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Lucas is a stubborn prick
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Because the Ewoks were allies of the rebel alliance who helped the rebels destroy the shield generator, which allowed the rebels to destroy the Death Star and defeat the Emperor? Typically when you win a battle you celebrate with your allies who helped you achieve that victory.
Dreams-Visions
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Meh.
We got the Despecialized and Revisited editions out there in HD, with more care taken to them than Disney or Lucasfilm would take.
I'm good.
We got the Despecialized and Revisited editions out there in HD, with more care taken to them than Disney or Lucasfilm would take.
I'm good.
old manatee
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WhiteRabbitEXE
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Well, he also sought out permission to sell off his stocks. Can't just dump off $2b in stocks all at once for a few reasons, so he's going to do it bits at a time until it's all gone. I don't think he's really heavily involved.
Dreams-Visions
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Hmm. stubborn prick.
We talking about the same George Lucas that is donating the majority of his wealth to charity?
Or is the OP the only actual prick in this nexus.
So like 2024? we already have movies confirmed til 2020, and I have a sneaking suspicion they won't stop there.
Bolivar687
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There's too many little changes that overall make the movies a lot better. HD fan versions are out there for those who want them.
That may be true but it's still an interesting angle to the whole situation and you may see Disney wait until the stock is gone before doing anything, assuming they want to anyways, it's not like we know their feelings they may be happy with the movie situation exactly the way it is.
George has deliberately erased the work of many artists who worked on the original trilogy by adding CGI and prequel actors, he might be a generous man but as a professional he's a prick. George didn't even direct two of the original trilogy, it's artistically dubious to seal away the versions the actual directors released to cinemas. If you want to make a special edition then do what every other director does and preserve the theatrical version alongside it, especially when the special edition is so much worse.
Anyway it wouldn't surprise me if a condition of the sale to Disney was that the most recent edits of the OT are set in stone and legally unchangeable. George is that stubborn.
Back-In-Black
Banned
It's his/was franchise, he can (could) do with it however he wishes (wanted). I'd love to have some of that Special Edition crap removed but I wouldn't say it was "wrong" of him to do what he wanted with his films.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Isn't that up to the white slavers now?
If it's still George's call then whatever. They're his babies.
If it's still George's call then whatever. They're his babies.
jstevenson
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Disney won't do this until they get the rights to V and VI back
Silphonica
Banned
Hes the stubborn prick yet you assume financial gain was his reasoning for making the changes.
He made it, its his choice what he wanted to do with it.
He made it, its his choice what he wanted to do with it.
Nizz
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The bolded would be a dream for me. Updates effects with today's technology but without the little additions/changes that Lucas added.
I grew up with the original, untouched trilogy but I would be lying if I didn't think the effects look rough in this day and age, especially by today's standards. In a perfect world, everything of the original films (like Han shooting first, or Obi-Wan's original call to scare off the Sand People) would remain. But the effects would be updated without overindulging.
Like, fix Luke's landspeeder in the shots where it clearly looks like a terrible shadow underneath but not add floating droids and creatures in shots. I guess the best example of this type of restoration would be the OG Star Trek series.
I haven't seen them for myself but I understand that they redid/improved shots but were subtle and not over the top. I think there were slightly different panning shots of the ships? But yeah, something along those lines.
Kid Kamikaze10
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... I thought this was about Stranger Things...
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
lol from the thread title I thought this was going to be about that Corey Haim movie
exmachina64
Banned
Correct.
He did once in 2006, after a petition, he put them out on dvd with the 2004 release, as bonus discs,the only thing was i think they were laser disc rips and the picture quality werent the best
From wiki:
The video transfers were in 4:3 letterboxed widescreen, as opposed to 16:9 anamorphic widescreen. The video also had excessive grain, low contrast, and serious aliasing. Motion smearing, as a result of primitive digital video noise reduction (DVNR), caused moving objects to be blurred and leave behind a trail of their own shape. The audio mixes were the same Dolby stereo surround tracks from the Definitive Collection Laserdisc.
From wiki:
The video transfers were in 4:3 letterboxed widescreen, as opposed to 16:9 anamorphic widescreen. The video also had excessive grain, low contrast, and serious aliasing. Motion smearing, as a result of primitive digital video noise reduction (DVNR), caused moving objects to be blurred and leave behind a trail of their own shape. The audio mixes were the same Dolby stereo surround tracks from the Definitive Collection Laserdisc.
Yep, Despecialized editions is all I need. Best versions of the originals out there.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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Take out Civil War (408MM) + Rogue One (155MM) and Disney is still number 1.
May 2020 then? They won't get the rights to IV anytime soon though, if ever. So not sure if it's worth it for them regardless.
molnizzle
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It was a horrible way to end the Star Wars saga, but the Star Wars saga doesn't end with Return of the Jedi anymore! Yub Nub is a fitting way to end that particular movie. If anything, Victory Celebration seems out of place now that we know how the story continues. Turns out the Empire didn't just go away.
Trigonometrize.
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Yes but the Emperor did, not to mention his top space wizard henchman turning good, not to mention no Death Star II, so it seems pretty worth a celebration to me even if the Empire didn't end right then and there.
Bobby Roberts
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I don't think this is possible or likely at all.
Iger made Lucas hand over everything he had in the sale. It's been reported that Lucas initially wanted to hang onto some of his notes & story ideas, and Iger was like "No, George. All of it."
It seems very unrealistic to me that Lucas would risk fucking up the sale over the original versions (which he himself had already released years after saying he'd never release them) or that Iger would allow Lucas to maintain any sort of power over what Lucasfilm could and couldn't do once it left his hand.
If Lucas still wanted to control any aspect of Star Wars, he wouldn't have sold the company. It's really that simple.
From what I understand, Lucasfilm owns the original effects elements, and has recently restored the Original Trilogy to 4k. If they WANTED to actually recomposite the old effects back into the film, they could. It'd be a lot of time and effort, but they could do it. Hell, they could digitally recreate those effects down to the pixel if they really wanted to.
Also, so far as the distribution right to Star Wars goes, here's a post I made from almost exactly 1 year ago that spells it out
Nothing logistically stopping Buena Vista from releasing a fat 40th Anniversary box set next May. Fox won't get in the way there.
He didn't capitulate to a fan petition - people internally at Lucasfilm convinced him to do it, and he said yes, so long as they could do it cheaply. Dpp1978 goes over it in a post from the same thread as before.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
They won't get the rights back to IV ever, so they'll just have to take that bullet.
2020 seems perfect to do the 9 disc 4k blu-ray release with the original and special editions of all 9 films.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Also can't believe a variation of this thread is still popping up. Lucas sold this shit like 4 years ago.
People literally stuck in time like that Jurassic mosquito.
People literally stuck in time like that Jurassic mosquito.
Unknown Soldier
Banned
Random trivia:
The Library of Congress holds in it's archive a 1977 35mm print of the original Star Wars.
There are other prints of the original original trilogy which exist today. I'm sure if Disney really wanted to, they could track these prints down and restore and remaster them. The original trilogy is not lost just because Lucasfilm claims they no longer have any original elements. It would just require a search for prints of the films in private hands which are still in good condition to release the original original trilogy.
The Library of Congress holds in it's archive a 1977 35mm print of the original Star Wars.
There are other prints of the original original trilogy which exist today. I'm sure if Disney really wanted to, they could track these prints down and restore and remaster them. The original trilogy is not lost just because Lucasfilm claims they no longer have any original elements. It would just require a search for prints of the films in private hands which are still in good condition to release the original original trilogy.
Bobby Roberts
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To my knowledge, Lucasfilm isn't even claiming this. Nor would they put out the call for fan-owned 35mm prints if they were claiming it.
Unknown Soldier
Banned
Didn't George say it no longer exists or something awhile back? It's been some time so my memory's fuzzy here.
This really seems like the most likely eventual outcome. The Trilogy of Trilogies box set. Ep 1 and Ep 2 will look like ass in 4k but what can you do?
Remake them
Thanks for clearing this up Bobby, i remember seeing that petition back then & assumed it was that reason for them
Pff, they can disrespect Lucas anytime, best thing to happen to Star Wars would be if Disney redcons the prequels and does them right.
show me your skeleton
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there's an untouched (i believe down to the original title crawl) reel at the film archive in America somewhere. i think wired or verge did an article on it.
edit: beaten like a bothan spy.
Except there is a secret clause in the contract that says Disney can't release the original movies.
or is there?
You know that he no longer works on Star Wars, right?
But hey lets bash Lucas just because!
Mysterious
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Doesn't he own a load of DIS shares? Which means, he makes a lot when Star Wars performs well (and Marvel films, and Moana, and the theme parks).
EDIT: Also isn't a part of the reason Disney can't release it is because FOX owns distribution rights for Episodes I-VI?
They went back because they know Ewoks now have a taste for human flesh and with the Empire gone there's a power vacuum in space.
Rebellion and Republic gotta put diplomacy first, otherwise those bloodthirsty teddy bears will build a giant stick so big it'll threaten all the universes.
CaviarMeths
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Probably wouldn't have made a big difference honestly. Everyone loves to bitch about the special editions, but we all own them anyway.
Wafflecakes
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I don't think the market is as huge as internet supernerds think it is.
I would bet that for the vast majority of people the remasters ARE the original trilogy to them.
I would bet that for the vast majority of people the remasters ARE the original trilogy to them.
KelpPlankton
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Don't the original versions of the films not exist anymore or something? I remember this being part of why the remasters were necessary, the oldest versions available are the laserdisc ones, not the original workprints.
show me your skeleton
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can't comment on the validity of this, it's been banded around a lot but I'm sure if true there would be ways around it, but the best thing about this if true is that Lucas is very much about archiving film
Also this. The three thousand people in the internet who would buy this arent worth it.
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