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The fact that they're helping with the upscaler confirms it's not 1080p. Now to see what res it'll be at...

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Curious if it's across the board they remove the filter or just Titanfall

Ryse seems to have gotten around it, KI was pretty bad before but they made a patch that either got around it or disabled it. Was DR3's fixed?

DR3 still sucks at night, KI kicked up the game but the blacks are still crushed, and Ryse uses it's own scaler so it's outputting 1080p to a single display plane. KI and DR3 use one display plane for a 1080p HUD and another plane for the 720p rendered image I believe.

 

[rogue_nine82]

Cool Story. As long as Titanfall feels fresh....that is fine by me. The FPS genre needs a shakeup.

 

[robovanburen]

Man, they're really betting big on this game.

 

[Somnid]

"Beta tested in the future" is becoming more and more of a reality. This console clearly could have used another year in the oven.

Is this what we're going to say everytime feature improvements/fixes happen? I understand if something is broken it shouldn't ship like that, but complaining that this thing that could be better wasn't perfect initially and patches show it's just a beta product all along is silly and overly hyperbolic.

 

[Alx]

Reduce the deadzone?

Since their problem was that the controls felt too twitchy I I'd say they will do the opposite: either increase the dead zone or "flatten" the response curve.

 

[Goodacre0081]

if this is a system level thing won't it effect all other games on the console?

 

[Muzy72]

"Beta tested in the future" is becoming more and more of a reality. This console clearly could have used another year in the oven.

Doesn't that go for any console nowadays, though? Wii U and PS4 have had their fair share of launch problems / missing features as well.

 

[SwiftDeath]

DR3 still sucks at night, KI kicked up the game but the blacks are still crushed, and Ryse uses it's own scaler so it's outputting 1080p to a single display plane. KI and DR3 use one display plane for a 1080p HUD and another plane for the 720p rendered image I believe.

All right I have no idea what's going on with the upscaler then. So it looks like the upscaler applies when it uses multiple display panes? Or just sub-1080p content? Or sub-1080p content with multiple display panes?

Doesn't that go for any console nowadays, though? Wii U and PS4 have had their fair share of launch problems / missing features as well.

But sony and nintendo didn't advertise the fact quite so boldly

 

[Rebel Leader]

Patching controllers is...

New.

How is such a thing even possible?

 

[Fried Food]

so is the upscaler fix going to address the sharpening filter that is being added?

 

[MavFan619]

MS bending over backwards for Respawn....


If EA brings the sequel to PS4 (they will) that would be a huge slap in the face for MS....

To be fair with PS4 I don't think there would be a need for requests like upscaler fixes. And it wouldn't be a slap in the face it would make financial sense.

 

[jooey]

These kinda decisions should've been made a few months before.

Can you imagine the noise chamber that was Microsoft throughout 2013? Everything being pulled in different directions, entertainment execs throwing their weight around.. eventually you have to get *something* finished. Just be glad they want to take care of Respawn and that Respawn cares enough about this sort of thing.

 

[RdN]

How is such a thing even possible?

Yes.

It was announced yesterday that the Headset adaptar also needs an update to work correctly.

Here are the steps to update the FW on the controller: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/accessories/update-controller-for-stereo-headset-adapter

 

[Curufinwe]

Some dude said TitanFall runs at 792p. But I don't know if it's true or where did he get the information from.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-watch-titanfall-on-xbox-one-at-60fps

Based on some extended edge-counts from the game's stark tutorial section, our best guess right now is that 1408x792 is pretty close to Respawn's chosen rendering resolution. The overall effect is pretty similar to 720p overall though, and the implementation of an overly sharp filter across the entire image suggests that the Xbox One hardware scaler is used to blow up the image to 1080p. We're not exactly impressed by that and, we suspect, neither was DICE - hence the move on Battlefield 4 from Microsoft's scaler to a bespoke software solution between the preview and final code we played.

 

[Alx]

How is such a thing even possible?

They're actually patching the controller drivers, which are software components in the console OS. The controller itself won't change.

 

[JaggedSac]

How is such a thing even possible?

To use the headset adapter, you have to update the controller by plugging it in to the console via a usb cable. But this is most likely on the console OS side.

 

[Mononoke]

Great news. I hope MS patches out the sharpening effect in their scaler. Or at least tone it down.

 

[Frumix]

Can you imagine the noise chamber that was Microsoft throughout 2013? Everything being pulled in different directions, entertainment execs throwing their weight around.. eventually you have to get *something* finished. Just be glad they want to take care of Respawn and that Respawn cares enough about this sort of thing.

Eh, no. Lack of direction isn't my problem, it's Microsoft's.

 

[Anion]

Good news. Finally the ship is moving

Spoiler

(at a faster speed)!

 

[SEGAvangelist]

All right I have no idea what's going on with the upscaler then. So it looks like the upscaler applies when it uses multiple display panes? Or just sub-1080p content? Or sub-1080p content with multiple display panes?

Crytek pretty much used their own software scaler and output the image at 1080p so the XB1 built-in scaler isn't being used. That's all really.

 

[Rebel Leader]

They're actually patching the controller drivers, which are software components in the console OS. The controller itself won't change.

How would drivers "make the analog sticks more precise than before"

I never heard of that.

 

[boeso]

Now patch the bumper buttons

paha

 

[SwiftDeath]

Crytek pretty much used their own software scaler and output the image at 1080p so the XB1 built-in scaler isn't being used. That's all really.

So the MS upscaler is optional then? You can provide your own software upscaler instead?

 

[outsida]

I'm glad it was pointed out to them. I can never get my sens set properly in BF4 properly. Its either too slow or way too twitchy.

 

[miDnIghtEr20C]

So, is this confirmation that Titanfall will be sub-1080p on the Xbox One?

And does this mean that the Titanfall development team thinks that the Xbox 360's sticks are precise enough already?

Damn... games gonna suck now.


Not.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-watch-titanfall-on-xbox-one-at-60fps

Such a weird resolution choice. I'll take it over 720p, though. Just get that scaler working right before launch, and I'm ok with it.

So the MS upscaler is optional then? You can provide your own software upscaler instead?

Yes. BF4 did that too.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Such a weird resolution choice. I'll take it over 720p, though. Just get that scaler working right before launch, and I'm ok with it.

I can't believe they'd go 792p. Probably going to be 720p when it launches

Yes. BF4 did that too.

Ah ok

 

[Doug Heffernan]

They sound almost like an internal MS studio at this point.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft outright bought Respawn.

 

[Nymphae]

They can fix shitty sticks with a patch?

 

[cripterion]

About those pc drivers...

 

[Tripon]

Is that a confirmation that Titanfall is at 720p?

 

[Metalingus5150]

The bump in resolution is the power of kinect not being used maybe?

 

[Alx]

How would drivers "make the analog sticks more precise than before"

I never heard of that.

The driver translates the raw output of the controller into command values. Depending on the way you translate them, you can add or remove sensitivity. There are many precedents of controllers having a big dead zone on their native console and none on PC, because of different drivers.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft outright bought Respawn.

This doesn't sound much different from the early MS/Epic relationship, though. Epic convinced them to launch with double the RAM for 360 if I recall correctly.

 

[Reallink]

So if its 'overly twitchy' now, its sounds like the patch is to increase the deadzone, which will make the controller less precise. If thats an accurate assessment, they're actually downgrading the controller. Remember reduced deadzones was one of the big improvements they pointed to for their next-gen controller.

 

[Nymphae]

The driver translates the raw output of the controller into command values. Depending on the way you translate them, you can add or remove sensitivity. There are many precedents of controllers having a big dead zone on their native console and none on PC, because of different drivers.

Hmm, this still seems weird to me. Usually you adjust that stuff game by game yourself, with sensitivity sliders. Odd that Respawn is changing the sensitivity for everything going forward. I mean if it's a good change, then it's a good change.

 

[Wildarmsjecht]

Regarding the controller, in the adapter thread it was stated that the controller can be updated via manual firmware... Does that open up channels for custom hacks on the controller? Perhaps turbo buttons and the like?

 

[Chobel]

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft outright bought Respawn.

EA won't be happy if they did so.

 

[rokkerkory]

good updates but worrying at the same time

 

[ZeroCDR]

Isn't this something they did on the 360 kinda? I remember being able to adjust the sensitivity under Game Defaults. Should be a feature everybody has, some games have stupid deadzones.

 

[Chobel]

good updates but worrying at the same time

Why?

 

[Doug Heffernan]

EA won't be happy if they did so.

Oh I'm sure Microsoft would be quite happy to stick it to EA after losing Mass Effect.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Wait, did I miss something?

You're telling me this game, running on the source engine , isn't running at 1080p?

What resolution is this running at then?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

http://titanfallblog.com/2014/02/12...on-on-xbox-one-may-increase-with-final-build/

Not sure how reliable this site is, but they claim Abbie Heppe says they could get the resolution up to 900p by the final build. That would be awesome.

Wait, did I miss something?

You're telling me this game, running on the source engine , isn't running at 1080p?

What resolution is this running at then?

It's a heavily modified source engine, though.

 

[rokkerkory]

Why?

Just so much to 'fix' when they should have gotten this right in first place. The Feb/March update includes bunch of things that should be standard because they were on the 360.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Just so much to 'fix' when they should have gotten this right in first place. The Feb/March update includes bunch of things that should be standard because they were on the 360.

For sure. Should be a great update.

 

[Dante316]

Seems Microsoft is pulling out all the stops to make sure Titanfall doesn't leave XBox One in the future.

It'll be interesting to see if they can lock this up - it'd be huge for them with the lack of titles across both new consoles right now.

I do not believe Microsoft can get this as a exclusive franchise. It has to do simply with numbers of ps4 units. They want as many people to play it.

 

[dragonelite]

http://titanfallblog.com/2014/02/12...on-on-xbox-one-may-increase-with-final-build/

Not sure how reliable this site is, but they claim Abbie Heppe says they could get the resolution up to 900p by the final build. That would be awesome.


It's a heavily modified source engine, though.

Im oke with 900p on the X1.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Wait, did I miss something?

You're telling me this game, running on the source engine , isn't running at 1080p?

What resolution is this running at then?

It's like 1400 something x 792 according to that other thread on XB1, 720p on 360 I believe.