GhostTrick
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It's also not only about begging for PC games to consoles, but console game to another console. Anyway, point is, you have port beggers everywhere, and there's no one-side that prevails more than another.
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Michael Pachter says "PC Gamers are like Racists"
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It's also not only about begging for PC games to consoles, but console game to another console. Anyway, point is, you have port beggers everywhere, and there's no one-side that prevails more than another.
I completely agree. Just wanted to clarify for people who think it only goes one way.
2002whitegt
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I play most of my games on PC, but have had a PS4 since launch and I'm about to start playing Destiny for the first time.
If the game is available on PC, I will try to get it on PC, otherwise if the game seems great but is exclusive I get it on PS4.
Not that hard.
If the game is available on PC, I will try to get it on PC, otherwise if the game seems great but is exclusive I get it on PS4.
Not that hard.
Vulcano's assistant
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Hell I used to own a few Xboxes myself, I mean...
Vigilant Walrus
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I've lurked for years on GAF before I signed up and I remember how Neogaf was in 2004-2005. During these years it was common to laugh at PC gaming with the prhase "pc gaming is dead".
And then WoW and Steam got big and then it was "There is no good games on PC besides WoW and Steam".
The reality is that the 128-bit consoles and games like Halo came when there was a low period for PC gaming. There is no denying that things weren't going swimmingly.
So what happened afterwards that as PC gaming got traction, PC gamers went INSANE on console gamers as retribution, and that is what we're seeing now.
I also think PC gamers and PC builders are antagonistic and afraid of closed down systems. They dont like Apple or consoles or Microsoft closing down Windows. These things are bad because it goes again PC as a open standard. they dont like not being able to mod, not owning their own games, having DRM or not being able to host their own servers and so on.
PC Gaming is about freedom and so some PC gamers latch out on others.
The treatment console gamers have gotten on this forum is not okay. And I say that as a PC gamer. Console games are not inferior to PC games, it is a different style of enjoying games. Its true that console gamers used to be dicks to PC gamers back in the day, but two wrongs don't make a right.
And then WoW and Steam got big and then it was "There is no good games on PC besides WoW and Steam".
The reality is that the 128-bit consoles and games like Halo came when there was a low period for PC gaming. There is no denying that things weren't going swimmingly.
So what happened afterwards that as PC gaming got traction, PC gamers went INSANE on console gamers as retribution, and that is what we're seeing now.
I also think PC gamers and PC builders are antagonistic and afraid of closed down systems. They dont like Apple or consoles or Microsoft closing down Windows. These things are bad because it goes again PC as a open standard. they dont like not being able to mod, not owning their own games, having DRM or not being able to host their own servers and so on.
PC Gaming is about freedom and so some PC gamers latch out on others.
The treatment console gamers have gotten on this forum is not okay. And I say that as a PC gamer. Console games are not inferior to PC games, it is a different style of enjoying games. Its true that console gamers used to be dicks to PC gamers back in the day, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Huge Succeeded
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I can't believe you're still going lmao
seriously, he's just grasping at straws at this point. More of this and we'll have another greyname to add to the pile
Forever Changes
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But I and many, many PC gamers also game on console.
Vulcano's assistant
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you can't afford GTX1080s when the hispanics took you job
Huge Succeeded
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As far as I've been able to tell, that applies to a very large portion of the PC gamers on GAF. Which is part of why I don't understand Pachter's original comment to begin with (or those who feel like it's 'on point') - because no, in my experience, there are PC gamers who talk shit on consoles, but a whole heap of PC gamers are still playing games on other platforms including console and mobile.
I don't know what the heck you're talking about, to be frank. GAF has one of the more amiable, friendly, and helpful PC gaming communities out there. And yeah, PC gaming was laughed at around here back last gen, but you've got to remember that that didn't really even stop until the Xbox One and PS4 were released, as relatively underpowered consoles with reasonably priced high-spec PC alternatives. Since then, you'd be surprised to find just how little it takes to have someone convinced that you're acting elitist or overzealous over PC around here. People will sometimes ignore entire threads worth of mostly pleasant discussion in favor of letting one or two assholes or shitty remarks dictate their entire perception of GAF's PC gaming community - which is never fair.
Zomba13
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The RAM just got higher.
GhostTrick
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I love how he said a "quick search" all of that to skim through 11 pages of post history... to find one post about an humble bundle (in the Steam thread) and one joke with Hektor about Nier Automata, in the Steam thread again.
GhostOfSparta305
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Easily the most sensible post here.
This thread reached 20+ pages solely due to people latching onto a subsidiary word that Michael used in his primary point.
Notice how users enraged at him for "insulting" them paid no attention to the "twit" comment until he came in here & brought it up himself...and even then still chose to focus on the other word?
Heckler456
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I think it's safe to say that with stuff like this, people talk about general trends, not about every single solitary person separately.
Nemesis121
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Consoles have a lot of great games not on PC, but i love my PC more because of the mods, replay an old game like Oblivion and change your experience with mods, can't do that with console, if console had modding then i gladly come back to comfy chair gaming...
lowhighkang_LHK
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Didn't Yahtzee first use it to make fun of PC gaming?
In anycase, it's pretty silly to see some people defend the usage of the term, it's a term used in reflection of the Aryan Race mentality Hitler used to kill millions. I don't know why you'd want an entire subreddit to be named as a reflection of that.
Huge Succeeded
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Outside of the subreddit I'm pretty sure people with a bone to pick against PC gamers tend to throw it more. That certainly without question applies to GAF
Personally, I'm not offended as though I'm being compared directly to a racist - I'm disappointed because Pachter saw fit to help perpetuate outdated and unfair stereotypes against PC gamers with his generalization. And I wouldn't use racists and other human scum as my metric for comparing the zealotry of childish platform warriors online, either. I get the context, but that still doesn't make for an accurate analogy as far as I'm concerned, not outside of a vocal minority of sad people (who ought not to, in 2016, continue to represent the PC community as a whole, as it's made big strides) at the very least.
mr teaspoon
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derExperte
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All that talk about context but we still don't know what was said word for word.
If you know that you'll eventually want to get in I'd do it now while people and stores are offloading old 4s, should be possible to get one for ~200 or a good bundle.
Me too.
In my defense I recently won the collection, gotta give it a spin and see how far the game has come since the imo terrible beta.
If you know that you'll eventually want to get in I'd do it now while people and stores are offloading old 4s, should be possible to get one for ~200 or a good bundle.
Me too.
In my defense I recently won the collection, gotta give it a spin and see how far the game has come since the imo terrible beta.
Jesus Carbomb
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Don't even get him started on their small penises.
Randomizer
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Not to make fun of PC gaming per say. He used it in jest, making fun of the mindset of a very vocal subsection of PC gamers. Ironically they are the ones who have adopted the term and now use it non ironically.
chekhonte
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It was in our faces the whole time.
Not bad, not bad.
GhostOfSparta305
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Stone Ocean
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There are a million other ways you can go about making the same point without comparing it to racism
Comparing being an annoying fanboy - lets pretend console fanboys are any better - to racism just because of one particular aspect of if is silly. No one is going to go, hmm, yes, its definitely like racism if you take out everything that makes racism what it is except the obsession over something, thanks for comparing me to a mindset that has commited some of the greatest atrocities in history because I like to play fucking videogames on a computer.
Thats not even going into the gross generalization.
ShadowFox08
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26 pages in like 12hours? Wtf
Huge Succeeded
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I wouldn't say no-one. There are posts in here that suggest otherwise
LordRaptor
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I find the usage of a serious real world problem to describe what is a mild annoyance offensive, not the generalising idiocy of "all Pc gamers be like...".
Roland1979
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But what if you actually are superior? (Asking for a friend)
BigEmil
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That's obviously not true. You will always see much more PC users port begging than any other platform user there's no denying that.
Huge Succeeded
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uhh, I think there's plenty of room to deny that. Could you give me just one example of a thread going down like that here at GAF?
Heckler456
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Where preferences are concerned, there is no such thing. Which is what makes the people harping on and on about this as annoying as they are to the reasonably minded.
Can't we just be honest with each other? You would honestly say that, for games like Bloodborne and Persona 5, there were more people audible wishing it came to xbox than there were people wishing they "just release it on PC, I don't get why don't just do it, what's the point of console exclusives."
That's another form it takes, the frequent lamenting of console exclusives as a whole. Or mentioning in a thread "man, can you imagine if x amazing first party developer released their game on PC! They'd look so good!" I see those things happen far more often than I see PC exclusive threads being overwhelmed by these types of comment by console gamers.
BigEmil
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Not GAF I meant everywhere else like other sites, forums, youtube etc. Actually still in GAF there are more PC users port begging. Its just there are less here because its one of the rules in this forum you can't portbeg..but there are some workarounds but still its seen frowned upon in this forum that's why you wouldn't see it much here. Also there are Many dedicated port-begging threads to PC look at those Sega port to PC threads for example etc lol
LordRaptor
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1055274
Couldn't even make it to post 5 without the port begging derailment starting
fake edit: Oh, it was confirmation bias the other way?
Sorry, couldn't find any, and I checked FFXV announcement, DQ Heroes announcement, and SO5 announcement threads looking.
All I saw there were PS4 owners going "Man, fuck PS3 owners, this shoulda been a PS4 exclusive"
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
As a black person that deals with racism every fucking day, you need to sit down and shut up.
They're just words. I can't believe how dim some people are.
Huge Succeeded
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It's been pointed out elsewhere in this thread but here on GAF at least, there are more apparent examples of PC->console portbegging as of late than the alternative. Not sure which threads you're talking about when you're referencing Sega ports though. I'm really not sure where you're seeing this port-begging outside of Youtube comments but eh, who knows.
GhostTrick
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Of course it is true. There's obviously denying that, unless you have facts or just what you prefer to see. In any case, you will always have exemples of pc users port begging or ps4/vita/wiiu/3ds/nx/xb1 users port begging. Let's remember that infamous Bayonetta 2 thread for instance. Or the Rise of the Tomb Raider one.
Steve Youngblood
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Personally -- and I'm not trying to make excuses for obnoxious behavior -- but I think "port begging" for PC versions is often times understandable just in terms of trying to understand what the status of it is. Port begging as far as I'm concerned is problematic when the system wars stuff distracts from discussion about the game. Like when it's clear that First Party X has secured exclusivity for Game Y, there's no point in whining about how you want it on System Z. It's not going to happen, at least not as long as there is an exclusivity deal in place (after all, some of these deals are timed). But when a game is announced as multiplatform but with no PC version, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask about the status of a PC deal. After all, there's clearly no legal reason why such a version doesn't exist. So many games get PC releases nowadays.
Now if the developer does clearly state that there are no plans for a PC version now, I would agree that it doesn't help anything to derail conversation whining about the lack of a PC release. But I just think initial inquiry about the possible release of a PC version isn't problematic.
To put it another way, there's a difference in my mind between a genuine search for clarity and whining because you aren't getting your way. Something like "will there eventually be a PC release?" or "I hope it releases on PC some day" are worlds apart from something like "What, no PC release? Fuck those clowns!"
Now if the developer does clearly state that there are no plans for a PC version now, I would agree that it doesn't help anything to derail conversation whining about the lack of a PC release. But I just think initial inquiry about the possible release of a PC version isn't problematic.
To put it another way, there's a difference in my mind between a genuine search for clarity and whining because you aren't getting your way. Something like "will there eventually be a PC release?" or "I hope it releases on PC some day" are worlds apart from something like "What, no PC release? Fuck those clowns!"
guys... Patcher's a 50 something analyst with a wife and kids whose profession happens to intersect with the gaming community. he's only going to have a peripheral grasp of "gamer culture" and make sweeping generalities when inquired about it. he does this sort of thing a lot
it's like getting riled up about your grandpa off handedly saying obama's a muslim or whatever
it's like getting riled up about your grandpa off handedly saying obama's a muslim or whatever
TwiztidElf
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Hard not to side with Pachter on this one.
It's clearly a poorly written beat up. Their<>there just confirms the poor standard.
It's clearly a poorly written beat up. Their<>there just confirms the poor standard.
DeadlyParasite
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Does playing on consoles and PC together make me some kind of freak outcast by both sides?
GhostOfSparta305
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Except he didn't equate the two as a whole. He compared one aspect of the two to illustrate a separate point (zealotry). Said differently:
An apple is red.
A Nazi flag is red.
If somebody says he likes apples, is he also an antisemite?
Vulcano's assistant
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It is somewhat intuitive, since it is a bit more similar to asking for blurays of films 5 years ago than just wanting the release in your platform of choice. A port of , say Gravity Rush 2 to the NX or Xbox only means that you don't have to buy two systems in most cases. A port to PC always has the double dip baggage attached because you can get extra stuff out of playing it again on a new quality if you can afford it. Like a new scan of the the print given to a film.
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