Clever Pun
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ioi said:Also, the old DS vs PS2 graph is looking even more insane:
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DS&name2=PS2&type=2
So the DS will hit 10 million 30-40 weeks before the ps2 did? WOW.
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So the DS will hit 10 million 30-40 weeks before the ps2 did? WOW.
Seriously it would have been better for MS not to even try in Japan at all. Concentrate resources and mindshare in the West where you can actually make an impact. At least that way they could say "we don't care about that market" rather than having that market not care about them.
Hahah how can Pocket Station have sold at a faster rate the PSP? That's horrid! Honestly, I'm suprised pocket station ever sold that much.... Did it have any use other then that random thing in FFVIII? That's the only time I heard of it. :-/
Xbox 360's showing is ermmm worse......
Xbox 360's showing is ermmm worse......
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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the amazing thing is that the DSL still has shortages in Japan! Im guessing without shortages it would be 200.000 
Earthstrike
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Does the DSL still have the shortages though?
Can we hear someone from Japan?
Can we hear someone from Japan?
Earthstrike
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Guys we need to start brainstorming next week's theme.
JoshuaJSlone
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Let's see... double last year's DS yealry total would be 8.30 million. So far this year DS+DSL has sold 3.55 million. So to reach that double, DS+DSL would need to sell about 4.75 million more, in the same time period that DS sold 3.08 million last year. So about a 54% increase year over year. Which, with the numbers of the last few months, seems quite possible. Maybe not in every single week (a 900K December week?), but just comparing single weeks with their 2005 counterparts DS+DSL has been up 84-721% every week since Lite launch, so these pre-holiday weeks might make up for it.Culex said:
In Kobun Heat's blogging about his recent trip to Japan he mentions (and has photos) of how almost all DS Lites are marked way up from their MSRP, so it does seem demand is still greater than supply.Earthstrike said:
Razoric said:
Yeah, PSP still has a couple of years in it yet, I can't believe how it still sells 25k a week with hardly any software sales?
The comparison to PocketStation is probably a bit silly, but someone asked the question in a previous thread and I have the numbers now so there you go
For better or worse, I personally consider it highly unlikely that the scarcity of DS Lite's in Japan will wane until maybe next Spring. I think some of what we're seeing now is still pent up demand from months ago.
FFIII will release at the end of August, and Nintendo has stated that they'd have sufficient DS Lite's available for its release. Short of 1 million, I don't think what they have will be "sufficient." No, I'm not joking. If Nintendo actually released 1 million DS Lite's at FFIII's release, there might actually be some easily found on the store shelves for the next few weeks. Until Pokemon hit. Since there's no way that Nintendo will have that many available for one week, the shortages will continue.
There might be a slight wane (read: < 100K per week with some available supply) in early-November (especially with the PS3 and Wii launching), but then New Year's will hit (see Januay-February 2006 DS sales). That early-November possible swoon is kind of a stretch, though.
FFIII will release at the end of August, and Nintendo has stated that they'd have sufficient DS Lite's available for its release. Short of 1 million, I don't think what they have will be "sufficient." No, I'm not joking. If Nintendo actually released 1 million DS Lite's at FFIII's release, there might actually be some easily found on the store shelves for the next few weeks. Until Pokemon hit. Since there's no way that Nintendo will have that many available for one week, the shortages will continue.
There might be a slight wane (read: < 100K per week with some available supply) in early-November (especially with the PS3 and Wii launching), but then New Year's will hit (see Januay-February 2006 DS sales). That early-November possible swoon is kind of a stretch, though.
Clever Pun
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donny2112 said:
exactly - i've been saying the same thing for a few weeks. How can nintendo possibly meet DS demand when FFIII & Pokemon drop if they can't meet it right now? There's just no way they will get out from under this shortage until next spring, unless they start making a LOT more.
Since no one seems to think sales are going to cool down, I think there is a more important question - What is the saturation point in the market?
Is it the 20+ million # like the PS2, or is it more? Is Nintendo really selling past the traditional gaming market?
Obviously we won't know anytime soon, but is it possible they could sell 25-30 million in Japan ALONE?
Is it the 20+ million # like the PS2, or is it more? Is Nintendo really selling past the traditional gaming market?
Obviously we won't know anytime soon, but is it possible they could sell 25-30 million in Japan ALONE?
It should be taken into account that the production process of a semi-new product such as the DS lite is not static. They may greatly increase ther capacity in just a few months to prevent shortages of the nature that are being described, so I certanly doubt we will see them all the way to next spring. Almost one year ahead is a looong time to make sure the production capabilities are increased according to more than expected demand.
Fuzzy said:
Yeah, to coincide with stuff like the world-outside-Japan launches, Final Fantasy III and prepping for the fall onslaught with Pokemon. Asian models also ship this month.
I have a feeling we may get a proper Korean launch soon now that Nintendo of Korea has been established
Clever Pun
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osyrus said:
wifi battles yes please.
Posted? I've seen bits of info from the article but not the percentages.
Videogame sales in Japan rose 33.6 percent in the first half of calendar 2006:
http://today.reuters.com/stocks/Quo..._RTRIDST_0_LEISURE-JAPAN-VIDEOGAME.XML&rpc=66
In a post of this news at neowin it says Famitsu/Enterbrain takes data from almost 35,000 stores in Japan:
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33982
Videogame sales in Japan rose 33.6 percent in the first half of calendar 2006:
http://today.reuters.com/stocks/Quo..._RTRIDST_0_LEISURE-JAPAN-VIDEOGAME.XML&rpc=66
In a post of this news at neowin it says Famitsu/Enterbrain takes data from almost 35,000 stores in Japan:
http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=33982
ziran said:
Nice find!!
2006 is definitely way up on 2005 so far, in fact I think it is the biggest Jan-June we've had since probably 97, the big PS year (it may be bigger but I'll reserve judgement just yet).
Interesting that Famitsu now surveys 35k stores, does anybody know what the supposed figure for MC is? That's a lot of stores and is reflected in how close MC and Famitsu are just lately.
I get the top 10 for the year Jan-June to be:
Code:
Brain Training 2 DS Nintendo 2,459,250 2,917,750
Final Fantasy XII PS2 Square 2,288,000 2,288,000
New Super Mario Bros DS Nintendo 2,051,750 2,051,750
Animal Crossing: Wild World DS Nintendo 1,669,500 3,125,500
Brain Training DS Nintendo 1,424,500 2,704,000
English Training DS Nintendo 1,264,250 1,264,250
World Soccer Winning Eleven 10 PS2 Konami 959,500 959,500
Tetris DS DS Nintendo 743,500 743,500
Mario Kart DS DS Nintendo 677,000 1,551,000
Pokemon Ranger DS Nintendo 629,750 629,750osyrus said:
Top 10 games of 97 (the PS's biggest year, but also the rise of Pokemon) by comparison:
Code:
1 Pokemon Red / Green / Blue GB Nintendo 6,094,750 8,641,750
[b]2 Final Fantasy VII PS Square 3,269,750 3,269,750
3 Derby Stallion PS ASC II 1,802,250 1,802,250[/b]
4 Find by Game!! Tamagotchi GB Bandai 1,443,750 1,443,750
5 Find by Game!! Tamagotchi 2 GB Bandai 1,347,500 1,347,500
[b]6 Final Fantasy Tactics PS Square 1,311,250 1,311,250
7 Everybodys Golf PS Sony 1,282,250 1,282,250
8 SaGa Frontier PS Square 1,045,250 1,045,250
9 Parapper The Rapper PS Sony 867,250 1,003,250
10 Gran Turismo PS Sony 808,000 808,000[/b]This is for the whole year as well don't forget!!
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Yup, but every store has like bajillion ps2 games so your web makes some senseioi said:
http://www.vgcharts.org/japconscomps.php?name1=DS&name2=PS2&type=3
ps2 soft sold 68m
http://www.vgcharts.org/consworld.php
ps2 soft shipped 204m
Sounds totally right, 136m ps2 games still on the stores.
Pope Benedict XVI
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PSP hasn't managed to outdo the pocket station???
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
You've obviously missed the memo about the site still being incomplete!
Having said that, even if you add up the data Famitsu has tracked since the PS2 launch you still 'only' get to about 145m total, and the 300m for PS1 is going to be impossible to re-create.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Well, you don't really think I need to read a memo to know that your site is not complete, do you?ioi said:
Anyway, I don't think you should have 'that' PS2 data (and any other, I just saw that) to compare with other platforms if its quite wrong...it will mislead people.
Kurosaki Ichigo said:Well, you don't really think I need to read a memo to know that your site is not complete, do you?
Anyway, I don't think you should have 'that' PS2 data (and any other, I just saw that) to compare with other platforms if its quite wrong...it will mislead people.
Well it's just dynamically adding up every game that is on the database at the moment. The more games that are added the more accurate the data will become. It does say on the site that data is incomplete, so hopefully that will be enough to prevent misleading people ;-)
i admit i'm a nintendo fan, but looking beyond this, in all seriousness, the ds's success in japan is simply staggering! i mean, it's been truly remarkable, particularly because this growth and these incredible software sales are essentially all from one company, nintendo.ioi said:
this is becoming a dire situation for third parties, because beyond relatively small declines and stability in a few major franchises, which seem dependent on huge budgets, their market is dying in a very unpleasant way
obviously blaming so called 'non-games' is complete nonsense because without these new games their buyers would've simply not bought anything, so the result for the industry outside of nintendo would've been exactly as it is now.
i'm all for every kind of gaming from all developers and competition makes games better for everybody, but japanese devs need to get their act together otherwise they'll be dropping like flies!
however, the really sad thing is they seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place as with neither ps3 nor wii does comfort lie:
- developing for ps3 gives them a market with declining interest, astronomical budgets and most likely a slower than expected adoption rate due to the hardware's price
- developing for wii puts them in competition with nintendo software and likely an expanded and returning audience they haven't yet succeeded in appealing to.
there are many talented developers in japan and i sincerly hope they find a way to rejuvenate their sales in japan.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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You nailed it imo too.ziran said:
I can't see the new PS2 where 3rd parties should focus their resources. PS3 is too expensive, for consumers and developers, software is not going to fly like with ps2, and Wii is Nintendo afterall, if it pulls a NDS success, it will probably be thanks to Nintendo software with 3rd party software benefitting little from it. No need to mention X360, total failure in japan and we still have to see how it does overseas, that and how japanese support does overseas too (stuff like Trusty Bell or Project Sylpheed).
Btw, about new releases, sinobi comments Xenosaga III start was lower than previous although it might get to 150k. 100-150k and 200k LTD tops I suppose.
Tekken did pretty good thanks to CM and shop stands, some stores sold out. Lower numbers than X3 anyway.
Maybe cvxfreak or someone else can do better translation ( http://ameblo.jp/sinobi ) :lolU
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Nope, it says that both Namco and SCE have great expectations here, and the CM and shop stands worked well, some stores sold out although additional stock was dispatched. It says this is probably the first successful title for PSP in this summer. Thats with my not really accurate translation :lolioi said:
Gamefront reported this too:
It says that both had a solid start although Xenosaga III start is lower than predecessors, and still higher than Tekken.
Sinobi said that 150k for Xenosaga 3 is difficult so I guess Tekken will be around 75-100k yup.
Suburban Cowboy
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Looks like people realize there are no games for them AFTER buying the PSP, either that or they spend all there money on the hardware and cant afford the games. Thats the only way i can explain DS games consistantly selling so well (in contrast to PSP games) while hardware sells are still behind.
Kurosaki Ichigo
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Looks more like a software problem to me. I really want to see how a new IP really born for PSP like Locoroco does.Suburban Cowboy said:
You just have to see PSP top-sellers and most of them are ports or portable versions of a console franchise. Tekken, Minna no Golf, Sengoku Musou, Ridge Racer, Tales of Eternia, Winning Eleven...
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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Emotions said:
Yeah, but for most people portable means picking up a game fast, playing not more than 1 hour and putting it down. With PSP it takes to long to start up, the games are mostly ps2 ports, which means long games.