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Media Create Sales: 09/01 - 09/07
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slaughterking
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Well, there is Eternal Sonata for PS3. I'm not sure if anyone cares, though. Probably not. :Ijimbo said:
But I for one am pretty interested in seeing how Dragon Ball DS is going to perform next week. :I
Since Microsoft were the ones fronting the money, they probably don't care at all about recuperating development costs. They just want more headway into a market they haven't already tapped.Laguna said:
And considering Vesperia had about 4 days in the NPD reporting period, coupled with its apparent lack of stock, we can't really say anything about its impact in the US yet.
Most if not all PS3 ports/versions outsell their 360 counterpart in Japan.jimbo said:
Kandinsky said:I dont know, i was just reading that epic thread and i found your posts funny, specially after calling jonnyram troll/fanboy
If this were two years ago, you'd be absolutely right. I was more of a fanboy and judged consoles too quickly. Two years ago I also wouldnt have called jonnyram a troll because back at the time I dont recall him trolling much at all.
As for myself right now, I love the DS so much that I wish many of its developers would work on Wii products more as well.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
^^^
Can't you just get that shit out of the way?
IT:
When are new Wii colors supposed to hit Japan? Do we have any official release dates?
PS3 really needs a one-two (three?) punch in no more than a couple of months-wide window:
Something like Yakuza 3/FFXIII/GT5... I don't know how feasible that'd be (probably not very uh?) but I really don't see anything else in the way of working things out for the "poor" PS3 than gaining momentum with "KAs" releases, not even a massive price drop (and that ain't going to happen either) which I'm sure would loose its steam pretty quick.
Can't you just get that shit out of the way?
IT:
When are new Wii colors supposed to hit Japan? Do we have any official release dates?
PS3 really needs a one-two (three?) punch in no more than a couple of months-wide window:
Something like Yakuza 3/FFXIII/GT5... I don't know how feasible that'd be (probably not very uh?) but I really don't see anything else in the way of working things out for the "poor" PS3 than gaining momentum with "KAs" releases, not even a massive price drop (and that ain't going to happen either) which I'm sure would loose its steam pretty quick.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
duckroll said:
Let's not get crazy now. Or have you missed every NPD thread ever created?
icecream said:
I doubt MS is so indifferent about this. Like you said MS is doing those investments to tap in a market they´ve never been successful with their Xbox. But it just doesn´t seem to work. After 3 years they have a "userbase" clearly under 1million there and software isn´t selling well either. Even if it´s Microsoft we are talking about and we all know that they have an incredible amount of money "to throw away" you should know that they aren´t doing this for charity in other words when they green lighted most of these projects back then in 2005/2006 they sure as hell didn´t thought to be in this sad position. If they were really so indifferent about recouping costs they would continue trying to tap in the Japanese market this way and secured the next Tales of (for example) but they didn´t.
icecream said:
It doesn´t matter if it´s an MS or 3rd Party game the results are obvious and the same. If your projects result to losses or a break even at best you´ll see changes. Tales of is a really good example because we already saw these mentioned changes with the announcement to continue the series on other systems.
I'm not sure where you're getting with this. The next Tales games were decided long before Vesperia even went on sale much less these results.
Namco chose to put Vesperia on the 360 knowing full well how weak it was performing in Japan. Team Symphonia wanted to make an HD Tales no matter what, and that was the only choice at the time.
Whether they will continue to develop HD Tales series or shift to other platforms will be known by their next project, not the many other projects on other platforms by the other teams currently in development.
Namco chose to put Vesperia on the 360 knowing full well how weak it was performing in Japan. Team Symphonia wanted to make an HD Tales no matter what, and that was the only choice at the time.
Whether they will continue to develop HD Tales series or shift to other platforms will be known by their next project, not the many other projects on other platforms by the other teams currently in development.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
yes they did. At least kindaC.T. said:
icecream said:
No, it wasn´t that long ago. They were announced just some months ago with Tales of Hearts and next Tales of for Wii.
Now the big question why? Yes, why were the next Tales games decided before ToV released?
Sorry, but you can´t be serious, can you? The X360 situation in Japan is horrible, you would be dumb if you waited ToVs release to decide where you´ll go with your franchise, seeing that on the other hand the Wii is selling well and ToS2 already sold passable (and what a surprise the next Tales for Wii was confirmed after seeing those sales).
Now, to the dumb question. Why did they even bother with ToV?
The answer is simple, they were a little more optimistic back than in 2005/2006 (I know it was announced last year but EGM and other insiders hinted Tales of and also Star Ocean4 for X360 already back in 2005/2006).
I´m not saying that they expected the X360 to be a success (no way, but they neither expected that it would flop similar to the first Xbox) but they expected that games like Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, some other little jRPGs like Enchanted Arms and also the announcemnt of Last Remnant or Infinite Undiscovery would create a profitable niche market on X360 for jRPGs so they could profit by knowing that there won´t be any competition for their games for several months and to also have the option to realease it one year later on a very successful HD console. On top of that most likely some MS moneyhats sure helped to make this decicion. How do you explain the ToV bundles? I doubt Namco marketed the bundle this was Microsoft, nor do I think that Namco give away these ToV units for a best friends low price, the other way is more likely
Paracelsus
Member
cw_sasuke said:
I still find it kind of weird.
"Spring 2009"? If by "main" they mean "Team Symphonia" then that means they started developing it as soon as they were done with Vesperia (June? July?) or that somebody else's doing it? I don't think a main Tales of is a game that can be done in way less than a year. ._.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Namco calls almost every Tales game a "mothership" title (both Vesperia and Hearts are for example). So main doesn't mean Team Symphonia, it means "Hey its not a spin-off". As for the release date, well, Namco is releasing 5 Tales of games just this year alone. As for the developer, lets just hope its not another "internal" game like Legendia or outsourced like Tempest.Paracelsus said:
Paracelsus said:
Here's my outlook: The Wii Tales will be by Team Destiny and has been in development since the ToD remake on PS2 wrapped up in late 2006, just like how ToV is by Team Symphonia and started development after TotA was released in late 2005. 2 to 2.5 years is the average development cycle of a Tales game developed by Tales Studios internally. ToH on DS is by members of Team Symphonia and Team Destiny which did not work on either projects, instead staff with previously lower positions stepped up to take over the key roles in development.
This explains why since ToDr was released, everything else up until ToV was all developed by outsourced developers, was a re-release or a port, or developed by a totally fresh unknown team (ToSKoR). The two main Tales Studios teams have been working on ToV, ToH and the unnanmed Wii Tales for years now. After the Wii Tales ships next year, there'll probably be a year or two of a "dry" Tales spell again.
Why would Team Destiny want to work on the Wii when Team Symphonia is already in HD? Simple. 2D graphics. :lol
Captain Smoker
Member
Japanese releases in this week:
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Did we ever find out if that "3rd" Tales of Team was actually the developers of Symphonia Wii?duckroll said:
grandjedi6 said:
What "3rd" Tales of team? Tales Studio is more than "Team Destiny" and "Team Symphonia", and in fact Namco has been moving away from specifically using those labels because they seem to like moving staff around more freely lately. We just use those because they're an easy way to describe core groups of staff that work together inside Tales Studio.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
grandjedi6 said:
It's not misinformation, it's just rather dated. Back then based on what we know it was totally logical speculation to think there might be a third team forming within Tales Studios. But now with the Tales of Hearts staff list available, I feel it's much more likely that ToSKoR was a ToL-like deal where they put together a "special" team to fill the void when their main staff leads are all busy on other projects. We'll see.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Namco turned Tales Studio into Frankenstein Studio when they bought the remaining Telenet Japan shares (34%) back in April 2006.
Fady K said:
I think you haven't seen his hundreds of PS2, PS1 game collection. Heck, he is even one of the earliest PS3 buyer in Japan. I remember his joke about "Gundam : Target not in sight" game he bought during PS3 launch.
I think you should invest in :
- sarcasm meter
- "laughter/joke is the best medicine"
- "how to investigate things that you didn't know before you make a fool out of yourself".
I didn't remember you being so "hostile" before. Something happened to you in real life ? Or is it just that my memory was wrong ?
rykomatsu
Member
icecream said:
At CEDEC last week, namco said 360, PS3, and multiplat were considered for Vesperia, so i doubt 360 was the only choice at the time for something HD specific. They wanted to target a global audience so that's why they opted for 360 (amongst other merits, which they didn't elaborate on).
750,000 first 2 days? Thats like a million+ first week...yankee666 said:
Do these people ever get tired of Pokemon?
Saint10118
Member
Case said:
Captain Smoker
Member
wiiz.fr took that numbers from VGChartzzzzzzz. ^^Case said:
Saint10118
Member
Thanks for the clarification!Captain Smoker said:
:lol ioi's gut tells him 750k with no info from gpara, enterbrain, famitsu? What a fucking joke.
slaughterking
Member
Yeah, but when I was babelfishing sinobi the other day I think I read something about him predicting the game to sell ~1 million first week. So while the ******** numbers are obviously pulled out of somenones ass, we can still prepare for numbers of the same dimension.Saint10118 said:
Aaron Strife
Banned
It's the half-update.Oblivion said:
Like Yellow and Crystal.
Except it doesn't fit within the naming scheme at all, they should have called Crystal "Platinum" and Platinum "Crystal" but that's just me.
slaughterking said:
There are known websites that provide preorder data from certain stores for games in Japan. He probably came up with the first week sales number by comparing Platinum's preorders to how past games turned out. Before anyone think's that's accurate, however, I would highly recommend finding the posts of Square2005 when he used to try to guess the weekly sales based on the normalized sales numbers from a single store in Japan that provided such preorder information along with weekly data.
There are a lot of data sources out there. ioi's fallacy is in thinking he can take that and come up with a reliable model for a whole country/territory. That applies to Japanese, U.S., and European sales data, by the way.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
donny2112 said:
Correct. He takes an incredibly small sample size, extrapolates it across entire regions, and then adjusts after the fact so his numbers compare favorably with other, more reliable, accurate, and non-bullshit MARKET RESEARCH FIRMS. His site is a joke, and if it wasn't for a better-than-nothing PR staff and zero competition, he'd already be belly up.
I wonder if he's making any money off of that.
Well, today a 3rd grade student told me he got Pokemon Platinum. I asked him "so how is it?" and he said it's really boring. He said "I's the same as diamond" He looked really bummed about it. I wonder if that's the general reaction to this game. Word of mouth like that could remove some of the legs.
And now based on what one kid told me I predict 600,005 sales.
And now based on what one kid told me I predict 600,005 sales.
I hope VGChaaaaatzz doesn't steal my scientific sales data