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LTTP Phil Spencer is a cool guy after listening to his Podcast Unlocked interview
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You clearly weren't in the 2013 PlayStation E3 thread then.
Dylan Sexbang
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Cerny*
Remember those bathtub posts?
BFIB
Member
I like Spencer a lot. I forgot the interview, but it was sometime during E3 and he stated that he owned an XBox One, PS4, and Wii U. Said he's a gamer first, but loves the competition.
He got dealt a bad hand in dealing w/ the Xbox One PR nightmare, but he's turned the brand around at a fast rate.
He got dealt a bad hand in dealing w/ the Xbox One PR nightmare, but he's turned the brand around at a fast rate.
Steverulez
Member
He would have obviously been sat round the table when it was all discussed but I doubt he decided any details because as I said earlier, it was his job to get games on the platform, not design it, thats why they had Marc Whitten and the whole hardware team.
Rather telling that neither Don Mattrick or Marc Whitten are still at the company, personally.
Perhaps Phil Spencer didn't sit round the table and protest loudly as some sort beacon of hope for Xbox gamers, I don't really know I don't really expect it either. I think he acted as a professional, he did his job which was to get first party content on Xbox One (and he did a great job of that, in my opinion) and then he took on the top job when it was available.
Perhaps he thought the DRM was a good idea at the time, saw the backlash and realised (like everyone else) that it wasn't a good idea *shrug*
Edge feature
I think Peter Molyneux and Tim Sweeney know their stuff considering their relationships to MS
Ol No Bones
Banned
Seems like a decent guy. XB1 has an excellent lineup next year and this holiday. Just keep it coming and make a couple bets on games annually and the XB1 will do fine. I would say the XB1 is the console I'm most excited about but that could change.
TBH Phil talks a good talk whereas Shu has walked the walk..
I'll avoid the obvious temptation to just post "triple irony?" here and just say that I think you're probably a tad too emotionally invested here.
Yeah, this is pretty spot on. Even without Kinect, the Xbox One wasn't going to change. If Microsoft launched the following year, then it's possible a hardware change could have happened but what you have now is what Phil Spencer would have delivered, no doubts about it. Yes, the message might have been more game focused but under the hood, no change.
Ricky Ricardo
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Quadruple irony as these types of topics lure you like a fly to honey
You can't seriously be trying to compare (yet again) my post history to yours.
Oh god, how could I forget.
What the... Wut? Because I said something of negative about him?
Care to elaborate?
Nightengale
Member
To be completely honest, both are probably true.
As an exec, you toe the company line, unfavorable decisions you made (indie parity, IP ownership), etc. Most interviews with high-level execs have them being very careful with what they say. Some people frame it in a very professional manner(House/Mattrick), some in a jovial manner (Shu), and some in a more passionate manner (Phil), but behind their presentation... they all say the same things.
That doesn't somehow prevent Spencer from being a good guy. It's just that he's chosen to be less nice in some regards compared to other folk for the sake of business/company. It's the same on the other side of the court, really.
I don't know, the Kaz/Shu/Mark Cerny stuff seems far above the Spensor stuff. The Cerny bathtub shit along trumps anything I've seen.. outside of Gabe-love. The last time MS had a exec that was popular with fans was Allard.
How did that meme even come about?
Night Angel
Member
He certainly interviews well. However, several of the changes he has made don't really sit well with me. The parity clause, for one, and the continued wasting of money on timed exclusives (which adds absolutely no value to the console for anyone who already has one and damages the industry) both make me feel like he says some things and does others.
Garrett 2U
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Yeah, it is always interesting listening to him.
uh-huh.
uh-huh.
Which is why he didn't say that. You guys should really listen to the interview and not go off bullet points. Rough transcript:
Would you have pushed harder on the hardware?
I honestly don't know. I know the people that made those decisions and I don't know the reality of the situation when they made those decisions. It's easy for me to sit back now and say okay we would have built a 3TF box and sold it for $99 but I don't know -- I don't know what tradeoffs they were making. We didn't all make all decisions as a leadership team. I was making content decisions so I think it is a little unfair for me to go back and kind of cherry pick a certain decision about what kind of RAM do we pick or this eSRAM thing or the HDMI-In, or would I have done the Kinect. Oh, so I'm all knowing at this point so knowing what I know now I would have changed these decisions. I don't know
I honestly don't know. I know the people that made those decisions and I don't know the reality of the situation when they made those decisions. It's easy for me to sit back now and say okay we would have built a 3TF box and sold it for $99 but I don't know -- I don't know what tradeoffs they were making. We didn't all make all decisions as a leadership team. I was making content decisions so I think it is a little unfair for me to go back and kind of cherry pick a certain decision about what kind of RAM do we pick or this eSRAM thing or the HDMI-In, or would I have done the Kinect. Oh, so I'm all knowing at this point so knowing what I know now I would have changed these decisions. I don't know
gaming_noob
Member
We should bring back the Spencer pins just to annoy some of these haters.
Peter Moore was pretty likeable except his things break RROD.
Yeah I like him alot. Every time I hear him speak it makes me want an Xbox One but then I remember that I own a PS4 and most games will be the sameThat controller though. . .
Heh
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=917371
Ol No Bones
Banned
Oh shit lol.
EGOMON
Member
"I Believe In Phil"
It's true though. Throwing money at Eidos to delay the PS4 version of Tomb Raider and defending the parity clause are both fairly shitty.
And contrary to the claims of people on GAF (and MS's own claims at this year's E3) we haven't seen some sudden rush of game content on Xbone now that he's in charge. In fact Sony are securely ahead in that league.
So far I only see him having done the bare minimum necessary to placate people and rouse some interest in Xbone. What MS right now is someone who goes above and beyond the call of duty, not just someone who 'isn't as bad as the last guy'.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
Since both took a turn for the worst in 2010 and their first party rotation became halo,gears and Forza.
But hey that's probably all Mattricks fault as well.
Mugatu
Member
I see your point but I think there's just way too much cynicism here. Yes there is a unified message that needs to be said as with all companies and organizations bu that in no way minimizes each person's individuality, we just don't necessarily get to see it.
In the end, these are all individual human beings, as complex and idiosyncratic and you and I. The way some people are painting them with a simple brushstroke as nothing more than cardboard cutout suits is really disturbing.
Ho-body. Amazing.
Yeah I listened to the podcast yesterday, pretty solid stuff and he answers pretty candidly. I really do think he understands the business and the brand, much more so than his predecessor.
Yes it's a good guy BUT this good guy has worked secretly to buy exclusive for games initially announced multiplatform. He is good just if you buy his product.
amazing
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I love detective GAF
PhoenixFyre
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I don't understand people. You lay the blame of every misstep at Mattrick's feet like he was some unstoppable dictator enforcing his every whim on the lowly serfs of the entire Xbox team. And you lay every success at Spencer's feet like he's the knight who beheaded the tyrannical ruler and took his throne, handing out puppies to his new subjects.
Spencer isn't some breath of fresh air that's completely untouched from the stink of his predecessor. He was there too. A lot of people are involved in every decision that's made. The Xbox team as a whole realized they needed to turn the ship around before it was too late. Spencer is every bit an executive and salesman that Mattrick was. His job's just easier because the message he has to sell isn't as offensive. He's not a not a nicer guy than Mattrick. He just got handed a better script.
Spencer isn't some breath of fresh air that's completely untouched from the stink of his predecessor. He was there too. A lot of people are involved in every decision that's made. The Xbox team as a whole realized they needed to turn the ship around before it was too late. Spencer is every bit an executive and salesman that Mattrick was. His job's just easier because the message he has to sell isn't as offensive. He's not a not a nicer guy than Mattrick. He just got handed a better script.
Oh God, so because I said negative things about microsoft I can't partecipate to the discussion. I'm a such horrible person. Forgive me.
Definitely not nice things but you understand why, they have nothing to go against Uncharted, buy Tomb Raider which is a scum tactic but his job demands it to sell more consoles. While doing that, they invest in new IP so they say. Doing his job two different ways, good and evil. I still don't get the parity release clause, all sorts of stupid.
Steverulez
Member
Parity is shit, but you have no idea what the deal was with Tomb Raider also its not like Phil Spencer put a gun to SEs head, they didn't have to sign that deal. If MS made an offer that was beneficial to both perhaps SE thought it was better for them in the long run.
How much do you expect to achieve in 6 months? MS have plenty of content coming, does someone really have to list it to show you?
EGOMON
Member
Taking words out of context that would work most of those were sarcastic comments carry on you can find more but please pick the ones that fit your agenda
Night Angel
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Wow, on one page we have a great detectiveGAF post, and then a few posts later we have this. If this were reddit, this would belong in shittydetectiveGAF. This post is bad, and you should feel bad. Telling someone to GTFO because they don't like Spencer in a thread that's all about whether we like or dislike Spencer... Do you know how forums work?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
I don't think you know how detective GAF works.
Outtrigger888
Member
Watched him on the giantbomb e3 live show and really liked the guy. He talked praise about Nintendo even. Dudes not full of shit, you can tell he's trying to get the xbox brand back after matricks fuck up.
MS's E3 conference was clearly an attempt to rebrand the Xbone as a 'games-first' machine, and yet I see no substantial change in its outlook. The same goes for the people on GAF who felt that Spencer would be a breath of fresh air (I hope that he would too).
S-E obviously aren't required to sign a contract with MS, but I fail to see how that makes it 'their problem'. MS approached S-E and offered them money in exchange for a delay to the PS4 version of their game. It's shitty behaviour that has no sum effect but punishing people with the good sense not to buy into MS's ecosystem.
And again, 'oh it's only been six months'. Xbox has been an entity in the gaming world for over a decade. You should not be defending the piss-poor state of MS's game development. It's indefensible.