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[Flakster99]

For me its not even close.

IMO there at least ten games on the snes that no DS game can even come close to touching.

Super Mario World
Super Mario World 2 YI
Zelda alltp
Super Metroid
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Final Fantasy 4
Final Fantasy 6
Secret of Mana
Chrono Trigger
Megaman X
Contra 3
Street Fighter 2 Turbo
EVO
NBA Jam
TMNT 4

Honestly other than Trauma Center I don't think I could put any DS game in my top 25.

At this point in lifetime of the DS, I agree. Continuation of the off topic discussion. The past few weeks I've been replaying most of these games on the SNES, and it's incredible just how much the gameplay, level design, quality of the sound, art and the fun factor hold up in 2008.

Anyway, there is a lot of promised quality software coming, thankfully getting the translating treatment from Japan, and much much more in the pipeline. I would say we (US) are half way into the DS generation, so there is plenty of goodies to come.

 

[blitz64]

Wii outsells ps3 3-1 in March. Nothing too surprising.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST11844020080404

 

[D.Lo]

For me its not even close.

IMO there at least ten games on the snes that no DS game can even come close to touching.

NBA Jam? Seriously?

Ouendan alone puts the DS above 50% of all consoles ever released for me. Not sure if it's passed the SNES yet, but a good 2D Metroid might get it there.

 

[lopaz]

NBA Jam? Seriously?

Ouendan alone puts the DS above 50% of all consoles ever released for me. Not sure if it's passed the SNES yet, but a good 2D Metroid might get it there.

Yes fucking seriously. It's awesome.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Ouendan/eba
canvas curse
trauma center
nsmb
phantom hourglass
first tony hawk ds
advance wars
portrait of ruin
meteos
planet puzzle leauge
starfox command
contact (i dont care, I still think its better than earthbound)
and a bunch Im forgetting or have yet to play:
dragon sword
etrian oddyssey etc.

Snes is antique.

 

[Minsc]

Ouendan/eba
canvas curse
trauma center
nsmb
phantom hourglass
first tony hawk ds
advance wars
portrait of ruin
meteos
planet puzzle leauge
starfox command
contact (i dont care, I still think its better than earthbound)
and a bunch Im forgetting or have yet to play:
dragon sword
etrian oddyssey etc.

Snes is antique.

List wars only result in losers.

 

[ccbfan]

NBA Jam? Seriously?

Ouendan alone puts the DS above 50% of all consoles ever released for me. Not sure if it's passed the SNES yet, but a good 2D Metroid might get it there.

Dude NBA Jam was a great game. Easily my favorite sports game ever. I still play it to this day.

Plus it's also one of the weaker games on that list. Of course I then remembered.

Castlevania 4
Demon Crest
Super Mario Allstars
Donkey Kong COuntry
Star Fox
Earthbound
Ogre Battle
Tactic Ogre
Super Punch Out
Kirby SuperStar

Plus through out the list I didn't even mention the Japanese only games like FF5, SD3, Bahamut's Lagoon, Super Kunio Kun, Star Ocean, Tales of Phantasia.

DS is a good system (Probably my third favorite after snes and PS1 and could easily beat the PS1 at the end) but in my eyes to reach the snes its has a long long way to go.

Forgot about Ouendan 1 and 2. Those were some great games. Didn't like EBA that much though, kinda hard to get into the game when I hated most of the songs. Still not sure if they could break my top 25 though.

 

[donny2112]

The DS has only lost software market share because of the Wii.

The total marketshare for Wii+DS has remained remarkably intact, and even more amazing, the total pie being divided up just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Not sure if it's passed the SNES yet, but a good 2D Metroid might get it there.

It has three already (Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, and Classic NES Metroid). Don't forget the GBA slot that so many treat with such disdain. :lol We just need a Super Metroid DS. No changes to the core game, but keep the map on the top screen. Perfect.

The GBA slot is why the DS+GBA > SNES.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Wii outsells ps3 3-1 in March. Nothing too surprising.

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST11844020080404

Pachter am Cry :lol

 

[Sharp]

Y'all are crazy if you think that the DS library is even close to as good as the SNES library. And including the GBA slot is dumb, donny, if it were really such a great library it wouldn't have to rely on backwards compatibility to make that claim. The PS2 certainly didn't.

 

[D.Lo]

It has three already (Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, and Classic NES Metroid). Don't forget the GBA slot that so many treat with such disdain. :lol We just need a Super Metroid DS. No changes to the core game, but keep the map on the top screen. Perfect.

The GBA slot is why the DS+GBA > SNES.

You know what I meant. A new, high(ish) budget 2D Metroid. I love Zero Mission particularly, but had already completed all GBA games I wanted to before the DS, and now prefer to play them on an SP+ or a Micro, the DS Lite changes the colours slightly and has the cart sticking out.

But yes, list warz achieve nothing. Different times, differrent purposes.

 

[Pureauthor]

Heck, if we can count the GBA library, then as far as I'm concerned, the DS currently stands behind only the unbeatable PS2.

 

[wackojackosnose]

Heck, if we can count the GBA library, then as far as I'm concerned, the DS currently stands behind only the unbeatable PS2.

But if you can count the PS1 library for the PS2 then OMG LOLOLOLZ PS2 INDEZTRUCKTABLE

 

[Pureauthor]

But if you can count the PS1 library for the PS2 then OMG LOLOLOLZ PS2 INDEZTRUCKTABLE

I'd say so, yes.

...Except that my stupid PS2 no longer reads CDs. *grumble grumble*

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

3. PS3 software sales were almost zero in May 2007. It can't get worse in 2008, can it?

Thats the type of records that PS3 can beat! Let's see:

05/22 Haze
05/29 Battle Fantasia
05/29 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas 2
05/29 Turok

Battle Fantasia is the same day as X360 version but Vegas 2 is 4/24 on 360 and Turok is 4/10 on it (so they will likely sell less than if they were day-and-date). Btw, is Haze really coming out?

I liked how most western games are coming a few weeks later than the X360 versions (Vegas 2, Turok, Strangehold, The Darkness, Kane & Lynch, Dark Sector...). Certainly interesting :lol


Now that I looked at the release lists...June is already a little heavy...

06/05  PS3  Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit
06/05  360  Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit
06/05  360  Ninja Gaiden II
06/05  WII  Fushigi no Dungeon - Furai no Shiren 3: Karakuri Yashiki no Nemuri Hime

06/12  PS3  Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

06/19  PSP  Super Robot Taisen A Portable
06/19  PS2  Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4
06/19  WII  Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4

06/26  WII  Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk
06/26  NDS  Bleach: The 3rd Phantom
06/26  NDS  Higurashi no Nakukoru ni Kizuna: Dai-Ichi-Kan - Tatari
06/26  NDS  Makai Senki Disgaea: Makai no Ouji to Akai Tsuki
06/26  PS2  Sengoku Basara X
06/26  360  Gundam Operation Troy

There are a lot of not-as-well-known titles too (mostly for DS, which has a fuckload of titles every week to be honest).

 

[Fafalada]

I'd say so, yes.
...Except that my stupid PS2 no longer reads CDs. *grumble grumble*

So where does PSP fit when including the PS1 library?

And while doing this, why stop at official compatibility? IIRC DS, like PSP and PS2 has a functional SNES emulator so they all have the best library included.

 

[donny2112]

And including the GBA slot is dumb, donny, if it were really such a great library it wouldn't have to rely on backwards compatibility to make that claim. The PS2 certainly didn't.

And the PS2 doesn't have the better library even with the PSX, for me. While it's generally accepted that the PS2 has the oh-my-goodness-greatest-library-evar, individual tastes do vary.

Including the GBA slot is not dumb because it's there. If we want to limit the discussion to natively-designed games and not all games that can legally be played on a system, that's fine. In that case, I've had more fun with the DS library, but I enjoyed the SNES more. Probably has a lot to do with my ages while playing the different systems, though.

 

[cvxfreak]

Did anyone remember that the Wii surpassed the N64 recently?

...and the Saturn too, for that matter.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Did anyone remember that the Wii surpassed the N64 recently?

...and the Saturn too, for that matter.

LIES

ALL LIES

 

[jarrod]

Is it confirmed to be released this year?

FFXIII was bumped for it. <3 <3

 

[Kuramu]

nvm

 

[jarrod]

N64 Fushigi no Dungeon: Fuurai no Shiren 2 - Oni Shuurai Shiren Shiro! - 283.991
Basically, 2nd best seller from a 3rd party ever on N64, second and the latest entry in the series.

NDS Mysterious Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer 195.052
Port/remake of the first entry which appeared on SNES.

Are we putting up excuses already?

To be fair... Nintendo published Shiren 2 and there were two other Shirens between it and the DS Shiren 1 remake (GB2 on GBC and Gaiden on DC) that each sold under 100k iirc.

That said, I expect Shiren 3 to probably do somewhere between 150-250k total.

 

[Kurosaki Ichigo]

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e080408.html

Capcom's "Monster Hunter Freedom 2G" Ships 1.5 Million Units
- Game poised to surpass "Monster Hunter Freedom 2" -

&#12288;Capcom Co., Ltd. (Capcom) is pleased to announce that "Monster Hunter Freedom 2G" for the PlayStation®Portable (PSP®) has shipped over 1.5 million units in Japan.

1,5m shipped already, thats just <200k away from hitting MHP2 numbers...

 

[Kiriku]

We just need a Super Metroid DS. No changes to the core game, but keep the map on the top screen. Perfect.

Getting a DS port of a game I played years ago after 4+ years of waiting for a new 2D Metroid would be a huuuge disappointment.

 

[btutterrow]

http://ir.capcom.co.jp/english/news/html/e080408.html

1,5m shipped already, thats just <200k away from hitting MHP2 numbers...

One PSP site mentioned that MHF2 took 238 days to hit the shipped figure that 2G has done in two weeks. Very nice!

 

[Kenka]

There are some "serious" things happening in Japan right now :


http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_pg_1/202-3653816-3852651?ie=UTF8&pg=1


Frankly, I would not say it's unexcepted but the way the PSP takes Japan by storm thanks to the release of a single game is something absolutely uncommon. DS dwarfened.

 

[Sharp]

There are some "serious" things happening in Japan right now :


http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_pg_1/202-3653816-3852651?ie=UTF8&pg=1


Frankly, I would not say it's unexcepted but the way the PSP takes Japan by storm thanks to the release of a single game is something absolutely uncommon. DS dwarfened.

The PSP has been outselling the DS for awhile now, though, so it's not entirely unexpected (Amazon's also not the greatest source but I think it's probably accurate for the time being).

 

[Captain Smoker]

Any numbers arrived yet?


And here are the numbers from the other thread:

Famitsu Jan - Mar 2008 Sales Report #1
The latest issue of Famitsu this week features sales information for software and hardware from January to the end of March of this year. It even features a graph similar to those Panther makes every week.

12/31/2007 - 3/30/2008

Hardware - 2008 period (2007 period) [% change]

Wii - 1,077,100 (1,005,313) [+7%]
NDS - 1,064,289 (1,948,344) [-46%]
PSP - 1,038,713 (672,823) [+53%]
PS3 - 336,429 (362,647) [-8%]
360 - 54,250 (80,547) [-33%]

Software

1. [Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Nintendo) - 1,554,852
2. [Wii] Wii Fit (Nintendo) - 944,027 / 1,762,193
3. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (Capcom) - 823,265
4. [NDS] Mario Party DS (Nintendo) - 426,671 / 1,659,315
5. [Wii] Wii Sports (Nintendo) - 375,655 / 2,840,389
6. [NDS] Pokemon Ranger Batonage (Pokemon) - 343,990
7. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom) - 293,000
8. [NDS] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 280,715
9. [Wii] Wii Play (Nintendo) - 270,443 / 2,261,112
10. [PS2] Gundam Musou Special (Bandai Namco) - 258,171
11. [PS3] Yakuza! Kenzan (Sega) - 248,117
12. [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo) - 222,495 / 2,917,923
13. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd (Capcom) - 195,111 / 1,685,009
14. [Wii] Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Nintendo) - 170,653 / 533,754
15. [NDS] Professor Layton & Pandora's Box (Level 5) - 168,452 / 783,790
16. [PSP] Mobile Suit Gundam: Giren's Ambition: Axis no Kyoui (Bandai Namco) - 162,313
17. [Wii] Mario Party 8 (Nintendo) - 151,308 / 1,205,242
18. [NDS] Final Fantasy IV (Square Enix) - 151,249 / 598,336
19. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven Ubiquitous Evolution 2008 (Konami) - 147,762
20. [Wii] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo) - 146,029 / 893,713
21. [PS2] Tales of Destiny Director's Cut (Bandai Namco) - 139,408
22. [PS2] Suzumiya Haruhi no Tomadoi (Banpresto) - 137,190
23. [NDS] Dragon Quest IV: Dragon Quest IV: Michibikareshi Monotachi (Square Enix) - 135,462 / 1,188,289
24. [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo) - 134,333 / 5,129,486
25. [NDS] Etrian Odyssey II (Atlus) - 130,078
26. [NDS] DS Beautiful Character Training (Nintendo) - 123,766
27. [PSP] Musou OROCHI (Koei) - 112,895
28. [NDS] Rune Factory 2 (Marvelous Interactive) - 112,362
29. [NDS] Animal Crossing: Wild World (Nintendo) 111,714 / 4,625,236
30. [PS2] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2008 (Konami) - 106,864 / 651,888

Market Share

System 2008 (2007)

NDS - 37.3% (52%)
Wii - 26.6% (12.1%)
PSP - 13.9% (10.3%)
PS2 - 12.3% (19.4%)
PS3 - 7.4% (3.5%)
360 - 2.2% (1.5%)
ETC - 0.2% (1.3%)

Key Points

- Nintendo Long Sellers: Some Nintendo games in the top 30 for 2008 are from as far back as 2005 (MKDS and ACWW), and quite a few are from 2006 (Wii Sports, Wii Play, NSMB).

- Monster Hunter PSP: Monster Hunter is quite a hit on the PSP, and 2nd G's opening week of 823,265 outdid the original version's opening week of 746,313.

- Wii Ware To Establish New Distribution?: Wii Ware, launched on March 25 with a few titles, can become a big factor in the game market industry and may increase as time goes by. The PS3 and 360 also have their download services that can contribute to this download market.

 

[Laguna]

There are some "serious" things happening in Japan right now :


http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=pd_ts_pg_1/202-3653816-3852651?ie=UTF8&pg=1


Frankly, I would not say it's unexcepted but the way the PSP takes Japan by storm thanks to the release of a single game is something absolutely uncommon. DS dwarfened.

Monster Hunters 2G 1st shipment was too small. So it isn´t that surprising that it´s still effecting the PSP alot. We should expect another 500k-600k for last weeks/todays numbers. And if KH won´t come out this year for PSP the NDS will be once again the best selling system with ease.

 

[mabuza]

Monster Hunters 2G 1st shipment was too small. So it isn´t that surprising that it´s still effecting the PSP alot. We should expect another 500k-600k for last weeks/todays numbers. And if KH won´t come out this year for PSP the NDS will be once again the best selling system.

and your world would make sense once again.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Monster Hunters 2G 1st shipment was too small. So it isn´t that surprising that it´s still effecting the PSP alot. We should expect another 500k-600k for last weeks/todays numbers. And if KH won´t come out this year for PSP the NDS will be once again the best selling system with ease.

u really think one kg game would be enogh to keep the psp above the ds ? i think u really underestimate nintendo and the friggin ds lineup for 08....

 

[Laguna]

and your world would make sense once again.

Are ban-bets allowed? Because I would love to do a perma-ban bet with you on this one.

 

[Kenka]

I want my

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And yes, I'm a spoilt child.

 

[Cosmonaut X]

and your world would make sense once again.

As much of a fanboy as you might think he is, you’re hardly in a position to throw stones

 

[Laguna]

u really think one kg game would be enogh to keep the psp above the ds ? i think u really underestimate nintendo and the friggin ds lineup for 08....

I agree that DSs Lineup is strong but you have to consider that most fans of most upcoming games like e.g. Gyakuten or Layton are already on boat and won´t generate as much of a hardware bump like a KH or maybe even Dissidia could on PSP. Yeah, you could even say that the NDS has a big handicap for being the undoubtful nr.1 system since 2005 in Japan.

 

[Captain Smoker]

I´ll translate what I can. ^^

DSL&#12288;52000
PSP&#12288;113000
Wii&#12288;46000
PS3&#12288;11000
PS2&#12288;10000
360&#12288;2300

1.MHP2G&#12288;553000&#65288;1376000&#65289;
2.Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin&#12288;220000
3.Star Ocean: Second Evolution&#12288;90000
4.Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 PS2&#12288;80000
5.Pokemon Ranger: Batonnage&#12288;56000&#65288;400000&#65289;
6.Pro Yakyuu Spirits 5 PS3&#12288;50000
7.Tottadoo! Yoiko no Mujintou Seikatsu&#12288;41000
8.Wii Fit&#12288;37000&#65288;1799000&#65289;
9.SSBB&#12288;23000&#65288;1578000&#65289;
10.Deca Sporta&#12288;18000&#65288;108000&#65289;

&#26032;&#20316;
25.&#12467;&#12490;&#12531;&#12288;6600
&#22806;.&#12362;&#26009;&#29702;&#12524;&#12471;&#12500;&#12288;960
&#22806;.&#12376;&#12423;&#12358;&#12378;&#12395;&#12363;&#12369;&#12427;&#12288;700

Thx @ creamsugar for the translation.

 

[creamsugar]

Go! PSP!

 

[kassatsu]

DSL&#12288;52000
PSP&#12288;113000
Wii&#12288;46000
PS3&#12288;11000
PS2&#12288;10000
360&#12288;2300

1.) Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G&#12288;553000&#65288;1376000&#65289;
2.&#12458;&#12525;&#12481;&#39764;&#29579;&#12288;220000
3.SO2&#12288;90000
4.&#12503;&#12525;&#12473;&#12500;PS2&#12288;80000
5.&#12509;&#12465;&#12524;&#12531;&#12472;&#12515;&#12288;56000&#65288;400000&#65289;
6.&#12503;&#12525;&#12473;&#12500;PS3&#12288;50000
7.&#12392;&#12387;&#12383;&#12393;&#12288;41000
8.) WiiFit&#12288;37000&#65288;1799000&#65289;
9.) Super Smash Bros. Brawl&#12288;23000&#65288;1578000&#65289;
10.) Deca Sports&#12288;18000&#65288;108000&#65289;

&#26032;&#20316;
25.&#12467;&#12490;&#12531;&#12288;6600
&#22806;.&#12362;&#26009;&#29702;&#12524;&#12471;&#12500;&#12288;960
&#22806;.&#12376;&#12423;&#12358;&#12378;&#12395;&#12363;&#12369;&#12427;&#12288;700

Great sales for MH

 

[Kenka]

1.MHP2G&#12288;553000&#65288;1376000&#65289;

...

 

[Pureauthor]

MH sales holding strong.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Ok, creamsugar translated all, thx.

 

[Psychotext]

I wonder how different the Media Create numbers will be this time.

 

[test_account]

Damn, thats a good 2nd week for Monster Hunter

 

[schuelma]

Holy crap at PSP/Monster Hunter.


Impressive indeed

 

[Captain Smoker]

11.) Mario Kart DS&#12288;18000&#65288;2936000&#65289;
12.) Sim City DS&#12288;16000&#65288;85000&#65289;
13.) Wii Sports 13000&#65288;2854000&#65289;
14.&#12460;00&#12288;13000&#65288;61000&#65289;
16.) Wii Play 10000&#65288;2272000&#65289;
17.&#12462;&#12450;&#12473;PS2&#12288;8300&#65288;38000&#65289;
18.&#28961;&#38480;&#22238;&#24266;&#12288;8300&#65288;47000&#65289;
19.&#12462;&#12450;&#12473;PSP&#12288;8300&#65288;41000&#65289;
20.) Mario & Sonic DS&#12288;7900&#65288;289000&#65289;
21.) Mario Party DS&#12288;7800&#65288;1667000&#65289;
22.) New Super Mario Bros. 7300&#65288;5137000&#65289;
23.) Beautiful Letter Training DS&#12288;7200&#65288;131000&#65289;
24.) My Household Diary [is that right? original: &#23478;&#35336;]&#12288;7000&#65288;471000&#65289;
26.&#22826;&#40723;DS&#12288;5900&#65288;363000&#65289;
27.&#29287;&#29289;&#12288;5800&#65288;98000&#65289;
28.) Animal Crossing: Wild World&#12288;5600&#65288;4631000&#65289;
29.) Armored Core: For Answer &#12288;5500&#65288;68000&#65289;
5000&#26412;&#20197;&#19978;&#12391;30&#20301;&#12521;&#12531;&#12463;&#12452;&#12531;&#12391;&#12375;&#12383;&#12290;

 

[Magicpaint]

HOLY MONKEYS AT MH/PSP. :O :O :O

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I agree that DSs Lineup is strong but you have to consider that most fans of most upcoming games like e.g. Gyakuten or Layton are already on boat and won´t generate as much of a hardware bump like a KH or maybe even Dissidia could on PSP.

For this reason, I predict Monster Hunter 2G won't affect PSP hardware sales much.

 

[Pureauthor]

28.) Animal Crossing: Wild World&#12288;5600&#65288;4631000&#65289;

Why, hello there.

 

[CitizenCope]

OMG at PS3!
OMG at PSP!

 

[Souldriver]

PSP&#12288;113000
1.) PSP Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G&#12288;553000&#65288;1376000&#65289;