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Media Create Sales 12/17 - 12/23 2007
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charlequin
Banned
jarrod said:
FFX-2 is a full RPG; it has the same gameplay, in the same amounts, as a "normal" FF. FF:CC (just like FFT) is in a different genre and has different gameplay; in CC's case, it's in in a lesser amount than a "normal" FF. That's what makes one a spinoff and one... something else. (A "sequel," perhaps? :lol )
Xeke said:
Well, the PS1 sales numbers and the informed opinions of individuals directly familiar with the opinions of Japanese gamers definitely carry less weight than your off the cuff opinion here.
Jiggy37 said:
Well -- we got Front Mission 1. Beyond DQ5/6 (which we'll definitely be seeing), though, I'm not sure what else we could reasonably expect to see get remade and hit US release that never came out here before. Bahamut Lagoon? Live-a-Live? SD3 is the only real AAA title that we haven't ever gotten, and I'm thinking Mana is going to take a rest for a while....
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Sounds about right. Though we should have a better idea once the Top 100 comes out, and an even better idea once the Top 500 comes out (by which time it will be really out of date). Looking at the week before and of the Top 500 list for DS in 2005, software sales appear to go up by several million thanks to both legitimately large holiday sales, and phantom increases in LTDs that happened under the radar.Sage00 said:
Donny's probably worked more with stuff like that. Right off the bat it seems to me it would be hard to tell precisely how the shift from 1 million/month to 1.8 million/month occurred.Link said:
Nearly 800K._Alkaline_ said:
Could it do more damage than Dirge of Cerberus?ethelred said:
Why expect that, though? FF games are extremely front-loaded. FF III's shortages made it an exception, so it approximately doubled its first week sales. I'm probably not quite right on this thanks to all the various rereleases and spinoffs out there, but tripling-quadrupling seems nearly unprecedented for FF.Vic said:
A game doesn't have to keep doing 100K to "stay a bit longer" and significantly increase total sales. In early November to lure people away from the edge of the roof, I compared SMG to games like Kirby Squeak Squad. Decent start, but a really big surge in December. Between its November 2 launch and the end of 2006, it had reached 700K. By the time it dropped out of the Top 30 it was at 888K. By the middle of 2007 it was at 995K, and we'll probably soon find it's past a million by now.the thoroughbred said:
Super Mario 64 DS was at 470K by the end of 2004, 693K when it last appeared in the Top 30, and by the middle of this year was at 1.04M.
Super Mario Sunshine was at 600K after two months, 643K by the time it dropped out of the Top 30, 677K by the end of 2002, and is now at nearly 800K. And of course Wii has a bit more potential for continued sales than GameCube.
Ha. Could the rule be "first FF rerelease sells best", which worked in IV's favor on PS1 but not on DS? This also seems to hold for GBA: I&II sold the best, even though it was 1050 more yen than the eventual releases of IV, V, and VI.cvxfreak said:
Super Mario Galaxy released when Wii had sold more than GCN had by SMS's release or N64 had by SM64's release. Twilight Princess released when Wii had sold less than GCN had by WW's release or N64 had by OOT's release.HK-47 said:
Well, a couple things... I said any potential DS remakes didn't have to come from S-E alone. And by "great" games I don't mean full-on AAA; there's lots of lesser stuff that I'd be happy to see.charlequin said:
But exactly what that stuff is, I admittedly don't know--the trouble with asking for forgotten classics to be remade is that, well, they're forgotten, so I don't have any specific requests in mind. I'm not any more sure of what's out there than most people, but I'm guessing that good lost games exist. (I'd never heard of Live a Live before that one thread a few months ago, for one.) Without having examples, though, I'd still say generally that decent candidates for being remade might be games without much text to translate, like quirky 2D platformers.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
http://www.japan-gamecharts.com/n64.phpOblivion said:
1 Mario Kart 64 Nintendo 1.711.161
2 Super Mario 64 Nintendo 1.639.914
3 Super Smash Bros. Nintendo 1.632.055
Everything else is significantly lower.
Isn't the wii board already the best selling peripheral of these last years in Japan? If it follows wiiplay's trend, it could end up at more than 2 millions over there. This perspective is certainly appealing for developpers to use it in other games and I can't wait to see more creations put into this device. Anyone else here thinks this is the most innovative/promising peripheral we've seen in a long time?.
Metal Messiah
Member
marc^o^ said:
Count me in.
By the way, I predict >10M units sold WW for Wii Fit.
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apotema said:
DMC4 isn't on the Wii. Look at what Dynasty Warriors: Gundam did and scale down your expectations.
Smiles and Cries
Member
few more hours for hardware #s?
norinrad21
Banned
apotema said:
I'm kind of puzzled, why do you have DMC4 and two of the biggest games in history in the same sentence?
JoshuaJSlone said:
For new Final Fantasys, you're correct in that they are extremely front-loaded. For the remakes, a good rule of thumb seems to be about doubling its first week in sales. That would mean 600-650K for FFIV, which would be below my expectations for a LTD number (750-800K).
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
rakka said:
Actually Mario Party DS is pretty much the best installment since probably Mario Party 2 so it's not as bad as it might seem.
Just like I predicted, all the people who proclaimed console gaming to be dead in Japan referring to DS and PSP as the only systems selling spoke too soon and used a far too limited amount of weeks to determine any trends. The primary platforms in Japan are not the DS and the PSP, it's the DS and the Wii.
Stumpokapow said:
I'm actually seriously thinking about buying it myself. "Better than Mario Party 2" doesn't help, as that's the only one I still enjoy to this day (except the duel mode from 3).
GT5 Prologue numbers are unquestionably bad, although not as bad as LO :-(
So, with Nintendomination again...is DMC the next time we'll see something different on the charts? How much does everyone expect it to move the ps3 in particular?
Famitsu Dec 10-16
1. NDS Mario Party DS 160115 / 762580
2. WII Wii Fit 119841 / 527069
3. PS3 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue 108040 / NEW
4. NDS Dragon Quest IV 78288 / 854424
5. NDS Prof. Layton and the Devil's Box 73496 / 482165
6. WII Super Mario Galaxy 70541 / 571136
7. WII Wii Sports 68497 / 2262044
8. WII Wii Play 66942 / 1814179
9. WII Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games 58044 / 206765
10. WII Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: The Labyrinth of Lost Time 43756 / NEW
11. PS2 Winning Eleven 11: PES 2008 40632 / 479701
12. PSP Minna no Golf Portable 2 39091 / 124957
13. NDS Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Darkness/Time 38818 / 1134807
14. NDS Power Pro Kun Pocket 10 34734 / 81941
15. PS2 SD Gundam G Generation Spirits 30131 / 313296
16. WII Mario Party 8 29130 / 947579
17. NDS Tales of Innocence 27910 / 134643
18. NDS Mario Kart DS 25811 / 2607215
19. PS2 Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes 23340 / 148738
20. NDS Mega Man Star Force 2: Beserk x Shinobi/Dinosaur 22925 / 156229
21. NDS Kirarin Revolution Tsukutte Misechao! Kime*Kira Stage 20802 / NEW
22. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 20612 / 1419369
23. NDS Dinosaur King - 7 Pieces 19389 / 96888
24. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 18201 / 4932627
25. PS3 Winning Eleven 11: PES 2008 18039 / 210864
26. WII NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams 16762 / NEW
27. PS2 Yakuza 2 (BEST) 16257 / 33916
28. NDS Taiko Drum Master 16181 / 224660
29. NDS Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village 15786 / 725821
30. NDS Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisecchi: Mina San Kyu 15760 / 161320
*. 360 Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom 15000 / NEW
*. NDS Ookiku Furikabutte: Honto no Ace ni Nareru kamo 9300 / NEW
*. WII We Love Golf! 8600 / NEW
*. WII Soul Calibur Legends 6900 / NEW
*. PS2 Spectral Gene 4200 / NEW
*. NDS KuruKuru * Princess: Yume no White Quartet 4100 / NEW
*. 360 Shikigami no Shiro III 3100 / NEW
*. 360 Stuntman Ignition 1200 / NEW
*. 360 Smash Court Tennis 3 1000 / NEW
*. WII Shikigami no Shiro III 970 / NEW
Recent Famitsu Top 30s
Nov 12-18, 2007
Nov 19-25, 2007
Nov 26-Dec 2, 2007
Dec 3-9, 2007
1. NDS Mario Party DS 160115 / 762580
2. WII Wii Fit 119841 / 527069
3. PS3 Gran Turismo 5 Prologue 108040 / NEW
4. NDS Dragon Quest IV 78288 / 854424
5. NDS Prof. Layton and the Devil's Box 73496 / 482165
6. WII Super Mario Galaxy 70541 / 571136
7. WII Wii Sports 68497 / 2262044
8. WII Wii Play 66942 / 1814179
9. WII Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games 58044 / 206765
10. WII Chocobo's Mystery Dungeon: The Labyrinth of Lost Time 43756 / NEW
11. PS2 Winning Eleven 11: PES 2008 40632 / 479701
12. PSP Minna no Golf Portable 2 39091 / 124957
13. NDS Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Darkness/Time 38818 / 1134807
14. NDS Power Pro Kun Pocket 10 34734 / 81941
15. PS2 SD Gundam G Generation Spirits 30131 / 313296
16. WII Mario Party 8 29130 / 947579
17. NDS Tales of Innocence 27910 / 134643
18. NDS Mario Kart DS 25811 / 2607215
19. PS2 Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes 23340 / 148738
20. NDS Mega Man Star Force 2: Beserk x Shinobi/Dinosaur 22925 / 156229
21. NDS Kirarin Revolution Tsukutte Misechao! Kime*Kira Stage 20802 / NEW
22. PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2 20612 / 1419369
23. NDS Dinosaur King - 7 Pieces 19389 / 96888
24. NDS New Super Mario Bros. 18201 / 4932627
25. PS3 Winning Eleven 11: PES 2008 18039 / 210864
26. WII NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams 16762 / NEW
27. PS2 Yakuza 2 (BEST) 16257 / 33916
28. NDS Taiko Drum Master 16181 / 224660
29. NDS Prof. Layton and the Mysterious Village 15786 / 725821
30. NDS Tamagotchi no Puchi Puchi Omisecchi: Mina San Kyu 15760 / 161320
*. 360 Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom 15000 / NEW
*. NDS Ookiku Furikabutte: Honto no Ace ni Nareru kamo 9300 / NEW
*. WII We Love Golf! 8600 / NEW
*. WII Soul Calibur Legends 6900 / NEW
*. PS2 Spectral Gene 4200 / NEW
*. NDS KuruKuru * Princess: Yume no White Quartet 4100 / NEW
*. 360 Shikigami no Shiro III 3100 / NEW
*. 360 Stuntman Ignition 1200 / NEW
*. 360 Smash Court Tennis 3 1000 / NEW
*. WII Shikigami no Shiro III 970 / NEW
Recent Famitsu Top 30s
Nov 12-18, 2007
Nov 19-25, 2007
Nov 26-Dec 2, 2007
Dec 3-9, 2007
Flakster99
Member
marc^o^ said:
I've expressed this thought before, and I'll express it again: that shot in the arm the DS and it's software provided Japan in late 05 is happening again thanks to the Wii and Nintendo's own software.
Like a mirror image, multiple pieces of ingenious, fun, pick up and play software cluttered together, taking advantage of other consoles' software droughts, going for the jugular.
And +1 Wii Fit.
Just a question, but does anyone actually read/find interest in the posted Famitsu Top 30s? Does the fact that the news in it is eight days old mean no one really cares one way or the other?
It's not difficult to keep posting it, so I plan on continuing to post it. I am just curious how useful (if at all) anyone finds it.
It's not difficult to keep posting it, so I plan on continuing to post it. I am just curious how useful (if at all) anyone finds it.
Busaiku said:
Well, for third party software. First party software on the Wii is doing just fine - how did its total software sales do relative to the PS2 this year? (I can't think of the best-selling PS2 game this year; I'm pretty sure Wii Sports and even Mario Party 8/Wii Fit now have outdone them? Maybe even SMG at this point.)
Two points maybe on this Wii third party software debate:
1. There's no denying that a lot of third party software has bombed, even stuff you'd expect to do moderately well (for example, I thought Chocobo Dungeon would at least sell 100K). At the same time, maybe it's unrealistic for the Wii to be pulling in PS2-level numbers for third party software at this stage - people tend to forget it started from (way) behind this generation, and furthermore that it was originally intended to occupy a different, more casual space from the expected market leader, PS3 - i.e. it wasn't going to have the depth and breadth of traditional games and gamers that the PS2 did when it started out. But it's suddenly been thrust into the position of market leader, and people expect it to act like the PS2 - except the PS2 userbase of traditional console gamers appear to be sticking with the PS2 (or DS) for at least a little longer. I think the Wii will eventually win them over in the next few years, but like the DS, its first year or two will be rough (for third party games). It probably needs to pull in an even more commanding userbase to achieve comparable numbers to the PS2's early third party software sales.
2. On future third party games - in the US, the third party sales situation's begun to reverse slightly with GHIII and smaller titles like Lego Star Wars, etc. - they don't always light up the top 10 charts (except GHIII, which has probably reached a million in the US by now?), but they do make good numbers for their publishers. The meme of "third parties can't sell on Nintendo systems because N-Tards only buy Nintendo games" is a bit tired, especially for people who were around during the NES and SNES days. Maybe Nintendo had the majority of sales back then, too, but third parties did well for themselves because Nintendo had the largest userbase. Fact of the matter is, even if a smaller percentage of your userbase buys games, if your lead is big enough it doesn't matter.
And I can't see third parties being content with Nintendo raking in the vast majority of profits for the entire life of its console - what Japanese video game exec is going to say, "Gosh, I'm happy that Nintendo is raking in billions by putting out a couple of titles each year for the Wii; I'm not interested in getting some of that money. Let's see if we can't spend money and help the PS3 out (and risk even worse sales)." Publishers will go where they think there are profit opportunities. There are plenty of game genres that Nintendo does not occupy (or does occupy, but where a cheap imitation wouldn't hurt). Eventually, more enterprising publishers will see if they can steal some market share by filling in the gaps with a big title.
Cheesemeister
Member
Code:
Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 279,563 | 222,144 | 6,948,478 | 20,954,157
2. WII - 232,907 | 170,558 | 3,544,308 | 4,463,951
3. PSP - 171,804 | 184,610 | 2,908,095 | 7,440,224
4. PS3 - 58,167 | 63,720 | 1,131,412 | 1,588,970
5. PS2 - 20,391 | 18,025 | 746,609 | 20,901,468
6. 360 - 7,908 | 8,561 | 234,335 | 499,037
7. GBA - 100 | 140 | 50,634 | 15,348,713
8. NGC - 31 | 32 | 10,526 | 4,179,994NDS = 12 DS + 279,551 Lite
perfectchaos007
Member
Cheesemeister said:
Lower numbers for Wii and DS compared to Famitsu. Higher numbers for PSP and PS3
yankeeforever2
Member
171,804 units and no titles in the top 30, thats fucking insane.Cheesemeister said:
slaughterking
Member
DS LTD > PS2 LTD
perfectchaos007
Member
yankeeforever2 said:
If Sony still weren't making a profit on every PSP sold, they would be in big trouble. Fortunately they do make money on every PSP sold now.
Zerodoppler
Member
slaughterking said:
What? Really?
bgassassin
Member
yankeeforever2 said:
That was the number I was wanting to see after seeing no software in the top 30. And Nintendo selling a combined 500,000+ units in a week is just ...
