KingItachi
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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Didn't they kill that theory
Well, at 83% it's not a HUGE stretch. Even if he's confusing it he should still have access to that scene.
As far as I can tell they didn't actually kill it but that doesn't mean it's right. Unfortunately it makes about 1000% more sense than what they gave us.
Arjen
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BELIEVE!
Considering that Shepard literally melt in the green ending, i dont see how did you expect Shepard to come back, unless it was as a ghost.
KingItachi
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I found this interesting http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012...er-mass-effect-3s-ending-makes-ken-levine-sad I don't agree with him.
Baby Shepard body with normal Shepard face is born from edi and jokers forbidden romance.
That just doesn't sound fair. I did everything I could minus making better choices in ME1 and 2 and I only had 3500. Yet people can play MP for a few hours and have more success than me. Bioware really fucked up in this game.
Then again it's not like any of that matters anyway with their current ending
Edi is not there when you choose destroy.
What do you expect people do when you warn them? Stop playing a game they enjoy?
edit: sorry for DP
Yeah, sorry, I had total military strenght of 7000, my EMS was 5810.
UnluckyKate
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we had 200 pages of this... wow...
Arjen
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I don't agree either.
If you market your game with, all the choices matter, everyone will have different endings etc. You have to deliver that, period.
If you give something else then you promised, the people have the right to be mad.
If Rembrandt painted a fluffy kitten instead of the Nachtwacht, the guy that gave him the job would demand a change to.
dragonelite
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Proof please
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Levine isn't saying people don't have a right to be mad, just that the author has authority on what they create and if they don't want to make an alternate ending, they don't have to. And he opposes the idea of them doing so.
Jake Tower
Banned
I just let them know they don't need to stress out over EMS level since it really doesn't matter. I don't think they listened, though.
Would you listen?
I saw comments regarding the EMS and "don't put too much effort into ME3" before I finished it. I still did everything and stretched it out as much as I could. And in hindsight I would do it again.
People even messaged me "BAD GAME" when I started it up on Steam ... such behaviour is really bad.
Yeah, I agree here. And like said we're probably not going to see many people fully content, the (current) staff couldn't do the ending they wanted, while players are just given some crap to make them shut up. Either it won't be as satisfying as if it were the ending in the first place (how I'd probably feel), there won't be as much effort put in so it'll be half assed (taken as an actual alternate ending Broken Steel WAS pretty lame), or it'll only pander to people who want a perfect happy ending and still leave most of us in here embittered and frustrated. For me the best solution is to lament how they blew it, and move on. That, or just go "fuck it", make an ME4 set in the distant future, and take us all by surprise at how it leverages off of the current ME3 ending, but maybe that's just my hope alone.
Personally, I wouldn't care whether or not it affect the ending, since i love doing everything a game has to offer before reaching the end. I did it in ME1 and ME2 and it had 0 effect on their ending whether i did everything or not.
Jake Tower
Banned
I did listen.
Jake Tower
Banned
Me too, but in this case doing everything means playing the multiplayer which I have no interest in outside of affecting the EMS. I was glad I heeded the advice.
PinkCrayon
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Well if you didn't do everything (loyalty missions at least) in ME2, you and your squadmates might not live...
That makes me a bit sad.
Jake Tower
Banned
They where right. I'm glad they warned me.
I also thought that when multiplayer was first announced, i mean "Mass Effect was always a solo game, not touching that multi shit", but i started it this week and its actually fun!
Anyway, when i beated the campaign last week, i never touched multiplayer and still got a full green bar and everything.
I know that, but when i said everything, i also include the useless N7 missions. I don't know why i did, but i still did these missions. Maybe, somehow, i was hoping something would transfer into ME3 like that nuke mission where we save either a city or a factory. Boy was i wrong.
Yeah, Ceberus is dead and I couldn't give a s-. Aria can walk in to Omega and pick up the scraps herself.
Jake Tower
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My green bar was filled too, but that's not your EMS.
As for the multiplayer, pretty much the whole single player game is wave/horde mode anyway, so I had my fill there. I'm one of the minority in this thread that isn't impressed by ME3 combat in itself.
Now my copy of ME3 has unused online pass code so I can sell/trade it and get more for it.
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When you post on facebook: "We are considering changing the ending" All theories are dead, killed.
universalmind
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Not really. Indoctrination was originally going to be part of the ending where you lost control of your character, so all the evidence and pointers leading up to the ending are legit..
I don't remember anyone saying those words.
So I was just talking with a friend about how I felt about the ending. She finished the game before me but was very good at not spoiling me (I explicitly asked for no spoilers) on the horribleness of the ending.
I was just telling her... I understand why they had to go on after the Reaper Beam even though most people thought that the game should've ended right there, I think BioWare wanted us to make it to the beam to give some closure to the whole TIM vs Shepard thing. It makes sense. Too bad they did that horribly too. I mean, how hard would it have been to have done this. This is like, common sense. I came up with it in 10 minutes and on the fly:
1. (REN) Shoot TIM, but to make it a bad choice, have to shoot Anderson before shooting TIM...for whatever reasons (someone assumed direct control)
OR (PAR) Use your peace points to struggle out of the control and straight up shoot TIM
2. Hackett hits up Shepard, tells him beam isn't firing, Shepard needs to set off one final command (just like the original ending up until this point) and Shepard struggles to get to the pad...he falls out. Q blackness
3. Cut back to earth, things are truly getting dire, show the rubble around the beam, show the two squadmates you brought with you coughing up blood, still alive, but immobile.
4. HERES WHERE DECISIONS COME IN...If you have at least TWO or more squadmates in addition to the two you lost to the beam, they make their way to the beam in hopes of following their commander. The reapers have not monitored the area after apparently killing shepard, so they make it by unscathed, find your two squadmates that got hit by the beam and they all enter the beam to find shepard. If you have no additional squadmates other than the two you initially picked, they can't get carried up, and no one else makes it up to the beam and find shepard on the ground.
5. Shepard wakes up, sees his team, remembers what hackett says, and find that they must carry out the last command. He ignores his crew and crawls to the little control panel, gets ready to do whatever he needs to, then WAIT! Insert any retconned thing here you want: Prothean, "The Catalyst," Liara, TIM waking up <--- any of these can theoretically work despite being kind of retconned.
6. Last choice of the game. Retconned plot device tells you that there are two options to detonating the crucible. One is a safeguard, the other is a full out strike. In the full out strike, all reapers in the universe will be destroyed, but those in close proximity to the blast, or who put in the final command, will also die to pay the price for destroying the reapers completely. This will also destroy the mass relay on the one planet where the crucible is detonated. The second option is the option where the crucible will destroy the immediate reaper threat but will not destroy ALL of them. They will be gone for an indefinite time but they will return in the next few centuries. This option does not kill the one or those who detonate it. Which method of detonation do you choose?
7. (PARAGON) -> The full strike. Shepard, being the savior he is, chooses to destroy the reaper threat once and for all to save all of the galaxy for good. The creww all decides to detonate the shit WITH shepard and thereby all dying with their commander. Cut to 10 years later, showing the ten year anniversary of the reapers deaths where everyone gathers (through vid com, and on the planets that each crew member was from) to honor those that finished the fight. Everyone who was a crew member at one point on the Normandy brings flowers to earth once a year, as the entire normandy crew is buried on Earth. Joker is the only survivor. Even after 10 years, planets are still rebuilding. And mass relay plans are in the works for earth.
(RENEGADE) -> The safeguard; Shepard decides to use the safeguard to destroy the immediate threat along with himself and his crew. Ironically, the Renegade option gets the "happy" yet "selfish" ending. The crew survives, and blahdeblah. Cut to "300 years later" They have honored Shepard by having him be the first human to have tested prolonging the lifespan of humans similar to that of the Asari. He looks older, but he's still kicking. If you romanced Liara, you are with her and your child(ren). If you romanced Ashley, you offered her the life prolonging shit so that you can live together, etc. If you romanced no one, no scene with love interest. Shepard looks out one night to reminisce about all the bullshit he's been through, and in the distant night sees a fucking red reaper laser flash across the sky and destroy the stars. Cue credits
Done. Cheesy, but done, satisfying, and better than that catalyst shit. Fuck this game. That's my ending.
I was just telling her... I understand why they had to go on after the Reaper Beam even though most people thought that the game should've ended right there, I think BioWare wanted us to make it to the beam to give some closure to the whole TIM vs Shepard thing. It makes sense. Too bad they did that horribly too. I mean, how hard would it have been to have done this. This is like, common sense. I came up with it in 10 minutes and on the fly:
1. (REN) Shoot TIM, but to make it a bad choice, have to shoot Anderson before shooting TIM...for whatever reasons (someone assumed direct control)
OR (PAR) Use your peace points to struggle out of the control and straight up shoot TIM
2. Hackett hits up Shepard, tells him beam isn't firing, Shepard needs to set off one final command (just like the original ending up until this point) and Shepard struggles to get to the pad...he falls out. Q blackness
3. Cut back to earth, things are truly getting dire, show the rubble around the beam, show the two squadmates you brought with you coughing up blood, still alive, but immobile.
4. HERES WHERE DECISIONS COME IN...If you have at least TWO or more squadmates in addition to the two you lost to the beam, they make their way to the beam in hopes of following their commander. The reapers have not monitored the area after apparently killing shepard, so they make it by unscathed, find your two squadmates that got hit by the beam and they all enter the beam to find shepard. If you have no additional squadmates other than the two you initially picked, they can't get carried up, and no one else makes it up to the beam and find shepard on the ground.
5. Shepard wakes up, sees his team, remembers what hackett says, and find that they must carry out the last command. He ignores his crew and crawls to the little control panel, gets ready to do whatever he needs to, then WAIT! Insert any retconned thing here you want: Prothean, "The Catalyst," Liara, TIM waking up <--- any of these can theoretically work despite being kind of retconned.
6. Last choice of the game. Retconned plot device tells you that there are two options to detonating the crucible. One is a safeguard, the other is a full out strike. In the full out strike, all reapers in the universe will be destroyed, but those in close proximity to the blast, or who put in the final command, will also die to pay the price for destroying the reapers completely. This will also destroy the mass relay on the one planet where the crucible is detonated. The second option is the option where the crucible will destroy the immediate reaper threat but will not destroy ALL of them. They will be gone for an indefinite time but they will return in the next few centuries. This option does not kill the one or those who detonate it. Which method of detonation do you choose?
7. (PARAGON) -> The full strike. Shepard, being the savior he is, chooses to destroy the reaper threat once and for all to save all of the galaxy for good. The creww all decides to detonate the shit WITH shepard and thereby all dying with their commander. Cut to 10 years later, showing the ten year anniversary of the reapers deaths where everyone gathers (through vid com, and on the planets that each crew member was from) to honor those that finished the fight. Everyone who was a crew member at one point on the Normandy brings flowers to earth once a year, as the entire normandy crew is buried on Earth. Joker is the only survivor. Even after 10 years, planets are still rebuilding. And mass relay plans are in the works for earth.
(RENEGADE) -> The safeguard; Shepard decides to use the safeguard to destroy the immediate threat along with himself and his crew. Ironically, the Renegade option gets the "happy" yet "selfish" ending. The crew survives, and blahdeblah. Cut to "300 years later" They have honored Shepard by having him be the first human to have tested prolonging the lifespan of humans similar to that of the Asari. He looks older, but he's still kicking. If you romanced Liara, you are with her and your child(ren). If you romanced Ashley, you offered her the life prolonging shit so that you can live together, etc. If you romanced no one, no scene with love interest. Shepard looks out one night to reminisce about all the bullshit he's been through, and in the distant night sees a fucking red reaper laser flash across the sky and destroy the stars. Cue credits
Done. Cheesy, but done, satisfying, and better than that catalyst shit. Fuck this game. That's my ending.
Jake Tower
Banned
Yeah, so I "stand by" my support of Indoctrination because of the evidence. That is, that was the original intent for the ending so lots of hints are in the game despite the deus ex machina they tacked on later. At this point I believe the palette swap/Space Casper ending was the final intended ending, but the remnants of the indoctrination ending are still there further adding to the big hot mess.
Yep.
Ironically, I'd be more ok with that than I was with ME2 getting GOTY, because I think overall ME2 had far more problems.
Because, seriously, barring those final 10 minutes, ME3 is an easy 9/10.
I still prefer ME1, but that's simply because it's a different type of game, and one that's far closer to the type of game I prefer.
As for the new thread:
Mass Effect 3 Spoilers [OT2] Home of the Entitled Gamer
ThoseDeafMutes
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I don't think you can call this a Deus Ex Machina ending since the entire game was built around the idea that the Crucible was a reaper killing superweapon, although we didn't exactly know what it did. It doesn't come out of nowhere and solve all the problems, it's built up and the last minute reveal makes the situation far worse, not better, as we find out that it destroys the foundation of their society in it's deployment.
Arjen
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Was this posted? BBC has an article on the whole situation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17444719
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@ universalmind
EatChildren
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The difference between ME2 and ME3 is, despite how the bitter minority feels, ME2 ended on a good note for the majority. People soured by it winning like to forget that, despite how they felt, the general buzz surrounding ME2 was very positive. It won because, for a lot of people, there was little negative upon reflection.
I don't really have the same faith in ME3 as I feel a lot of people were soured by the ending and, come end of the year, other bigger titles with more consistent quality will probably overshadow it.
But then again, MGS4 won GAF's GOTY if I recall correctly, so ME3 probably will too.
I don't really have the same faith in ME3 as I feel a lot of people were soured by the ending and, come end of the year, other bigger titles with more consistent quality will probably overshadow it.
But then again, MGS4 won GAF's GOTY if I recall correctly, so ME3 probably will too.
As soon as they first mentioned The Catalyst, I said to my brother instantly: SHEPARD IS THE CATALYST.
We both laughed hysterically at how cliche it'd be.
WanderingWind
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Damn. BBC is reporting on it? That's crazy.
The ME2 ending satisfied me because it actually gave you a chance to have all the shit you did during the game recruiting a bunch of people be satisfying. To go face impossible odds with your crew, and have your decisions decide whether or not they survived...that is called having all your work up to that point being validated.
In ME3, the crew and all other races you helped are nonexistent in the last 5 minutes.
In ME3, the crew and all other races you helped are nonexistent in the last 5 minutes.
Nah, i expect games like Diablo 3 or Guild Wars 2 to win GOTY before ME3. As good as the rest of the game was, the ending was like a punch in the face after a friendly chat with your best friend.
It came to my mind at Cerberus Base when watching the recreation recordings with TIM.
ThoseDeafMutes
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This is GAF dude. The ending is just the specific manifestation of the inevitable hate. Did you see the GAF prerelease threads? It was negativity 24/7. People actually went as far as to suggest that ME1 was an enjoyable game! Lunacy!
Well now, when Casey Hudson and/or Walters gives us that PR talk, will mention how the reaction of their shitty ending ended up being featured on CNN, Fox AND the BBC.
Take that New York Times and Penny Arcade!
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Mass Effect was and is still an enjoyable game despite its shitty inventory and Mako controls.
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