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Metal Gear Solid 4 PS3 & God of War PSP Bundles Announced
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I AM JOHN!
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Devil's Advocacy, more like. :|Second said:
omg rite said:
Well I'm sure Sony has aspirations that MGS4 will be as big as Gears. I think the bundle is designed to hype MGS4 and to combat the advantage MS has with the DLC.
They have to do something to negate the huge advantage MS has with the dlc and it makes sense that they would say get the PS3 so you can play both games as opposed to only GTA + DLC.
Yeah...:lolElbrain said:WTF MGS 2 6-7 mill units and MGS 3 2-4 mill units is that fucking NICHE FOR YoU!
Anyhow it is almost guaranteed that MS will lower teh price on the 360 for GTA and this move of anouncing the bundle this early just bodes poorly for sales of the PS3 until June.
I AM JOHN!
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Because as much as people like to put credence in MGS' ability to skyrocket the PS3 into 360's territory, it's practically been a series of diminishing returns since MGS2? Not to mention that these are high profile Microsoft releases that are probably going to be marketed the shit out of?Wollan said:
Hey, I'm not saying MGS is gonna fail, or even that either of those games are going to do better than it, but I think everyone who thinks that's it's going to be a world-crushing hit needs to get a reality check...
Oh God, I've started Sales-Aging again! I need to get out of this thread!! :<
Fine, you may be right about that, but it doesn't mean Sony is just going to throw in the towel with GTAIV. I'm looking at this from the perspective of what Sony is trying to do marketing wise, not what Joe Casual may or may not be thinking.
I imagine that Sony's plan is to go ape shit with the advertising and hype for MGS4. They will be trying to make MGS a huge event, whether they are successful or not we don't know. If they are successful, then it will at the very least create a decision for people, and likely cut into 360 sales that result from GTAIV and the exclusive DLC.
I'm not saying it will work, just that this is what they are trying to do. I doubt Sony is just sitting there saying well, they've got Halo and it's cheaper, so let's just concede all the people upgrading as a result of GTA to Microsoft.
Jtrizzy said:
Are you assuming that GTIV is for 'casual' gamers? If GTIV is 'casual', why can't MGS4 be 'casual'? I will also add the Epic had aspirations that Gears would be as big as the Metal Gear series in terms of units sold.
I do agree that MS has the advantage with DLC for GTIV. The problem is ... we have no idea on what the content is. If users shell out the money on the 360 for GTIV, they are not necessarily buying it for the DLC and if they do, its with hope that the DLC is good. How many GOLD members are there versus Xbox 360 owners? If they want the DLC, they'll have to shell out $50.00 for the year on membership + the cost of DLC. With all the money spent to get the 'max' out of GTIV you could have bought a PS3 with MGS4 buddled.
I've always thought that in terms of selling power, it went God of War > Devil May Cry > Ninja Gaiden.
Ninja Gaiden really is a hardcore game -- Made by hardcore gamers for hardcore gamers. It's very difficult to play, and it lacks some of the more extravagant production values of Devil May Cry and especially God of War.
In terms of action games, Ninja Gaiden isn't niche; it's a well known title that holds its own. But in terms of the bigger picture, it really sort of... is.
It's not in the same ballpark as MGS4, thats for sure.
Ninja Gaiden really is a hardcore game -- Made by hardcore gamers for hardcore gamers. It's very difficult to play, and it lacks some of the more extravagant production values of Devil May Cry and especially God of War.
In terms of action games, Ninja Gaiden isn't niche; it's a well known title that holds its own. But in terms of the bigger picture, it really sort of... is.
It's not in the same ballpark as MGS4, thats for sure.
FortunateSon
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Let me summarize the last 3 pages of this thread. Sales. That's all. Sales.
Omg rite <--------- Stop tearing down. Just relax.
I just got a question, it seems everyone here is so confident that people will buy GTA for the 360 just because of the dlc? You've got to be kidding me. That's just WOW territory.
People don't even know how the whole dlc thing is going to pan out. I do however believe in logic, if people told me people were buying GTA on the 360 because the 360 is simply the cheaper option to play the game on, that's fair. But people buying GTA on 360 because of dlc? Is it fair if I say people will associate GTA with the Playstation brand name and therefore actually sell more on the Ps3? Please, for fuck sakes. Casual could careless about the goddamn dlc and casuals could careless about the damn brand association but if anything, I'd put brand association havning more pulling power than dlc.
Jesus. Omg rite, you are sure are on fire in this thread. Do you own a Ps3? If not, grab one in June, good time to get one.
And uh, Too Human and Ninja Gaiden are NOT MGS caliber.
Omg rite <--------- Stop tearing down. Just relax.
I just got a question, it seems everyone here is so confident that people will buy GTA for the 360 just because of the dlc? You've got to be kidding me. That's just WOW territory.
People don't even know how the whole dlc thing is going to pan out. I do however believe in logic, if people told me people were buying GTA on the 360 because the 360 is simply the cheaper option to play the game on, that's fair. But people buying GTA on 360 because of dlc? Is it fair if I say people will associate GTA with the Playstation brand name and therefore actually sell more on the Ps3? Please, for fuck sakes. Casual could careless about the goddamn dlc and casuals could careless about the damn brand association but if anything, I'd put brand association havning more pulling power than dlc.
Jesus. Omg rite, you are sure are on fire in this thread. Do you own a Ps3? If not, grab one in June, good time to get one.
And uh, Too Human and Ninja Gaiden are NOT MGS caliber.
pr0cs
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sajj316 said:
MGS4 is really far from casual, in North America anyway. The necessity to have played the previous versions, the language barrier (though I haven't read if the game has voice dubs or not) and the story are pretty huge barrier to entry.
If Sony markets the shit out of the game it might do well but even comparing GTA4 to MGS4 is silly in regards to "casual gamer awareness".
BenjaminBirdie
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FortunateSon said:
And I'd put both of those behind the marketing juggernaut MS is going to be putting behind the 360 version. DLC is just the differential. It's the PROMOTION of ANY differential that's going to make the difference.
Pai Pai Master
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pr0cs said:
Wow. How can you even comment when you're under the impression that MGS4 will have a language barrier for American gamers? Why would it not be dubbed?
Ryan's said it plenty of times and from what we've all seen it seems very apparent, Kojima Productions is building this game to be very playable by those who are new to the series. I'd expect huge recap options for those who haven't played the first three games.
OldJadedGamer
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I AM JOHN! said:
Also, Konami shut down the MGS3 online not even a year after the game came out due to lack of interest.
Also, what's up with the lack of memory card in the PSP bundle? How much extra does it cost to throw a 32mb card in there so people can save their games? The Dexter bundle did it right and included a gig stick.
FortunateSon
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BenjaminBirdie said:
What? I get it dlc is the differential but you really think it's going to make any difference? Not in the grand scheme of things.
So you are simply suggesting because of the marketing push Ms will put behind dlc and that being the differential will impact this?
First of all, you have no clue about how Ms is going to market this.
Why are people acting as if GTA isn't hitting the Ps3? It is. Doesn't matter of MGS4 is as casual as GTA is. Ps3 is getting BOTH. If Sony was smart, they could DEFINATELY use this to their advantage big time.
Tell me you played MGS3: O. Just stay away from Sony threads.
Fine forget the DLC. A shit load of people will be upgrading to a new system for GTA, many of whom will not care about Blu Ray. From a games perspective, Sony needs to have a reason for people to choose PS3 over the 360 when GTA comes out, and if they can get the hype meter up for MGS, then (imo) a significant number of people will choose the PS3 in anticipation of the new Metal Gear. They have to combat the fact that the 360 is cheaper in some way. Again they are not just going to let MS walk away with all of the new hardware buyers who will enter the market as a result of GTAIV.
pr0cs
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Pai Pai Master said:
I can comment because I don't know for sure. And it sounds like you don't know either. MGS4 better be dubbed otherwise it will be a death knell for "casual" gamers. The story itself is NOT going to be friendly to gamers new to the series anyway. Shit I even played MGS and watching the hype videos for MGS4 I had no fucking clue what was going on. You're crazy if JSP is going to understand the story.
ShinAmano said:
I'm assuming because there are no definitives to the DLC plan with respect to GTAIV. What happens if the DLC involves online play? Don't you need a GOLD membership then? MS is saying its in the form of expansion packs. What kind of expansion packs? Online expansion pack or is more of the same thing? I'll keep assuming until someone tells me what it is.
Pai Pai Master
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pr0cs said:
Have you watched any of the recent trailers?
I AM JOHN!
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When the fuck HASN'T an MGS been dubbed?pr0cs said:
SolidSnakex
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pr0cs said:
If you're going to try to put arguments up against MGS4 at least have some clue as to what you're talking about.
BenjaminBirdie
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FortunateSon said:
Not specificially, but people like Blim have alluded to a massive push behind it.
Look, you're free to believe it's not going to happen, just like I'm free to take the information we do have and draw conclusions from that.
FortunateSon
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"Anyway, yes. MGS4 is not casual. but it is mainstream. Argument - Over"
I agree.
I agree.
I AM JOHN!
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I don't, but it wouldn't be unprecedented of them to do so if their "EXCLUSIVE DLC!!!" ploy gets them further and further ahead of PS3 in terms of game and hardware sales.Tideas said:
Red Blaster
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OldJadedGamer said:
Lack of interest from Konami, but there was definitely a sizeable community playing it. They've moved onto Portable Ops.
I AM JOHN!
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They don't have to stop when their competition is incompetent.Tideas said:
Pai Pai Master
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I AM JOHN! said:
They're going to charge for GTAIV themes. I'll be damned if they don't charge for actual game content. This has nothing to do with the topic though.
And lol @ "incompetent."
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