry that was mean.
I think he is just saying that FFXII had an awesome combat system while 3rd birthday and Crisis Core had fairly terrible ones.
And if he isn't saying that, than I am.
Loved the gambit system, even if it makes the game 'play itself' as some people argue, you don't need to use it. Quite a few games tried to use a similar system since then, like Dragon Age and Tales of Innocence, but neither did it that well. If HP < 20%, use high level cure spell, best method of AI control. Especially compared to FFXIII's pray your party isn't retarded.
Relaxed Muscle
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Put me in the ballpark of those that loved XII battle system. It wasn't perfect but I always thought it was the logical evolution of the ATB system.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Play International Zodiac Job System, it's fantastic. Fixes most of the issues I had with vanilla XII's battle system and is one of the best games in the series, IMO.
FateBreaker
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I was, but I was unnecessarily rude about it.
3rd Birthday had more control issues than anything though. I thought it was decently fun. But not like FF12 obviously.
You like games that play themselves?
Meccanical
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It was okay.
Can;t say it made me anymore engaged than XIII's battle system did.
Well hunts got pretty tense...but c'mon...their hunts. They're the best part of the game.
Sure but as I said before in this same thread (I think lol) I don't think this franchise damage really exists. When XV is announced and Square starts a new marketing process I think people won't be really like "oh, XIII sucked so I won't buy this" because it will be a different game, with different characters, a different story, etc... Its the exact thing that happened to Agnis Philosophy.
Well, yeah Gambits are done pretty ace I think but everything else just bugs me. From the License Board, to having to go buy Licenses, to how slow everything feels, to the weaksauce summonings that you can't switch out between party members, and how much EXP is required to level up after the earlier levels.
EDIT: But I mostly say its the License Board that I despise with a passion. Like every single thing about it.
Probably just an experiment. He just needs to not do a FFXII again and I hope he thinks that too.
Only battle system that bugged me as much as FFXII was FFVIII.
Like I said above, more like games that give you full control over your party. You could disable gambits for your lead character if you so wished, and left it as a flawless party control system.
Relaxed Muscle
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Problem with 3rd Birthday is the PSP itself. Lack of second stick and shitty nub pad. Same deal with MGS
W.Meccanical
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Is that something you want?
That means you won't get it.
SE is not in that kind of business.
Relaxed Muscle
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XII HD remake? they can't even get X HD remake in 2013!! LOOOLLOOOOLLL!!!!111
Maybe in 2016 or so along versus XIII
Maybe in 2016 or so along versus XIII
Boo you Esura! I loved the License Board.
Wut. The battle system was like the only good thing about T3B and the Crisis Core one isn't bad at all.
It's cool. We get passionate about our opinions and stuff.
Gambit was the best thing about FFXII's battles. Sucks I had to buy most of them but it still ight.
I didn't like the roulette thing in Crisis Core and I didn't find the DNA thing in 3rd Birthday that interesting but they were still pretty enjoyable.
EDIT: I think with the DNA thing I didn't care for it because I didn't know what the hell I was doing on it.
Even boring would be better than what we have right now...
Yeah, purchasing gambits is a bit odd.
Licence board is mostly fixed in the zodiac edition. There is barely any difference in text, they could translate any new content in like a week. Release FFXII zodiac edition on PSN as hd-make and I would buy it in a heart beat.
I liked the core concept of the board, but it was a bit too much freedom, and not enough ability to actually know where shit is on the board. Had it simply shown you what most of the squares were, and only hidden ones for rare or hidden weapons, it would have been for the best. Problem with the zodiac one, is that you can max out your licence board pretty fast.
Licence board is mostly fixed in the zodiac edition. There is barely any difference in text, they could translate any new content in like a week. Release FFXII zodiac edition on PSN as hd-make and I would buy it in a heart beat.
I liked the core concept of the board, but it was a bit too much freedom, and not enough ability to actually know where shit is on the board. Had it simply shown you what most of the squares were, and only hidden ones for rare or hidden weapons, it would have been for the best. Problem with the zodiac one, is that you can max out your licence board pretty fast.
Go_Ly_Dow
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It has to be more than this?
Japan - 900-950k, before it dropped off the charts?
NA - 500k as last recorded by NPD?
Asia - I remember the 200k figure was mentioned in some interview
Europe - Seen no data, but if XIII is anything to go by then it should be similar to NA
I haven't seen any sales updates for the last few months and since NPD and MC don't track every retailer it should be higher then those figures anyway.
They are with the PSP control scheme.
Well, having a playing T3B on a Vita or hooking up a PS3 controller using CFW/Bluetooth greatly alleviates those issues. T3B had an excelent battle system in my opinion, which is why I'm thinking of buying Mindjack even if its scenario is by Toriyama.
Neko Mimi Mode
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It exists to an extent right now, I've seen plenty of people, even personal friends, go from fully invested in the series to no longer interested now or ever. I think it's nearly impossible to say that XIII hasn't damaged the brand somewhat.
Consumer confidence, especially with the mainstream, going into XV will be at an all time low. Many people won't bother keeping up with the pre-release hype or even give SE a second chance. Sad, but true.
That's not to say things can't be turned around though.
Same, but I caved in and imported it long ago. Totally recommend it, it's an amazing game that I now have insatiable urges to interrupt my regularly scheduled life to play again.
Boo you Esura! I loved the License Board.
For me it seemed like a cool concept but it was done very badly in the game.
And that was my primary issue with the License Board. Also hated that the License Board extended to equipment too. Having the equipment isn't enough, I have to have the License too and that sucks.
I usually prefer a more guided progression system like FFIV, FFVI, FFVII, FFX, X-2, XIII, XIII-2 and stuff.
Oh wow, looked up that Hiroyki Ito wiki-page. I had no idea he did so many things. I always imagined each of those systems were just thought up by whoever worked on the respective games. He should totally do FFXV.
Edit: also, leaving equipment out of the licence board would have probably been for the best. Maybe just throw a level-req on them.
Edit: also, leaving equipment out of the licence board would have probably been for the best. Maybe just throw a level-req on them.
Japan - 820K
Asia - 200K
US - 500K
Europe - Unknown, but less than the US ~200K was an estimate I saw not too long ago.
So probably now at least around 1.7 - 1.8m... still way down from XIII and even X-2.
People don't like it when you take away fundamental things and dangle it in front of their faces in exchange for some gil. At least that's how I felt, but I played the original XII not the Zodiac edition.
Didn't X-2 sell close to 5 million? Yeah XIII-2 ain't coming anywhere close to that.
Many folks want to feel they earned the shit they get.
Silvawuff
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I think it's interesting how polarizing FFXII's battle system was. I thought it was okay and worked well for the type of game it was. The story, however? Ugh.
What makes a "good" FF game? I think the answer will vary by person, and the players of the series from then and now will never be truly satisfied.
What makes a "good" FF game? I think the answer will vary by person, and the players of the series from then and now will never be truly satisfied.
Until we get a FFVII remake.
Go_Ly_Dow
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Meccanical
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You can really tell he understands this stuff, and thinks about it constantly.
Yeah, I hope they try to avoid it with LR. No problem with a game selling a certain number as long as it's expected, but when you ship so much more than it sells it becomes an issue.
You caught me before my stealth edit haha, I was horrified until I noticed it didn't include Japan. Still, it's lower than I expected overall including the other regions.
Is it possible Square Enix is working on a project and didn't announce it 7+ years too early? Seems somewhat unlikely.
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