• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

Mass Effect 3 Debut Trailer - Holiday 2011 - 360/PS3/PC

Meh....Earth, probably the one place in the fucking galaxy I had absolutely no interest in going to. Hopefully my Shep can just ignore the distress call and go mine a few more minerals instead. :/
 
anonnumber6 said:
We have to accept defeat, the Mass Effect where we can land on a desolate planet in a MAKO and discover pirate bases and threshar maws is over.

Embrace the RPG-Shooter hybrid

No. Oh and ME2 wasn't an RPG it was a corridor driven 3rd person shooter that went on for entirely too long. I am cautiously optimistic for the 3rd installment.
 
szaromir said:
Very true.

Oh there is one... mass effect itself! It's not explained in any way what it is exactly. Also, Bioware gets there science and technology explanations just wrong at times.

Element Zero is a well defined science fiction creation. Its not like the force, even after the force was discovered to be shit in your blood.
 
dejan said:
I really really doubt we will see Mass Effect 3 in 2011.

On the contrary I doubt it will be delayed because it's the first time the game is released as a multiplatform EA game at launch, they have already committed to a solid release date a year before launch which means they have a plan for the game to be a key money maker for their next holyday season.
It might be delayed if development issues arise, as with every game, but at this point I doubt it will be delayed for strategic reasons.
 
I really think the mos dissapointing thing of the trailer is not that the focus seems the Earth, it's the "recruit shit for ultimate battle" they did in ME2 seems back..., so the chances of improving the universe that surrounds ME and ME2 forgot is slim....

IoCaster said:
Space vampire/succubus is edging real close though.

But all that it's explained from a scientific standpoint..., it's not like "she's possesed by some Asari demon" or something.
 
HK-47 said:
Element Zero is a well defined science fiction creation. Its not like the force, even after the force was discovered to be shit in your blood.
Hmmm. Did Bioware attempt to build this Element Zero into any of the currently popular field theories? The description is just fishy to me, but if they did something like that, it'd be cool as hell. I'd gladly read it.
 
SenorDingDong said:
This may have been addressed already but what exactly does 'Holiday 2011' encompass? It seems a little vague.

The period from roughly September through Early December, generally.

I'm expecting a late October release, personally. I think they would have gone for the catchy 11-11-11 release date, but Bethesda got there first, and I doubt they'd want to release ME3 the same day as Skyrim (If they do, my wallet will weep and so will I, because where will I find the time?)
 
HK-47 said:
There are no blatant fantasy elements like in Star Wars yet.

Shepard gets resurrected

I wasn't really talking about tech/fantasy wise, but in tone. It intentionally hits all the notes from Star Wars that fans dig; crime lords and underworld gangs, urban dystopia, crazier ("darker") characters like the grizzled bounty hunter or emo biotic grrl, even in art direction and color palette throughout the game/menus.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Oh and no fucking stats screen at the end of a story quest. Really brings you out of the world.
If they're going for the same mission-style system in ME3, then I don't mind.

I actually liked it, with that epic music and Illusive Man screen.
 
Confidence Man said:
Pretty sad they have to add "richer RPG features" to an RPG. As long as Christina Norman is lead gameplay designer I have no hope for this game. This was the person who said Mass Effect was too "RPG-ish", that leveling up interrupts gameplay, planet scanning was "fun", etc...
credibility destroyed instantly.
 
Zen said:
I understand the point you're making, but it's only a point within the context of the larger argument about the Reaper strength, and that doesn't hing on Sovereign being able to tank the Citadel solo or not. My post was about you under valuing the strength of Sovereign and I pointed out why I felt that way. :P Sovereign being able to shit kick the entire Fifth Fleet that was exclusively focusing on him, and was almost completely ineffective in damaging him, is pretty good evidence to the point that the Citadel fleet would have suffered heavy loses if Sovereign had attempted a solo suicide mission.


This response will probably be unnoticed since I wasn't able to get back to it until 8000 posts have filled the gap, however, while I think the fleet would take some losses, the fact that it was actually the Geth that did the vast majority of the damage means people can't refer to Sovereign taking on the whole fleet as the metric for his power. It's just not true. The casualties the Alliance faces is really the only number metric you can use, and as it turns out, the Alliance has the most remaining in the end. That is really the point I'm making here. Not that Sovereign isn't tougher than a number of ships combined. Although, the new weapon tech throws a real wrench in the analysis.
 
szaromir said:
Hmmm. Did Bioware attempt to build this Element Zero into any of the currently popular field theories? The description is just fishy to me, but if they did something like that, it'd be cool as hell. I'd gladly read it.

This isnt fucking hard sci fi here. Its a space opera. Its already doing more than it needs to. If you wanna check whether their description of mass effect fields gels with your higgs equations, go to the ME Wiki.
 
alerus said:
This response will probably be unnoticed since I wasn't able to get back to it until 8000 posts have filled the gap, however, while I think the fleet would take some losses, the fact that it was actually the Geth that did the vast majority of the damage means people can't refer to Sovereign taking on the whole fleet as the metric for his power. It's just not true. The casualties the Alliance faces is really the only number metric you can use, and as it turns out, the Alliance has the most remaining in the end. That is really the point I'm making here. Not that Sovereign isn't tougher than a number of ships combined. Although, the new weapon tech throws a real wrench in the analysis.

I feel like people don't really remember this sequence very well. Sovereign attacks the Citadel with the assistance of the Geth fleet. It's clearly powerful but if Sovereign had not made it inside the Citadel before they sealed the arms it's possible it would have died in that battle. Without the Geth there it's almost a certainty.
 
HK-47 said:
Yeah it is. But it also isnt a huge part of the overall story.

Actually it did play a rather significant role in one of my games and it definitely ended the story for that Shepard. †RIP†
 
Relaxed Muscle said:
I really think the mos dissapointing thing of the trailer is not that the focus seems the Earth, it's the "recruit shit for ultimate battle" they did in ME2 seems back..., so the chances of improving the universe that surrounds ME and ME2 forgot is slim....

I don't see how anyone couldn't have seen the "recruit ally races" plot coming prior to the trailer. I don't know how it could have been foreshadowed any more clearly in the first two games. That's certainly what I was thinking about when I made decisions in ME2 that affected the potential readiness of various potential allies like the Quarians and Geth.

And I also don't see how that precludes expanding your view of the Universe. Maybe recruiting will mean that you get to see the home worlds of some more of the major races.
 
Wallach said:
I feel like people don't really remember this sequence very well. Sovereign attacks the Citadel with the assistance of the Geth fleet. It's clearly powerful but if Sovereign had not made it inside the Citadel before they sealed the arms it's possible it would have died in that battle. Without the Geth there it's almost a certainty.

/agree



tokkun said:
I don't see how anyone couldn't have seen the "recruit ally races" plot coming prior to the trailer. I don't know how it could have been foreshadowed any more clearly in the first two games. That's certainly what I was thinking about when I made decisions in ME2 that affected the potential readiness of various potential allies like the Quarians and Geth.

And I also don't see how that precludes expanding your view of the Universe. Maybe recruiting will mean that you get to see the home worlds of some more of the major races.


Yeah, I was always a bit disappointed that we didn't get to see more Homeworlds in the first two (besides Wrex-land in 2 which isn't exactly a compelling example of ancient alien culture given the circumstances), but I think it seems clear that they were saving this for the third, especially in these circumstances.

I guess the problem people have is it suggests there might not be a lot of plot development throughout the game. Getting a race on your side doesn't give you new clues to some mystery or something of the sort. I gather this is the problem people had with the structure of ME2 compared to ME1. However, while ME1's structure may have been able to facilitate a progressive growth better, I don't think it ultimately really did. You learned almost nothing from Novaria, Ferros, or Therum. The end of those missions was more like "okay we got what we came for so that we may eventually know more." It was more so the Citadel (for setup), Vermire and Illos that gave any real clues. Similarly, in ME2, it was really only the first talks with IM after the intro and Freedom's progress for setup, and then Horizon, the Collector Ship, that progressed the story before the end revelations.

I suppose the challenge is trying to move a story forward in a meaningful way when the player can approach it in a variety of different orders. It will almost be forced to have some special missions which occur after the completion of others. But again, this is no different than how ME1 is either. So as long as people are okay with that, I see no reason why ME3 will be any different. This is the Bioware formula, I highly doubt they will literally advance no understanding of the mysteries before the end. There will, again, surely be special missions that crop up along the rally quest.

/rant
 
What the fuck people? We know precisely three things about this game so far: that it involves Shepard, Earth, and reapers on said Earth. But according to people in this thread:

1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING

Calm down, GAF.
 
MGrant said:
What the fuck people? We know precisely three things about this game so far: that it involves Shepard, Earth, and reapers on said Earth. But according to people in this thread:

1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING

Calm down, GAF.
Shhh.... :)
 
MGrant said:
What the fuck people? We know precisely three things about this game so far: that it involves Shepard, Earth, and reapers on said Earth. But according to people in this thread:

1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING

Calm down, GAF.

Yeah. Calm down strawman GAF.
 
MGrant said:
What the fuck people? We know precisely three things about this game so far: that it involves Shepard, Earth, and reapers on said Earth. But according to people in this thread:

1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING

Calm down, GAF.
Do you any contributions regarding Mass Effect 3 or do you just want to bitch about GAF?
 
Lakitu said:
Whoever thinks this game is set all on earth is quite frankly an idiot.
Well considering the previous games in the series were all set on only one planet...

...oh wait. You're right.

My wishes for this game is that it'll have more varied quests (less shooting, more talking, thinking) and more RPG elements of course. I'd like it if they remodeled the gun upgrade system from ME2 to being like a skill-tree or something instead of just being straight upgrades with no choice involved.

Gonna have to play through ME1 and ME2 again before this game hits, create that one perfect save-file..
 
MGrant said:
What the fuck people? We know precisely three things about this game so far: that it involves Shepard, Earth, and reapers on said Earth. But according to people in this thread:

1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING

Calm down, GAF.

No one is saying number 1.
No one is saying number 2
No one is saying number 3
No one is saying number 4.

what people are saying is that the focus on earth seems odd considering the lack of importance of earth in previous ME games.

the other changes from ME1 to ME2 of streamlining and eliminating RPG elements may or may not carry forward to ME3, but the trailer does not really hint at it one way or another.
 
AmericanNinja said:
wow cool. looks like you dont get to play as shepherd. I think you play the guy holding out on earth.

I doubt it. Shepard shows up at the end of the trailer. The point is to show the desperate situation as you, as Shepard, try to get there. To show the stakes.

You may get to play as the guy holding out in the multiplayer, though.
 
MGrant said:
1. The game takes place on Earth and only on Earth.
2. There are absolutely no RPG elements.
3. Everything takes place in a corridor.
4. WHY WON'T THEY LISTEN TO MEEEE GOD I COULD MAKE A BETTER MASS EFFECT WITHOUT EVEN TRYING
Fascinating, I don't think I've seen a single person making any of those 4 statements.
 
Every trailer has focused on Shepherd coming to the call of a human colony or settled world. This was just to show that the Reapers are now targeting the homeworlds of every major race in the galaxy that is connected to the Mass Relay network. I liked how it made it clear that Shepherd hasn't decided whether or not to help Earth. He's there, but hasn't acted yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware allowed you to let Earth fall to the Reapers.
 
LCfiner said:
No one is saying number 1.
No one is saying number 2
No one is saying number 3
No one is saying number 4.

what people are saying is that the focus on earth seems odd considering the lack of importance of earth in previous ME games.

the other changes from ME1 to ME2 of streamlining and eliminating RPG elements may or may not carry forward to ME3, but the trailer does not really hint at it one way or another.
Nobody may be saying any of that individually, but all of those are are elements of the impression one takes away from reading this thread. Or at least, that's the impression I've been getting.

Personally, though, I think a lot of people are jumping the gun. I'm going to await for more information before I begin to worry about this game. I have faith in BioWare.
 
CF_Fighter said:
Every trailer has focused on Shepherd coming to the call of a human colony or settled world. This was just to show that the Reapers are now targeting the homeworlds of every major race in the galaxy that is connected to the Mass Relay network. I liked how it made it clear that Shepherd hasn't decided whether or not to help Earth. He's there, but hasn't acted yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware allowed you to let Earth fall to the Reapers.

Big decision: Save Earth, or save the rest of the universe.
 
CF_Fighter said:
Every trailer has focused on Shepherd coming to the call of a human colony or settled world. This was just to show that the Reapers are now targeting the homeworlds of every major race in the galaxy that is connected to the Mass Relay network. I liked how it made it clear that Shepherd hasn't decided whether or not to help Earth. He's there, but hasn't acted yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Bioware allowed you to let Earth fall to the Reapers.


I actually would be surprised but this could be one of the best things they could do. a combination of story elements and gameplay choices that make saving Earth an impossibility.
 
IoCaster said:
Meh....Earth, probably the one place in the fucking galaxy I had absolutely no interest in going to.

*sigh* basically this. I mean the game will be great, but I hope earth plays about as big a role as it did in Halo 2.
 
What they need is to add a kickass space ship battle mode, just some levels on key parts of the story, and drop every other shitty land vehicle.
Bonus points to Bioware if the conclusion of the renegade path is Shepard fighting all alone due to being an asshole to everyone else in the galaxy.
 
HK-47 said:
This isnt fucking hard sci fi here. Its a space opera. Its already doing more than it needs to. If you wanna check whether their description of mass effect fields gels with your higgs equations, go to the ME Wiki.
Looked it up, nothing interesting there. :(
Advance_Alarm said:
if you pause the game there is a codex entry that explains it
I read the first novel before ME came out, after that Codex in ME seemed redundant and I never bothered to read it.
 
brandonh83 said:
*sigh* basically this. I mean the game will be great, but I hope earth plays about as big a role as it did in Halo 2.
It will prolly be the finale and that's it. I mean the teaser is the dude waiting for Shep to get there.
 
Top Bottom