electroplankton
Banned
But hardly one that can substantially boost sales. They're all sequels targeted towards people who already own the platform.
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Media Create Sales: Week 23, 2012 (Jun 04 - Jun 10)
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But hardly one that can substantially boost sales. They're all sequels targeted towards people who already own the platform.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Woah, I missed that. Weird not getting Yakuza in Q1.
That's 4 potential 500k+ sellers PS3 has for the year. Versus 1 for Wii and probably 2-3 for Wii U so far.
And 0 for 360. :3
test_account
XP-39C²
I think that we might see a 5k yen pricedrop for the PS3 this holiday season.
Thanks for the list. Yeah, still remains to see if DQVII will have higher sales.
I agree. And that plus the great support that PS3 is getting for the holiday season (as mentioned: Hokuto no Ken Mosou 2, Yakuza 5, Tales of Xillia 2, Resident Evil 6, not coounting FFXIII versus) could really help Sony in keeping their actual "dominance" over the home console market in Japan also over the launch of the Wii U, in my opinion.
grimshawish
Banned
Haven't other price drops should less than no effect, with sales still falling?
Am not saying there won't be one - just that looking at the PS3 line up, I wouldn't bother - instead making money off the consumers who buy at the higher price.
May depend on the WiiU price ofc.
electroplankton
Banned
Let's see. But weekly PS3 numbers are really, really poor now. Wii has lost steam, but PS3 is leader with an average of 15k per week, which is quite terrible.
test_account
XP-39C²
Yep. I also think that there will be a pricecut because of the WiiU launch.
It sold pretty well. Known LTD for PS3 is 553,229. For Xbox 360 it is 47,910. So about 600k in total.
Do you mean for the PS3 or for systems in general? The PS3 started to pick up sales after the 10k yen pricedrop and the release of PS3 Slim. The games released also matters a lot of course, but the pricedrop definitely didnt hurt.
Yes, weekly sales of PS3 are not so high, honestly. But I'm also doubtful about possible Wii U's start (not only in Japan), and also PS3 weekly sales will see an increase with pricecut + great games + holiday season, so it will be interesting to see how the Japanes market will receive a brand new home console, considering how also a brand new portable system is struggling (and we know that portable > home market in Japan in the last few years)
grimshawish
Banned
There was one just at the start of Q4 last last year though. I don't think it made a huge difference if I remember rightly.
Mind you this could also mean another price cut around the same time this year and is somehow part of an annual cycle Sony want to get into as they wind the system down.
And a price drop can hurt if sales don't increase by the level needed to meet the reduction in price.
But high priced portable with no big games < New Nintendo system with 2D Mario, a minigame collection and a obnoxiously big marketing campaign.
Japan loves their 2D Marios and their minigame collections
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Wii U's launching with NSMB and Nintendoland, plus Nintendo tends to own the holidays anyway. Don't expect a Vita repeat for Wii U in 2012, it has inherent advantages Vita never did, not the least of which being PS3 is no 3DS.
Vita > 3DS for the first time since Vita's launch week
http://mantan-web.jp/2012/06/19/20120619dog00m200026000c.html
At TSUTAYA stores
http://mantan-web.jp/2012/06/19/20120619dog00m200026000c.html
Right. I think this kind of happened last time in 2009, but people tend to discount 2D Mario, probably because this board isn't really enamored with it.
NSMB Wii sold almost 4.5 million copies- the best selling console game by far this generation.
Plus more Wii Fit and Nintendoland- I actually think Wii U will do very well in Japan, at least initially.
You both are right.
But it will depend also on the initial price (we saw how a wrongly positioned console could face problems, with the 3ds) and on the "trend" that Nintendo will be or not be able to set with their Gamepad + Nintendoland approach.
I don't think that those two elements could repeat the success of the Remote + Sport, for example, that set a fever back in the days
electroplankton
Banned
Me neither, but it's also true that in Japan Wii did not explode as in the US or Europe, and it has been only a moderate success so far.
Well, I think that it did quiet well, for being a home console.
It risks to be catch by PS3 in terms of LTD's as by X360 in the US, at the end of the generation, with dominant years followed by very weak years at the end.
One question: if the Wii was just a moderate success, looking at the gamepad as a weaker element compared to the remote, isn't even more possible a scenario like the one I described?
The problem in Japan for the Wii was simple- games. The release list just grew more barren every year.
I *think* Wii U could get better 3rd party support than Wii, because I think the atmosphere is very different than 2005/2006 when companies were deciding where to make their games.
I think the best case scenario for Nintendo is a good launch, and just steady sales for the next 4-5 years, as opposed to starting out hot, going down a cliff, and basically only being relevant during the holiday.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Wii did explode in Japan, the problem was it declined faster than the west due to 3rd party support.
The upswing would be that the game pad brings in an audience the remote didn't. I think Wii U was very much designed to capture both the Wii and PS3 audiences, much like the 3DS was designed to capture borh the DS and PSP audiences. Software is the key though, they're pulling it off with 3DS, but Wii U will undoubtey be a harder road.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/game/event/capcomjam/stage.html
Monster Hunter 3G International is coming, plus Monster Hunter 4 update.
I think that ship has sailed, man.
electroplankton
Banned
No, because imo the Wiimote was not as decisive in Japan as it was in the West. Wii sold well because it has a nice support during the first years, it had Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter and Nintendo was on fire thanks to DS (so Mario Kart and Mario were huge). Wii U may sell well thanks to an advanced release and a good launch line-up.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Only because Yamauchi gave Horii a cold.
To me the GamePad is taylor made for Japan, for all its attributes (and Karaoke!). Of course japanese lineup is still unknown and will be the decisive factor.
Vita definitely hitting it's stride now.
:lol :lol :lol
Wow, the "can't support our creative vision" excuse isn't just limited to the Wii, after all.
It doesn't need to to take over console leadership in Japan from the PS3.
The first of countless times it shall, I'm sure
JoshuaJSlone
Member
During its first year where hardware sales were by far the strongest, Wii Sports and Wii Play dominated. Hard to not see the wiimote as key to that.
electroplankton
Banned
During its first year where hardware sales were by far the strongest, Wii Sports and Wii Play dominated. Hard to not see the wiimote as key to that.
It was a strong selling point, but not as in the West imo.
test_account
XP-39C²
The PS3 sales have been good since that last pricedrop too (18. August 2011).
Sure, but that is a question you cant get an answer to before you do a pricedrop. A PS3 pricedrop will also make the difference between PS3 and WiiU bigger.
Japan has historically been the least price sensitive of the three major territories. Obviously there's still a breaking point somewhere, but price alone is typically a more muted factor in Japan than in other regions.
2 years is not enough time for a NEW Pokemon, hence B&W2 is the equivalent of Platinum to DS's Diamond & Pearl. When 3DS gets it's first Pokemon, it will be a new generation game.
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont know about Japan regarding price sensitivity, but interest will be the number one priority anyway. I think this is the same pretty much worldwide. If one system is much more interesting than another system, i think that most people dont let the price decide (the Gamecube didnt move tons of units over the PS2 despite being $99, just to take one example). It still remains to see how the interest level will be for the WiiU compared to the PS3. I have no idea about how it will turn out, not much a gut feeling either.
If you want to take the interest factor, Wii U is getting a sequel to a game that sold 4.5 million on Wii for launch. There got to be some interest for that game.
charlequin
Banned
I honestly don't see what you can possibly be basing that on.
BishopLamont
Banned
Its actually more impressive since you have to buy those games in Japan.
In the west Wii still had some western stuff to carry it, GH, Just Dance, Lego etc.... Japan was literally all Nintendo.
I hope you're joking, otherwise this is a bit sad.
"Hitting its stride" along with "Playstation family" are two terms that crop up in PR and are a dead giveaway for when they want to sound positive when the numbers would give a rather different impression. PS3 has been "hitting its stride" in several NPD PR statements, for instance.
Hence the usage here has evolved into a somewhat mocking sense; acknowledging an increase, but noting that it's still fairly weak.
MOMENTUM!!! XD
I knew there was a third I was trying to remember!
I think that remote and its applications (sport and play) were THE reason behind the Wii's japanese success.
But, everybody could have his own opinion, of course!
About Vita: is it possible in your opinion, Gaffers, to see Vita's HW numbers very close to 3DS's HW numbers this week, as in TSUTAYA stores?
But, everybody could have his own opinion, of course!
About Vita: is it possible in your opinion, Gaffers, to see Vita's HW numbers very close to 3DS's HW numbers this week, as in TSUTAYA stores?
mugurumakensei
Member
Nope.
Depends on how the 3DS holds this week, it will be closer than usual but I wouldn't expect anything crazy.
Bruno MB
Member
I doubt it very much.
Last week PS Vita sold 13,500 units. Let's say in a very optimistic scenario that it has tripled its sales, that would put it around 40,000 units.
3DS already had its decline after the release of Dragon Quest Monsters: Terry's Wonderland 3D (from 101,000 to 65,000) so nothing suggests that it has had a significant drop this week. Even less considering that DQM has probably had a very strong third week if the supply issues were solved.
electroplankton
Banned
PSVita at 30-35k would be astonishing.
test_account
XP-39C²
Sure, but i'm thinking more long term. I dont think there is much doubt that the system will sell at least a few million units within the first 12 months. Outside of that, i have no idea.
Not really astonishing.
Surely you'd expect a boost to at least 30k for Vita considering Persona 4 Vita is always near the top of the Famitu most wanted list (the number 1 game on occasion) and has been in the top 10 at Amazon for months.
I'd be more surprised if Vita didn't break 30k to be honest..50k wouldn't surprise me.
Persona 4 will certainly be the number 1 game this week. If Gundam can do 40k on Vita then I'd expect over 100k for Persona 4...and a tripling of hardware sales would go hand in hand with that.
It's a joke account.