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Mass Effect 3: Voice Cast Trailer & GAF Plymouth Rock Town Meeting
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What's the scandal?
EatChildren
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Not so much a scandal as it being arguably the worst writing to come out of anything associated with the franchise, to the point of absurdly conflicting with established canon.
Nemesis_
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Yeah, I apologise for the hyperbolic language. =P
EatChildren
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I like the other books in a "oh god this is cheesy but MOAR MASS EFFECT" kinda way. They're extremely basic reading, but easy to follow and at least are largely consistent with themes and characters. They're stories that flow like a story should, and since Drew Karpyshyn has worked heavily on the franchise they were true to the canon. They were nice for extra back story and expanding the game universe.
Deception, on the other hand, is ripe with plot points and lore that conflicts directly with the canon. It's hilarious how bad it is, and clear that Dietz had no grasp on the game universe.
Its a weird thing to get riled up about I guess, but seriously, there's so many big, obvious mistakes you wonder how they managed to go to print. For example, there's a Batarian embassy on the Citadel. The Batarians opposing the Citadel council and their laws, to the point of removing their embassy from the Citadel, has been a running theme throughout both games. Yet the book implies the opposite.
Sounds great... I agree that the other books are definitely on the readable scale where game books go, but then game books in general are pretty dire.
Nemesis_
Member
Some of those gripes are ridiculous sci fi nerd kind of problems that remind me of that Xena episode of The Simpsons.
But some of them are really fucking terrible oversights that almost anyone who plays Mass Effect would know. Pretty terrible stuff.
Also
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Us..._Open_Letter_Regarding_Mass_Effect:_Deception
EatChildren
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Well yeah, I was thinking that. I might love Mass Effect but I don't care enough to be really phased by the little things. Like, I don't give a shit about the introduction of heat sinks and exclusion of omni-gel in Mass Effect 2. I'm happy for stuff to change in favour of better gaming.
But when it's a big, huge obvious thing you pretty much have to go out of your way to fuck up, then I'm just...confused. Really confused. Mass Effect: Evolution was similar, simply due to how horrendously it handled the First Contact War with stuff that also didn't make any sense.
Arjen
Member
Wow, there are some serious fuck ups in there
Nemesis_
Member
Some of the gripes are pretty major now that I am reading this document a bit more.
Volus being described in a way where they would die?
A substance considered to be poisonous no longer being poisonous?
And all those timeline issues that pop up
Such weird things to overlook. Why did Karpyshyn step down?
Volus being described in a way where they would die?
A substance considered to be poisonous no longer being poisonous?
And all those timeline issues that pop up
Such weird things to overlook. Why did Karpyshyn step down?
EatChildren
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Probably busy with other projects. He did write three books, and I'm pretty sure he worked to some extent on Mass Effect 3. No doubt EA/BioWare wanted to continue the novel series and farmed it out to someone else.
Takamura-San
Member
Wow.... BW hatred going new lows.
I want to know which reporter out there ad libs the news these days.
I wonder if other games are held to such VA high standards.
Nemesis_
Member
I think he was more referring to Chobot reading her lines?
Either way people are overreacting about this way too much. I hate the idea too but I am not worrying too much. It's not like DIANA ALLERS WILL BE THE ONE TO SAVE THE GALAXY
toastyToast
Member
Why did they model Chobot's character after her? It looks awful and uncanny.
So odd.
So odd.
Yvonne's character model from ME2 looks like garbage too. They try to make dead ringer models, and not only does it not work, but it becomes fucking weird looking. They even tried to get Yvonne's teeth right, which Makes Miranda look so fucking strange.
AdmiralSnackbar
Member
It's almost like someone read a summary of the first two games and then wrote a fanfiction to fill in the rest of the universe. Was no one at Bioware involved in this ?
DerZuhälter
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Doublesith
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Karpyshyn moved over to SWTOR, wrote a KOTOR-SWTOR bridge novel that came out a couple of months ago and is currently writing another SWTOR novel. Not sure how much he has to do with ME3 apart from whatever high level planning was done for the whole trilogy when they were starting out.
That's just sad.
really? how did they mess that up? heard the first book was actually decent.
EatChildren
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Some people hate the books because their pretty cheesy, very basic in writing, and fall back on some annoying literary tropes (Kahlee Sanders is a Mary Sue, through and through), but yeah, in the context of being an easy read for lovers of the universe they're decent.
Deception is not because, as Lothars said, they changed to a new writer, someone who obviously didn't follow the series canon, and wasn't kept in check by BioWare.
Walters is guilty of it too. Evolution in particular makes little to no sense.
Hudson will do the PR stuff as he's always done. I wouldn't be surprised if he never even read the book.
Yeah I thought the same thing, He's just trying to sell the books but I am dissapointed in how bad Deception sounds. I probably won't read it now.
Arjen
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What does it say? Twitter is blocked here.
shingonation
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The way I see this situation:
Diana Allers is a reporter, her role is not bigger than Kelly Chambers, so instead of doing another generic looking character they chosen a "famous", in this case Jessica Chobot. Why? dunno, she's semi-popular in the gaming world, has a pretty face, surely isn't as expensive compared with others dedicated voice-actors, etc.
That's the trade, i'm kinda indifferent about this, just hope that the obvious romance is tasteful, not just flirting starting the first conversation. And that the character has some personality, some clash of opinions with other characters, some reason for her to stay in the ship.
Diana Allers is a reporter, her role is not bigger than Kelly Chambers, so instead of doing another generic looking character they chosen a "famous", in this case Jessica Chobot. Why? dunno, she's semi-popular in the gaming world, has a pretty face, surely isn't as expensive compared with others dedicated voice-actors, etc.
That's the trade, i'm kinda indifferent about this, just hope that the obvious romance is tasteful, not just flirting starting the first conversation. And that the character has some personality, some clash of opinions with other characters, some reason for her to stay in the ship.
Takamura-San
Member
I don't know about you, but started hitting on kelly from the get go.
Some reviewed the book.
Q: is the book awesome?
A: Yes.
Q: How awesome?
A: So Awesome.
Real Tweet:
@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
Finished my final review of the #MassEffect Deception novel. A really fun lead-in to #ME3! Kai Leng is a badass. January 31 release.
I kinda liked the first few books but they were relatively boring, at least until the last one Drew did because it finally involved the Reapers. I'm kind of pissed I skipped this new book because I didn't care much for the lore anymore, but now I want to see how deliciously awful it is.
Why does she salute Shepard?
EatChildren
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Because if she doesn't he'll knock off her jaw.
she's an idiot.
Takamura-San
Member
Military reporter?
I wonder if the book is bad on a vacuum, or is it bad because how disjointed it is related to the base fiction.
Arjen
Member
Thanks.
Looks like the book is Evolution bad, already ordered it, so i'm bracing myself.
Fair and balanced.
LightofRohan
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Haha, I read the Wiki letter and was impressed with them standing up for integrity of the franchise and refusing to associate the book w/ the series. But then I thought, what if this is the same with Mass Effect 3? Are they going to leave the game out as well? But I'm sure ME3 will be consistent with the lore... haha... ha... oh shit.
What has happened with Bioware? Seriously. All they had to do was make a goddam trilogy and then after that whore it out as much as they like. If they just stuck to their guns and made the game how it should be made, the trilogy could possibly live on forever. But now it is looking like it will be forgotten in time...
Its why everyone LOVED ME2 when it released and probably will love ME3 when it releases, but it's a cheap thrill that fades quickly.
EatChildren
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I doubt there will be much of a stink over ME3. The negative few are always the loudest, and in the case of something like ME2, you'll find the audible backlash on GAF not anywhere close to being an accurate representation of the core fanbase. Even with it's problems, ME2 fits quite comfortably in the series canon. It's stuff like Evolution and Deception that are true "WTF" moments.
Fine Ham Abounds
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shingonation
Member
I've read almost all the second leak of ME3, without spoiling, you will be surprised on how well written it is and how well it binds with previous stablished plot points, both the main plot and specially the side arcs, I'm totally serious.
In the worst case scenario will still be much better than ME2, i'm sure of that, and there is more than one scene that will defy the epicness of the battle of the citadel if executed right.
BTW, OXM is doing a Mass Effect 3 week with some new info:
http://www.oxm.co.uk/38275/mass-effect-3s-insanity-mode-harsher-deeper-but-fairer/
EatChildren
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What's weird is I was just looking at those and thinking they hadn't been posted.
Get out of my head Nirolak.
Get out of my head Nirolak.
LightofRohan
Member
Ah thanks for the insight (w/out spoiling)! That settles my mind a bit. With all the negative views I have against where the series is headed, I'm still fucking Jersey pumped up for ME3.
StalkerUKCG
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Dietz also wrote the worst Halo book, stop employing the guy.
EatChildren
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That's Anderson.
On another note, in the voice cast trailer, is that Captain Armando Bailey?
On another note, in the voice cast trailer, is that Captain Armando Bailey?
I've always played as femshep since me1. She just sounds better then maleshep.
The Technomancer
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I did MaleShep when I first played ME1, got four hours into the game and put it down because I wasn't feeling it. Picked it up again a month later, started over with FemShep and never looked back.