It's what happens when a majority of the legislature is elected by a minority of the electorate.
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Michigan state House approves carrying concealed guns without permit
- Thread starter GK86
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It's what happens when a majority of the legislature is elected by a minority of the electorate.
I live in a damn amazing community in Michigan with amazing schools, amazing parks, a great family atmosphere, great restaurants, etc. I've lived in East coast states, but I love the attitude in Michigan which is generally friendly and polite.
However, what's going on with racial and social attitudes is fucking embarrassing. The Detroit area has not recovered from the 60's riots and is in general getting more segregated. It's the most segregated area in the country. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americas-most-segregated-cities_us_57d2c19ae4b0f831f7071b3d
The increase in conservative attitudes and brain drain from the rest of the state only adds to this. I day all of this not to attack the state, but because it needs to be acknowledged and fixed.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
How would this put guns in their hands?
Carrying a gun isn't criminal behavior, so what criminal behavior do you think this will encourage and cause people to emulate?
Convicted felons can't have guns, so owning or being in possession of one is already a crime for them. This doesn't make it legal for felons to possess guns. Do you think that convicted felons that get out of prison and carry guns apply for concealed carry permits? Do you think that if they don't get them they just decide not to carry guns?
RedNalgene
Member
Don't skip the last part of that article. They are working on allowing state rights to cross over. Therefore if you have the right to conceal carry in michigan then you can do the same when visiting other states as well. Even if it's not allowed by that state.
Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
I would rather a class be required, to be honest. I have my ccp, and before I got it I thought I was pretty gun savvy. The trainer taught me otherwise.
Common misconception. The so called wild west was actually pretty safe. Shoot outs in town were pretty rare, and in most places even am individual shooting was a surprise. So lot of people were armed, yes. But that was because 1) Everyone else had a firearm and 2) if you spent a lot of time put of town running into not happy wildlife was pretty common.
Cow Mengde
Banned
Are rocket launchers ok? I want to be able to walk the streets feeling safe knowing I have a rocket launcher concealed on me.
Encouraging people to carry guns will cause an increase in assaults. http://www.jhsph.edu/research/cente...un-policy-and-research/_pdfs/GunsOnCampus.pdf
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
That part can be easily skipped. Something like that will not pass, and even if it does, California will have it overturned post haste.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
Yeah that's pretty terrifying. I see no reason to at least need a permit.
RedNalgene
Member
I really hope you're right. Otherwise I may need to seriously consider leaving the country.
All of your questions have answers that can be found in crime statistics that simply don't exist anywhere else in the world. Nobody is concerned with law abiding gun owners. They're concerned about what happens when they have accidents, get depressed, get burgled, get forgetful or stop being law abiding gun owners.
Again America is an outrageous unmatched outlier in gun crime, accident and suicide. And all of those increase in a rate commensurate with the increase or ease of availability.
One solution is training and regulation. It's demanded for automobiles. It should be demanded for guns.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
That is about college age people, a group who are statistically more reckless than other adults, to the point that the insurance industry charges them higher premiums. They're not exactly representative of the general population. I question the relevance of that to this law. What's more, Michigan already bans concealed weapons at colleges, so people doing that will already be criminals.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
hey that totally worked in Deus Ex. My trusty champion of swift justice, hogging all my inventory space. But I felt SAFE, dammit.
Also, I guess this means The Predator is now literally legal too, since he's got weapons, but he is also concealed. Better hope the hunt doesn't start in Michigan!
Its literally in th OP, I mean come on.
How does that statement not advocate emulating the behaviour of a criminal when the very sponsor of the bill literally said it.
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Wouldn't an honest person want to go for gun safety training?
Dude Abides
Banned
Eh. Once you get west of AA you may as well be in Idaho.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
The problem with that is that guns don't create the crime, in places where they are not allowed people don't just stop committing crimes and stop killing people. What's more, people that kill someone with a gun are typically already criminals. Someone just snapping one day and murdering another person is almost unheard of.
old
Member
Safety Classes? You want gun owners to know the law, proper safe handling, and trigger discipline? Then what, tomorrow it's biolocks, the next year it's smart guns that can be remotely disabled by police.
Sorry I'm not with you comrade, or should I say, Chairman Stalin. Why do you hate America?
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Emulating criminal behavior means doing something because it is a crime. Making something that's not a crime easier to do for law abiding citizens doesn't make them more like criminals.
Agent_ShortBus
Member
Hope this never happens in CA. Minorities there should buy a handgun and carry ut around in public and see if these mostly white people start to feel like when everyone who isn't white open carries.
Vital Tundra
Member
Criminals don't obey the law, so why should civilians have to?
Jesus fucking Christ.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Permanently A
Junior Member
Give black people some guns and watch how fast they move to get rid of this law.
Saint Gregory
Member
People should really stop comparing the current insanity in this country to the wild west. The wild west actually had more sensible gun regulation than most red states. You had to leave your guns with the sheriff when entering town in most wild west communities for instance.
Greatest Ever
Member
It's an amazing state to live in. Just hung out in Ann Arbor today.
Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
Actually, a few years back groups of blacks in I wanna say Texas started doing patrols with firearms and the NRA applauded them for exercising their rights.
If anything, as long as you aren't out causing havoc the NRA doesn't care about your skin color. Just so long as you keep buying guns.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
People who weren't white carrying guns openly is the only reason California has gun control.
exmachina64
Banned
Nah, the "honest people" will kill the bad people in "self-defense."
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Elected officials changing laws isn't giving people exemption from laws.
I'm not the one comparing the actions of criminals disregarding gun safety regulations as something to imitate.
I quoted you exactly, word for word, what the State Representative that sponsored this very same bill said.
Because "criminals are not paying fees, taking classes and waiting for approval to come in the mail before they begin carrying guns,"
This now "levels the playing field for honest people"
This is exactly what it means imitate others.
Because Criminals dont heed gun safety legislation, regular people shouldn't either, right?
Hey.. look, I know a guy that drives uninsured without a license, maybe I need to level the playing field.
Exactly. They're just turning those criminals into law abiding citizens
Except the Wild West had gun laws.
out of curiosity what weren't you aware of before the class?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Michigan is trying to snatch Florida's weave.
backflip10019
Member
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Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
I was aware of everything, he just taught me to second guess myself and question if I was doing it to be a nutter or actual safety. Carrying a handgun is a HUGE responsibility, and not to be taken lightly. I passed easily, but had to do some serious thinking on if I wanted to deal with the fallout should I ever have to actually use it. Which is what a good trainer will do.
I rarely actually carry, as I generally have little reason to. But now I know that if I do, I'm prepared to accept the consequences of my actions if the worst should happen. Which I hope never does.
whitemex88
Member
We need more good guys, guys
Earthstrike
Member
And you know what? Criminal don't even have their license? Why should anyone have to take a driver competency course before they get their license?
What could possibly go wrong.
What could possibly go wrong.
