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[MrSardonic]

 

[Juice]

I don't think Revolution consumers want straight ports.

*Prints out in large font on matte paper*

*Hangs on Wall*

*Cries*

 

[DefectiveReject]

*Prints out in large font on matte paper*

*Hangs on Wall*

*Cries*

i know, quite refreshing to hear.
why would 3 consoles want the same game?

 

[ahmad]

WOW. I am shocked. EA to actually not do ports on the revolution. I think that shows commitment. That is very impressive, I certainly didn't expect this.

 

[Vieo]

I think the bottom line is:

If you don't like the idea of having to move your body to play games, you better be prepared for a lot of disappointment.

As we head toward the future, until you're able to jack-in ala The Matrix, game interface will change toward a more natural(human movement and voice) process to the point where instead of pressing the select button to navigate your inventory to equip a sword and pressing A button to attack, you'll be saying the word "sword" to equip it instantly and attack by actually swinging it like you would in real life.

There will come a point where you will eventually have to choose wether to go with the flow or take your boat out of the river.

 

[GitarooMan]

WOW. I am shocked. EA to actually not do ports on the revolution. I think that shows commitment. That is very impressive, I certainly didn't expect this.

Did people actually think this was going to be a port? I always thought it would be Madden with some Revmote functionality. I wonder if it's going to reuse the current gen engine though.

 

[Netrunner2k2]

There will come a point where you will eventually have to choose wether to go with the flow or take your boat out of the river.

And put it in the kiddie pool!

That was bad, wasn't it?

 

[Shmmeee]

I would agree that the Madden customers do define "casual gamer", but I'd say they care about control more so than most gamers. Yes, graphics are high on the list, but I've heard more Madden players complain about the controls than most other players of other games. Precise, precision control is as important in a sports game like Madden as it is in nearly any other game, and when the controls suffer, Madden players complain.

What makes you think that controls will suffer? I've never played madden before, but I'm assuming the actions like passing, blocking, and kicking are done with a button press and a direction.

This control scheme allows greater control over all of those movements by making them analogue.

Think of it like the analogue stick control on Tiger Woods compared to stopping a power bar, or the analogue pasing in PES (which I suck at). It'll take a while to get used to, but after that adjustment it should allow for greater skill.

Sure it's EA and it make well suck and be gimmicky, but if done right I see no reason why it can't be a superior experience. We'll see.

 

[BuzzJive]

EA doesn't even care enough to put their top sports development team on this game? I know most of you don't follow sports development teams like you do with other games, but EA shoved this game off to their Q level sports team.

They've got a revolution specific development house in the biggest EA facility. Yes - that's clearly a bad thing.

 

[Grug]

Yeah I've gotta say that that I am disturbed by the amount of people who seem to be frightened about having to move their body.

It shows that its not the experience of gaming that they like, its the sitting on their fat cans.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

What makes you think that controls will suffer? I've never played madden before, but I'm assuming the actions like passing, blocking, and kicking are done with a button press and a direction.

This control scheme allows greater control over all of those movements by making them analogue.

Think of it like the analogue stick control on Tiger Woods compared to stopping a power bar, or the analogue pasing in PES (which I suck at). It'll take a while to get used to, but after that adjustment it should allow for greater skill.

Sure it's EA and it make well suck and be gimmicky, but if done right I see no reason why it can't be a superior experience. We'll see.

I'm not saying the controls will suffer on the Rev version. What I was referring to is whent he the controls have taken a step backwards in previous version of Madden, the players have indeed complained. That's all.

 

[Kolgar]

Who but game dorks and small children will even open their minds enough to accept this?

I think most people are simply going to feel too foolish playing this console to even give it a try.

More and more, this is looking like a HUGE gamble on Nintendo's part.

 

[DefectiveReject]

i'm all for it. I just don't wanna break anything. How many times have you actually thrown your controller in rage, or by accident. I know i have

 

[borghe]

Yeah I've gotta say that that I am disturbed by the amount of people who seem to be frightened about having to move their body.

It shows that its not the experience of gaming that they like, its the sitting on their fat cans.

your avatar sums up the typical gamer succinctly. :lol

 

[DefectiveReject]

Who but game dorks and small children will even open their minds enough to accept this?

I think most people are simply going to feel too foolish playing this console to even give it a try.

More and more, this is looking like a HUGE gamble on Nintendo's part.

Why would you be embarrassed to play this in your own home?

 

[Juice]

I think the bottom line is:

If you don't like the idea of having to move your body to play games, you better be prepared for a lot of disappointment.

As we head toward the future, until you're able to jack-in ala The Matrix, game interface will change toward a more natural(human movement and voice) process to the point where instead of pressing the select button to navigate your inventory to equip a sword and pressing A button to attack, you'll be saying the word "sword" to equip it instantly and attack by actually swinging it like you would in real life.

There will come a point where you will eventually have to choose wether to go with the flow or take your boat out of the river.

QFT. It'll be funny in ten years when we see obesity rates of nerds and otaku INVERSE against the general population.

 

[BuzzJive]

Who but game dorks and small children will even open their minds enough to accept this?

I think most people are simply going to feel too foolish playing this console to even give it a try.

More and more, this is looking like a HUGE gamble on Nintendo's part.

You may be too young to remember - but this is what everybody said about videogames in general.

 

[Grug]

i'm all for it. I just don't wanna break anything. How many times have you actually thrown your controller in rage, or by accident. I know i have

I've gotta admit, it does worry me, especially with my girlfriend who loves Monkey Bowling and is a bit of a clutz.

 

[krypt0nian]

waitwaitwait....I thought EA sucked?

 

[DefectiveReject]

I've gotta admit, it does worry me, especially with my girlfriend who loves Monkey Bowling and is a bit of a clutz.

mine too.
I can imagine a rather intense Tennis match, palms getting sweaty and a viscious backswing sending my controller through the window!!

waitwaitwait....I thought EA sucked?

That was Yesterday!!

 

[Juice]

Who but game dorks and small children will even open their minds enough to accept this?

I think most people are simply going to feel too foolish playing this console to even give it a try.

More and more, this is looking like a HUGE gamble on Nintendo's part.

Yeah, I remember hearing that from "old people" during my toddling years with regards to a game pads with buttons that was somehow supposed to cast a button-pusher into a role on the screen that signified anything more.

They thought it'd look dumb then, and I'd maintain it still does--people just got used to it.

 

[Shmmeee]

i'm all for it. I just don't wanna break anything. How many times have you actually thrown your controller in rage, or by accident. I know i have

wrist strap?

 

[Juice]

waitwaitwait....I thought EA sucked?

They sucked until they said that ports weren't the answer. My religion is in shambles.

 

[yoopoo]

Glad to seem something different from EA. Hope their NHL game game uses the remote heavely too.

 

[snatches]

EA Burnaby is probably the most advanced development studio in the world. I've spent time there and let me tell you, if they have talented people working on games for Rev there, they will probably turn out awesome.

Innovation FTW. Nobody bought Madden on Gamecube...why would they try and straight port to Rev? I hope they have an NFL player get up at the Nintendo conference to show us how it is done, that would be sweet.

 

[jarosh]

madden wii.

 

[Galactic Fork]

I'm not sure if anybody here said EA doesn't suck, mostly it's surprise and shock at the attention their paying to the rev. That and many disagree with the control scheme. I'm going to take back my knee-jerk reaction of "oh crap that blows" and wait till I hear more. But I still think a point and pass set of controls is better than gestures. The running controls sound OK, and pretty in line with what I figured, but the passing and hiking... Well, I'll just wait.

QFT. It'll be funny in ten years when we see obesity rates of nerds and otaku INVERSE against the general population.

That'll happen after porn games start getting developed.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

madden wii.

Yeah. I'm trying to decide if I need to go back to all my old posts that mention "Rev", "Revoultion", or any incarnation there of, and edit in the name "Wii" now. :lol

 

[mckmas8808]

I would agree that the Madden customers do define "casual gamer", but I'd say they care about control more so than most gamers. Yes, graphics are high on the list, but I've heard more Madden players complain about the controls than most other players of other games. Precise, precision control is as important in a sports game like Madden as it is in nearly any other game, and when the controls suffer, Madden players complain.

THANK YOU!!!

Madden fans have always cared about controls.

 

[Kolgar]

You may be too young to remember - but this is what everybody said about videogames in general.

I'm 36, I've been playing games since the beginning, and no - I'm not about to waggle my arms, wand, or anything else in my living room unless it involves frenzied participation with a female.

Also, I don't remember people saying game CONTROLS were silly back then. They may have said the whole CONCEPT of video games was silly, and that early joysticks looked pretty phallic, but 30 years on, I think we've gotten past all that.

Nintendo's new control scheme is a risky gamble that smells of gimmicky. Call it a novelty if you like, but gimmicks and novelties both wear off quickly. And that, I think, is what will happen here.

Small children and game dorks, mark my words. Non-gamers and casuals will never bite and hold.

edit: The Japanese may like it. Perhaps Rev will be successful there; I'm predicting a much more muted reception elsewhere around the globe.

 

[Father_Brain]

This sounds disturbingly like the sort of game Mark Rein was talking about.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Kolgar: I'm the same age as you are, and have been playing games as long as you as well. Had Pong back in the day. Perhaps that's why we share the same outloook on the Rev...er..Wii.

As I said earlier, I'm interested in seeing what they come up with for using the controller, but I'm far from sold on the whole concept.

 

[shpankey]

That sounds gimmicky as fuck.

agreed

 

[Amir0x]

now the topic is complete.

 

[DD-11]

I just wonder how this is going to make games more fun. When I get home from work, and sit down to play video games, I want to relax and space out. How is this going to remain fun after the novelty wears off? After a while the controls melt away and you are left just playing a game, waving arms and miming a throwing motion is going to be annoying, silly and tiring. Especially if you want to do bullet passes all the time.

This is a gimmick and I can only see Nintendo's audience getting younger, not to mention smaller.

 

[Unresponsive Bee Victim]

I cannot wait, I hope that it turns out good.

 

[reaver18]

the controls sound annoying. something you'd find at an arcade, not something I would want to play everyday.

 

[hyp]

the controls sound annoying. something you'd find at an arcade, not something I would want to play everyday.

i'm feeling that this might be the case with a lot of third parties.... use an existing IP and attach some up + down - left + right motions to the game and throw it out to the market. of course they want in on the wii action, the more revenue the better.

i expect different things from 1st party nintendo exclusives though. that's probably where the true innovation will always be. i just can't help but be skeptical that 3rd parties aren't just going to strap on some gimmicky controls to their top selling games and call it "innovative."

look at the DS, a lot of the third party games are crap because devs didn't want to put in the extra effort to build innovative control schemes with the stylus. instead, scratching, tapping, or moving objects with the stylus is suddenly an "innovative" way to play their game.

 

[Companion Cube]

JS: We've created a separate group that we have in Canada here that's doing Madden and some other titles and they're just focused on Revolution. Their whole mantra is to create Revolution-specific versions of these games that are created just for the Revolution.

These guys?

 

[Leatherface]

the controls sound annoying. something you'd find at an arcade, not something I would want to play everyday.

Well then, it's a good thing they will also include support for the shell and a traditional control set up.

Options.

 

[BuzzJive]

I'm 36, I've been playing games since the beginning, and no - I'm not about to waggle my arms, wand, or anything else in my living room unless it involves frenzied participation with a female.

Also, I don't remember people saying game CONTROLS were silly back then. They may have said the whole CONCEPT of video games was silly, and that early joysticks looked pretty phallic, but 30 years on, I think we've gotten past all that.

Nintendo's new control scheme is a risky gamble that smells of gimmicky. Call it a novelty if you like, but gimmicks and novelties both wear off quickly. And that, I think, is what will happen here.

Small children and game dorks, mark my words. Non-gamers and casuals will never bite and hold.

edit: The Japanese may like it. Perhaps Rev will be successful there; I'm predicting a much more muted reception elsewhere around the globe.

And we'll get past the "moving more than your thumbs is a gimmick" aspect of gaming as well. I'm 30. I've been gaming since just about the beginning as well. Some of my favorite games this past gen are Guitar Hero, Donkey Konga and DDR. I also really enjoyed Halo 2, Ratchet and Clank, RE4, etc. etc.

This is the evolution of gaming. You should be able to move past being embarrassed or lazy or whatever it is that frightens you about moving something other than your thumbs and a finger or two to play games.

 

[TheDuce22]

This is the evolution of gaming. You should be able to move past being embarrassed or lazy or whatever it is that frightens you about moving something other than your thumbs and a finger or two to play games.

It will never replace traditional gaming. That is a fact. Your movements can never be as precise as pushing a single button. Also im not even sure it will catch on. The DS touch screen sounded great in theory but its just so clunky and such a pain in the ass to use. I avoid games that make it a major element of the gameplay.

 

[Companion Cube]

And we'll get past the "moving more than your thumbs is a gimmick" aspect of gaming as well. I'm 30. I've been gaming since just about the beginning as well. Some of my favorite games this past gen are Guitar Hero, Donkey Konga and DDR. I also really enjoyed Halo 2, Ratchet and Clank, RE4, etc. etc.

This is the evolution of gaming. You should be able to move past being embarrassed or lazy or whatever it is that frightens you about moving something other than your thumbs and a finger or two to play games.

Shshshshhh. Let him be. All the more room for us in... pawiidise... <giggle giggle>

 

[carlos]

It will never replace traditional gaming. That is a fact. Your movements can never be as precise as pushing a single button. Also im not even sure it will catch on. The DS touch screen sounded great in theory but its just so clunky and such a pain in the ass to use. I avoid games that make it a major element of the gameplay.

Suddenly your tag makes sense.....

Can someone here argue against him on a couple of these points?
I'm too lazy to do it myself right now...

 

[Slurpy]

It will never replace traditional gaming. That is a fact. Your movements can never be as precise as pushing a single button. Also im not even sure it will catch on. The DS touch screen sounded great in theory but its just so clunky and such a pain in the ass to use. I avoid games that make it a major element of the gameplay.

It almost sounds like you're being sarcastic- as your post is so ironic. Button based gaming WILL be replaced- it is only a matter of WHEN, not if. Objectively speaking, it is incredibly arcane, incredibly unintuitive. Games are trending more towards realism and immersiveness, I expect the controls to evolve beyond mere button presses to control onscreen action also.

 

[jman2050]

It will never replace traditional gaming. That is a fact. Your movements can never be as precise as pushing a single button. Also im not even sure it will catch on. The DS touch screen sounded great in theory but its just so clunky and such a pain in the ass to use. I avoid games that make it a major element of the gameplay.

The crucial flaw in your argument is that the DS touch screen rocks.

 

[John Harker]

I wonder if they are going to come out with a Pee-Wii League :lol

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

I think the bottom line is:

If you don't like the idea of having to move your body to play games, you better be prepared for a lot of disappointment.

Until we can jack-in ala "The Matrix", you'll see both traditional controlled games, and if the Rev-mote proves itself, more motion-controlled games. But I doubt one will completely replace the other...although Sony/MS might combine the two into one all-encompassing controller.

 

[KeithFranklin]

XAVIX Football

 

[Mrbob]

XAVIX Football

Don't joke about that! :lol

This control scheme seems better for an arcade style game. Would be cool with NFL Street.