thestopsign
Member
Wii did just under 13 million.
PS3 did just about 10 million.
If it could get up to GBA levels at 15-16 million that would be great.
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Wii did just under 13 million.
PS3 did just about 10 million.
If it could get up to GBA levels at 15-16 million that would be great.
The PS4 is not going to sell that much.
I agree with both of you. While I wasn't thinking about another Fire Emblem for 3DS actually happening due to my belief it would've been a 2018 title (3 year gap from the latest main game, just like between Awakening and Fates), a re-imagining with recycled assets and engine with a much shorter development time (Echoes' release date is on April 20th in Japan, so a bit less than two years from Fates' one) makes sense, as the final FE title on the platform, in what should be the final year that sees 3DS still as a viable platform (even if probably not as much as 2016). And I suppose Nintendo thought making a Switch version wasn't worth the investment, considering they should've had to heavily revise the visuals.
And yes, the fact they already announced how the next main Fire Emblem title is coming to the Switch next year is a good move: I'm not so fond of announcements made only of logos, with no visual of any kind, but it's a good sign that they already established, while announcing the re-imagining for 3DS, that the next main chapter will be on Switch. The first main title after the brand explosion. And, in the meanwhile, there's Fire Emblem Warriors. No announcement at all for FE Switch would've caused quite the commotion about when the main franchise was going to come on Switch.
Still not completely getting the New 3DS version for Warriors though
P.S. Oregano, don't start Oregano-ing now, you were doing good the past few days
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
~13M (Wii) vs. ~10M (PS3). The Wii started off great, but tapered off until 2010 (still easily outselling PS3), and then basically stopped selling in 2011. PS3 lasted into 2013 and steadily sold ~1.5M a year after 2009.
theprodigy
Member
he's talking about Switch there lol
thestopsign
Member
I'm talking about what I would consider a success for the system in Japan. Will it happen? Who the hell knows. I don't think it is reasonable to guess that it will sell what the Wii U + 3DS did combined though as suggested by Kodiak.
P.S. Oregano, don't start Oregano-ing now, you were doing good the past few days
Honestly it would help if Nintendo actually showed some signs of actually wanting Switch to be a success. Making Splatoon 2 a sequel instead of an expanded port is about the most positive thing I can say for them right now. Literally everything else is garbage so far. I'm salty AF.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF I would would be too but I've largely given up on the system being a substantial success, too many highly questionable decisions that I feel will cost them long term. Which is why I'm fine with the current plan of 3DS support and a successor that's secretly a switch probably. Gives a them the leeway to transition and ditch and maybe this time learn from their mistakes (though I'm not too hopeful of that).
I'm honestly worried it's too late. This was their make or break moment.
I mean FFS the Switch won't even have a friend's list until fall and you'll need to use a phone to access it(and you will need to pay). It's like they want to fail at this point.
BronzeWolf
Banned
The fact that fans are getting 2 switch games down the lines instills confidence in the potential Switch buyer.
It certainly does in me.
The gaps will slowly begin to fill with AC and Pokemon
It certainly does in me.
The gaps will slowly begin to fill with AC and Pokemon
Principate
Saint Titanfall
The whole console is half assed, clearly not ready for primetime and surprisingly bullish (subscription fee for online play with VC games? Come on now.) It should have released in the fall at the very least. There's absolutely no advantage to potentially screwing up such a important hardware launch outside of FY Results. Which the definition of short sighted thinking. They may not survive in the console market but at that point they have noone to blame but themselves
Seriously? Splatoon 2 is the only sign Nintendo showed to make this console a success? Hardware / first Nintendo titles announced and coming this year / some of the Japanese third party titles already revealed are far, faaar from the "garbage" you've spouted. It's unfortunate for the paid online though, that's something I didn't want at all
In general, what about chilling down, and trying to be more patient? This is not about criticising Nintendo (I've just criticised Nintendo for the paid online, so!), it's about trying to jumping less to doomtastic conclusions, letting your emotions completely obscure your rational thinking. Breath in, breath out, calm your stream of mixed emotions and thoughts.
Honestly, I feel I'll have to say that to myself a lot if Pokemon Stars exists, but it's not coming out on Switch at all, not even as a multi-platform game. Hopefullythings go as the rumours stated :lol
Hellraider
Member
We should also not be surprised if it is a 3DS exclusive. We have taken this leak for a little too granted, if you ask me.
theprodigy
Member
I thought sanity had returned prior to the Direct. I was wrong.
Seriously? Splatoon 2 is the only sign Nintendo showed to make this console a success? Hardware / first Nintendo titles announced and coming this year / some of the Japanese third party titles already revealed are far, faaar from the "garbage" you've spouted. It's unfortunate for the paid online though, that's something I didn't want at all
In general, what about chilling down, and trying to be more patient? This is not about criticising Nintendo (I've just criticised Nintendo for the paid online, so!), it's about trying to jumping less to doomtastic conclusions, letting your emotions completely obscure your rational thinking. Breath in, breath out, calm your stream of mixed emotions and thoughts.
Honestly, I feel I'll have to say that to myself a lot if Pokemon Stars exists, but it's not coming out on Switch at all, not even as a multi-platform game. Hopefullythings go as the rumours stated :lol
Splatoon 2 is literally their only heavy hitter on Switch right now. Zelda isn't that big(and is on Wii U too), Arms is a new IP, 3D Mario is not that big and Xenoblade is niche as they come.
I've been patient. I'm not sure how much longer I'm supposed to wait for Nintendo to get their act together. Paying for online is not necessarily that bad of a thing. The fact that Switch will have no native network functionality is. We're being asked to pay for a service worse than the 3DS.
Looking rationally at the facts as they present themselves right now tells me that Switch is going to be a disaster. I honestly want it to do well and be a good product but it's just sounding like it's going to be.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Just always assume it's going to be an utter failure and sell 0 units and then you'll be pleasantly surprised
. Honestly if it goes down that badly, investors will likely push out the current leadership and Nintendo will move on in some fashion. Honestly, with Fire Emblem mobile fashioned properly, as well as Mario & Zelda on Switch, they clearly have their head on straight in terms of software. In terms of platforms and infrastructure... well that'll take time I guess. Maybe DeNA can help there.So here's the upcoming 3DS games list for this year thus far. The bolded titles are what I think are the bigger titles (at least over 100K).
January:
01/19 Poochy! to Yoshi Woolly World
01/25 Kamen Rider Atsume Power Disc Slam
February:
02/09 Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker 3 - Professional
March:
03/02 Doraemon the Movie: Nobita no Nankyoku Kachikochi Daibouken
03/16 Future Card Buddyfight Mezase! Buddy Champion! Manga-ka Debut Monogatari: Suteki na Manga o Egakou
Stella Glow (Kaidoku Han)
03/18 Monster Hunter XX: Double Cross
03/30 Mario Sports Superstars
Shingeki no Kyojin: Shichi-Kara no Dasshutsu
The Alliance Alive
April:
04/20 Pro Yakyuu Famista Climax
04/20 Fire Emblem Echoes: Shadows of Valentia
Out of curiosity, anyone think it may be too soon for another FE game? Or is it more that they want to put out a new game that people can buy after playing FE mobile (just like Pokemon Go & Star/Moon 6 months later)?
I think we should also not be surprised if it's a mobile exclusive.
Heck, even a Wii U game at this point.
Splatoon 2 vs Dragon Quest XI
Next week in Japanese game magazines...
Ah excellent, thanks!
Nice write up.
Is Animal Crossing mobile still due before the end of march?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
3D Land sold better than Splatoon did. Yeah, a few 3D Mario games didn't have amazing sales in Japan, but I don't think you can really say that "3D Mario is not that big", unless the only Nintendo games you think are big are Pokemon, Animal Crossing and Mario Kart.
I mean, they've announced a sequel to their biggest new IP in years for the summer, and a big new Mario game (their flagship franchise even if it's not the #1 selling one) this holiday season. There's also Xenoblade 2 (not as big a seller, sure, but it's built up a name for itself so far) this year as well, and a new entry in Fire Emblem, one of their fastest growing franchises for next year. That seems like decent support so far, in addition to ports, Zelda, some new IPs (and Arms definitely has potential to be a breakout hit), and the fact that Nintendo tends to announce some games quite late.
It's kind of silly to act like there's nothing coming aside from Splatoon.
3D Land is very different from Odyssey.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Looks like Watch Dogs 2 has outsold Watch Dogs 1. Interesting. The game also seems to have better legs despite lower first week sales.
Famitsu #s
54 Watch Dogs 65.630 95.490 Ubisoft 26/06/2014
57 Watch Dogs 2 46.819 98.816 Ubisoft 01/12/2016
Congrats to another million seller with Super Mario Maker 3DS
05./01. [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.12.01} (¥4.700) - 29.944 / 1.014.275 <80-100%> (-76%)
Famitsu #s
54 Watch Dogs 65.630 95.490 Ubisoft 26/06/2014
57 Watch Dogs 2 46.819 98.816 Ubisoft 01/12/2016
Congrats to another million seller with Super Mario Maker 3DS
05./01. [3DS] Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS <ACT> (Nintendo) {2016.12.01} (¥4.700) - 29.944 / 1.014.275 <80-100%> (-76%)
But Watch Dogs was also released in PS3, so technically WD2 hasn't outsell it yet.
02./00. [PS4] Watch Dogs <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2014.06.26} (¥9.072) - 65.630 / NEW <80-100%>
05./00. [PS3] Watch Dogs <ADV> (Ubisoft) {2014.06.26} (¥7.992) - 39.060 / NEW <60-80%>
Even though 100k are a lock at this point, this game gonna be a bloodbath. I mean, no one asked for it. Joker 3 was horribly overshipped, and this won't be much different.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Oh right >_>... Well at least the title seems to be showing good legs. Hopefully it'll get there eventually.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yeah, but Odyssey is very different from any 3D Mario released in the past 15 years, at that. So what does "3D Mario" even mean right now?
Thanks for Youkai, MHS, and FFXV for ruining my prediction there.T_T Damn underperformers.
3DS is never going to die huh lol.
DQM 3 Professional
MHXX
FE:Echoes
Ever Oasis
DBH:UMX
Is this is finally going to be the true true final year of 3DS lol.^^
3DS is never going to die huh lol.
DQM 3 Professional
MHXX
FE:Echoes
Ever Oasis
DBH:UMX
Is this is finally going to be the true true final year of 3DS lol.^^
About Nintendo keep supporting the 3DS or FE mobile game being a gacha game or Sawano makes the best music?
With Fire Emblem's husbando / waifu size, a gacha system is the perfect fit for it. But if you were Nintendo, how will you tackle Animal Crossing F2P style?
Sycoraxic98
Neo Member
Very strong sales for Kingdom Hearts. Surprised Danganronpa sold that well, as well. Just beat it myself and was very disappointed by it - will be very curious to see if it has a sales tale. I know I wasn't the only one...
I guess both lol.^^ 3DS still getting tons of support and of course Ducky actually likes Sawano sooo much lol.^^
Thanks. And yes, it's still supposed to be Q1.
I think Animal Crossing is the harder one. Town building games have actually become less popular these days, because town building is now just a mechanic in other games, and I think that type of huge timer based town building game is a bit less Nintendo-esque (while also not capturing the core of Animal Crossing as well as Fire Emblem does).
I wonder if they'll effectively break down Animal Crossing into a bunch of smaller modes, like one where you run a shop, one where you build your house, one where you build a town, and then some minigame to get resources. There would of course also be town events. It's a bit harder to predict than Fire Emblem.
I picture AC would be minor mini-games, kind of like how Happy Home Designer was a "mode" turned into a game.
DecoReturns
Member
So very likely Fire Emblem Heros will do well in Japan?
Seems very polished.
Edit: Oh, I just literally saw that Nirolak post. Sounds good
Seems very polished.
Edit: Oh, I just literally saw that Nirolak post. Sounds good
Animal Crossing just needs to be a Miitomo that doesn't suck balls. A cute and lightweight social app with a ton of dress up and avatar options, a nice town to interact with cute animals, home decoration, social hooks that allow you to show off your avatar and room. The most important factor is that it cannot be bloated and slowass. If people want to uninstall it everytime it launches, you fucked up. Oh and I think the biggest social hook needs to be gifting. Being able to put together stuff you think a friend might like and send gifts daily or weekly is a good way to get people to continue playing the game if everyone else is.
Its a very smart game for mobile. It's checked all the right boxes to be a top tier performer.
Yeah, I think so too. The only one that is popular and I can think of atm was Hay Day. That's a relatively old game that rides on the back of farmville and where competition in mobile sphere isn't as intense as today's.
Town building is everywhere these days. Makes me wonder if orbs in FE will be used to "speed" up town building like the rest of the its kind. Gacha is really addictive too, there are even plenty of youtube videos that show people rolling for characters that gathered ten/hundred of thousands views.
I think AC mobile is really an interesting IP to watch for mobile iteration. While it seems difficult to monetize effectively, its appeal is more widespread throughout the world than Fire Emblem.
That's what I said after the Switch reveal. That for 2017 it will be a console focused device, while the 3DS will continue to get big-ish titles from third parties and Nintendo throughout the year, and at the Fall 2017 Direct they will reposition the Switch as a portable for 2018 with the announcement of portable franchises finally moving to Switch, like Monster Hunter and Pokemon.
But no, I was told that since the Switch is announced, it's unlikely Nintendo will have another Fire Emblem for 3DS!
That's what I said after the Switch reveal. That for 2017 it will be a console focused device, while the 3DS will continue to get big-ish titles from third parties and Nintendo throughout the year, and at the Fall 2017 Direct they will reposition the Switch as a portable for 2018 with the announcement of portable franchises finally moving to Switch, like Monster Hunter and Pokemon.
But no, I was told that since the Switch is announced, it's unlikely Nintendo will have another Fire Emblem for 3DS!
Didn't even need to wait till Fall. They did that today!
Well that's an understatement!