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[Hilarion]

A slight bump? Have you done the math? It's significantly more pixels.

921,600 pixels vs 2,073,600 pixels.

Yes, it's ~2.2x as many pixels. It's a pretty intense jump.

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

So if you tell the Switch to output to TV at 720p, does it still render 1080p and downscale to 720p or does it simply output the same 720p from handheld mode?

 

[Betta Lines]

Going from 720p60 to 1080p60 is what I would indeed classify as "marginally better". It's just a slight bump in resolution, which most casual gamers would be hard pressed to even notice.

I don't agree. It is literally more than double the image quality.

 

[Graphics Horse]

But that's the thing... your field of view is so small that the resolution difference wouldn't matter that much...

You end up having to draw a lot more in 4 player mode, you might have over 40 karts to draw in bad situations, so lowering the resolution might not be a quick fix.

 

[Robin64]

So if you tell the Switch to output to TV at 720p, does it still render 1080p and downscale to 720p or does it simply output the same 720p from handheld mode?

It must be the first one, otherwise setting the console to 720p would be a fix for the Zelda drops and I haven't seen anyone say that works.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

So if you tell the Switch to output to TV at 720p, does it still render 1080p and downscale to 720p or does it simply output the same 720p from handheld mode?

it will still render at whatever resolution it's supposed to in docked mode and just send it over in 720p.

 

[Betta Lines]

1080p30 is significantly more pixels per second than 720p60... is there a technical reason why doing 720p60 might be more difficult for this 3-4 splitscreen mode?

 

[Krakatoa]

Its probably an engine issue. I'm sure if they could lower the res and keep up the frame rate they would have..

 

[fernoca]

How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

Smash on Wii U was 1080p60fps, so Nintendo at least could have their Switch games at thst. Will depend on priorities. Breath of the Wild is 900p on Switch and 720p in Wii U.

 

[phanphare]

I don't think og MK8 was dropping a frame. Wasn't it outputting the 59th frame twice?

Disclaimer: Idk how this works

correct, the game still ran at 60fps it just repeated a single frame when there were CPU players present

 

[RampagingSoul]

Smash on Wii U was 1080p60fps, so Nintendo at least could have their Switch games at thst. Will depend on priorities. Breath of the Wild is 900p on Switch and 720p in Wii U.

Smash probably achieved this since the game isn't graphically intensive at all. Potential Wii U ports could be 1080p60fps depending on how much work is done on the ports and what the game being ported is.

 

[Roo]

With four player splitscreen can another person with the game on Switch race those 4 locally? Two Switchs connected together with four playing on one while the other is played in handheld mode.

If you mean LAN mode (either Ethernet or local wireless) I don't think you can have more than 2 people in a single Switch console.

So no, in your case, you'd actually need three systems for all of you to play simultaneously.

 

[Bgamer90]

They should have chose 900p or even 720p to get 3-4 player play at 60 FPS. The screen is split so it's not like people will really notice the resolution drop.

Doesn't seem like a smart decision to drop it to 30 FPS just to keep it 1080p.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

correct, the game still ran at 60fps it just repeated a single frame when there were CPU players present

it showed a duplicate frame every 64 frames - that means that it would run at 59fps for 14 seconds, 60fps for one second, then back to 59fps for 14 seconds etc.

it was, in essence, 59fps if there were any cpu players present.

 

[DarkConfidant]

Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Ugh, I was hoping they’d do just that.

 

[mavericktopgun]

They should have chose 900p or even 720p to get 3-4 player play at 60 FPS. The screen is split so it's not like people will really notice the resolution drop.

Doesn't seem like a smart decision to drop it to 30 FPS just to keep it 1080p.

900p and 60fps in 4 Player mode?? How? Lol. That would be almost 90 million pixels/s

 

[Dr. Zoidberg]

Doesn't seem like a smart decision to drop it to 30 FPS just to keep it 1080p.

Agreed but people would complain either way. The past couple of years have been rife with people loudly complaining about sub-1080p games on here and elsewhere. It appears Nintendo feels that there may be less complaining about framerate than resolution, since they seem to prioritize resolution so far.

 

[calc84maniac]

They should have chose 900p or even 720p to get 3-4 player play at 60 FPS. The screen is split so it's not like people will really notice the resolution drop.

Doesn't seem like a smart decision to drop it to 30 FPS just to keep it 1080p.

I would say that the split screen would actually increase noticing the resolution drop. It's a matter of 360p vs 540p per player.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

900p and 60fps in 4 Player mode?? How? Lol. That would be almost 90 million pixels/s

hmm?

in splitscreen each view is rendered at the resolution of their portion of the screen.

for example, in 4 player splitscreen, the console is rendering 4 960x540 viewports.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Isnt this 2 months old? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1333637

Yeah I think we actually had a couple of threads on the matter, they talked about it quite a few times after the Switch's reveal.

 

[Bgamer90]

Agreed but people would complain either way. The past couple of years have been rife with people loudly complaining about sub-1080p games on here and elsewhere. It appears Nintendo feels that there may be less complaining about framerate than resolution, since they seem to prioritize resolution so far.

Kind of sad. I mean I get it for Xbox/PlayStation but I think many couldn't care less when it comes to Nintendo.

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I would say that the split screen would actually increase noticing the resolution drop. It's a matter of 360p vs 540p per player.

For me, the screen is already split so I'm not really focusing on graphics that heavily if I'm playing against 3 other people on the same screen. I would want the game to feel as smooth as possible to handle all of the on-screen action/gameplay.

 

[ramparter]

I would say that the split screen would actually increase noticing the resolution drop. It's a matter of 360p vs 540p per player.

True unless people believe it's 1080p per player screen lol

 

[//ARCANUM]

Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Totally in this camp too. 60fps above all else. ESPECIALLY for Mario Kart.

 

[AlStrong]

Wish they would offer a 720p/60fps for 3-4 players

Splitscreen places additional load on CPU/GPU with regards to geometry, so changing resolution may not have helped here.

 

[Lylo]

Sounds good to me. For those complaining about 1080p/30fps for 3-4 players, that's how the game was developed. It runs at 60fps but alternates the rendering between the upper and lower half of the screen.

 

[AdanVC]

So this means no more jaggies right?? MK8 is one of, if not the most beautiful looking Nintendo game ever but those damn jaggies all over ruined everything.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

So this means no more jaggies right?? MK8 is one of, if not the most beautiful looking Nintendo game ever but those damn jaggies all over ruined everything.

it still has no aa :/

it'll be much, much sharper though. but still prickly.

 

[Velocity:Design:Comfort]

Anyone know if they demoed the game 2v2 on 2 switches? Does it stay 720p 60 fps?

 

[AdanVC]

it still has no aa :/

it'll be much, much sharper though. but still prickly.

Buuuuh Nintendo, why u dislike aa so much? Oh well, sharper looking is really nice anyways. Screenshots will look prettier.

 

[KojiKnight]

Splitscreen places additional load on CPU/GPU with regards to geometry, so changing resolution may not have helped here.

This. It's very likely they would have had to do 30 fps regardless. Physics, ai, etc are going to eat more cpu resources as well.


Not sure why every time we have a conversation on gaf about frame rate, so many people assume that you can brute force higher fps by lowering resolution (or vice versa)

 

[sixteen-bit]

Isnt this 2 months old? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1333637

Yeah. I thought someone bumped an old thread.

 

[antibolo]

Should have gotten Shin'en for this port lol.

To be fair Fast RMX is a simpler game than Mario Kart 8.

 

[dragonflys545]

That's one weak ass upgrade from the Wii U.. wtf

Not surprise tho the lag in botw switch version is pretty bad at times lol...

 

[Garrett Hawke]

That's one weak ass upgrade from the Wii U.. wtf

2.25x the pixel count is a "weak ass upgrade"?

 

[shiyrley]

That's one weak ass upgrade from the Wii U.. wtf

921,600 pixels vs 2,073,600 pixels.
A 2.25x pixel count jump.

"Weak ass upgrade"

What were you expecting? 1080p 144 FPS?

I have a really hard time understanding people.

 

[dragonflys545]

2.25x the pixel count is a "weak ass upgrade"?

I'm talking about the 30fps mp

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

Is anyone else having trouble pre ordering this in the uk? It's been unavailable on Amazon for a while.

 

[shiyrley]

I'm talking about the 30fps mp

Ok but there's still a 2.25x upgrade in pixel count in mp.
921,600 pixels vs 2,073,600 pixels. In mp and sp.

Your point still makes exactly zero (0) (cero) sense.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

How is that even possible given Switch is a handheld and only marginally better than Wii U?

Can we expect a game like Mario Odyssey to be 1080p60fps as well? That would be insane

Well then I don't understand why game devs spend so much time optimizing games for 1080p (or higher) on consoles, since it's much more resource intensive to render twice as many pixels.

Spoiler

I actually don't understand, they should aim for 720p and higher framerates, please don't hate me gaf

 

[Lom1lo]

So why 1080p/30 instead of 720p/60 ? This doesnt make sense imo. The pixel density goes down by the factor 2 but the display size per player gets down by 4. So there is no big loss in pixel density for a player. (unless my math is false)
55 inch 1Player 1080p = 40,05 ppi
55 inch 4Players 720p = 32.64 ppi per player

 

[psyfi]

I'd prefer lower resolution and 60FPS, but oh well. I'll enjoy this regardless.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

So why 1080p/30 instead of 720p/60 ? This doesnt make sense imo. The pixel density goes down by the factor 2 but the display size per player gets down by 4. So there is no loss in pixel density for a player. (unless my math is false)
55 inch 1Player 1080p = 40,05 ppi
55 inch 4Players 720p = 65,27 ppi per player

cpu load is different, as different players see different things, and i imagine the player physics is of slightly higher fidelity than npc physics.

 

[dragonflys545]

Ok but there's still a 2.25x upgrade in pixel count in mp.
921,600 pixels vs 2,073,600 pixels. In mp and sp.

Your point still makes exactly zero (0) (cero) sense.

Dude I don't care about pixels make that shit 60 fps sp and mp. Local mp is where it'll get the most play time for me. Switch is weak period. Mario kart was never about graphics.

 

[shiyrley]

Dude I don't care about pixels make that shit 60 fps sp and mp. Local mp is where it'll get the most play time for me. Switch is weak period. Mario kart was never about graphics.

I am impressed by your ability to make points and discuss.

They probably could have made the game 720p60FPS in MP, just because they decided to boost resolution instead of framerate doesn't make the switch weaker, you still need the extra power for that.

But whatever, I forgot I am on the Internet. Ok, you can keep thinking the Switch isn't considerably more powerful than Wii U. I mean, whatever is in your mind won't change reality

 

[Lumination]

So why 1080p/30 instead of 720p/60 ? This doesnt make sense imo. The pixel density goes down by the factor 2 but the display size per player gets down by 4. So there is no loss in pixel density for a player. (unless my math is false)
55 inch 1Player 1080p = 40,05 ppi
55 inch 4Players 720p = 65,27 ppi per player

I think your math is wrong. I'm too lazy to do diagonal length math, so let's just use logic.

Suppose 1 player @ 1080p compared to 4 players @ 1080p. The 4 players each get 1/4 the screen area AND 1/4 the pixels. So pixels/area == (pixels/4) / (area/4). Same PPI or whatever metric you want to use. There's no way you can cut the pixels in half and expect the same or more PPI.

 

[patrickthehedgehog]

Wish 4 player splitscreen went with 60 but I'm forcing everyone to have their own switch to play with me anyway

*has all of glorious screen to self*

 

[Magnus]

This news was confirmed months ago, right?

Also, wow, I'll say it again, I had no idea MK8 wasn't 1080p already on the Wii U. Gorgeous game.

DF have analysed their footage and the 59fps jank has gone. It's smooth full 60 here.

What's the 59fps jank? Can the human eye even detect the difference between 59 and 60?

 

[dragonflys545]

I am impressed by your ability to make points and discuss.

They probably could have made the game 720p60FPS in MP, just because they decided to boost resolution instead of framerate doesn't make the switch weaker, you still need the extra power for that.

But whatever, I forgot I am on the Internet. Ok, you can keep thinking the Switch isn't considerably more powerful than Wii U. I mean, whatever is in your mind won't change reality

Exactly. Just let me say what I have to say coming from owning both a Wii U and Mario kart 8 with all the dlc. And Nintendo doing barely anything to justify that $60 they are asking for. Oh cool some new characters and a battle arena mode. I wouldn't be surprise if they have more maps coming as paid dlc down the line. Gotta keep milking the people who supports them.

 

[kubev]

Nice. I just finished BotW this morning, so MK8D can't come out soon enough.

 

[shiyrley]

What's the 59fps jank? Can the human eye even detect the difference between 59 and 60?

Yes. It's called stuttering. I noticed it on Wii U. It didn't bother me at all, but if I look for it I can see it.

I am going to get some post implying that I'm lying, I would like to say in advance that I don't really care enough to answer these.