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[DarkMage619]

You didn't actually respond to anything I wrote.

It's totally a theme now.

Your posts are always filled with such nonsense.

Ignoring the contents of a post.
Straw man arguments, moving goal posts.
Trying to bend it enough to create a new narrative.
Sad, cringey humour.
Ignorant claims.
Normally there is a SonyToo, but you seem to have spared that on this occasion.

It's all so, so sad.


Well, again, try reading the links I've sent. Where they state using VRS, a feature not apparently using (according to The Dark One). Contents too difficult to swallow?

Which part of the article I linked proves you right and me wrong? I am all ears! Wondering why haven't corrected me yet. At all.

As for the console warring... right now in this discussion, I have never once had a negative thing to say about this plastic box been simply paraphrasing the developers who have complained.

So, console warring? Nope.

Try again with that one.

There is a difference between paraphrasing and saying something myself. I'm not shocked at all that you are unable to spot it.

You probably think that by me quoting some negative developer interviews that I'm the one attacking your little console.

I'm not, the developers are. Deal with it better.

It's not the end of the world.

Keep on carrying that anti-XSS flag bro. Gamers will keep buying the system and complaining devs STILL have an avenue to get help if they can't get their games to run properly. The XSS has MORE features than just VRS. VRS is the same feature you you called out the Dirt 5 and Gears 5 devs used with fantastic results. Thanks again for making that point! There are multiple features that address the XSS's perceived shortcomings and as you've proven all of those features have NOT been used.

There has never been console generation where the first generations of games represented the best a system could offer. With time and consultation any dev having issues will get past those issues and produce great looking games. I hope one day you come to believe the XSS won't be the end of the world for you. Maybe then you can get over whatever grievance you have and go play a game or something.

 

[dcmk7]

Keep on carrying that anti-XSS flag bro. Gamers will keep buying the system and complaining devs STILL have an avenue to get help if they can't get their games to run properly. The XSS has MORE features than just VRS. VRS is the same feature you you called out the Dirt 5 and Gears 5 devs used with fantastic results. Thanks again for making that point! There are multiple features that address the XSS's perceived shortcomings and as you've proven all of those features have NOT been used.

There has never been console generation where the first generations of games represented the best a system could offer. With time and consultation any dev having issues will get past those issues and produce great looking games. I hope one day you come to believe the XSS won't be the end of the world for you. Maybe then you can get over whatever grievance you have and go play a game or something.

Wow. Just wow.

For someone wrong so often, you sure know how to move those goalposts around. And pour even more BS on top of your previous BS.


Your argument was developers who complained didn't use the features. If you remember? Now you're grudgingly admitting that they are using VRS. Saying it in a fashion where you still think you are right though, good heavens

I'm satisfied with that acknowledgment though.

Bring some proof in your next ignorant claim next time. Because I certainly back up my claims.

Those developers who complained were using those features after all.. well who would have thought it. You told me they didn't. I almost believed you too, you are a cheeky one.

Wrong here though.

There has never been console generation where the first generations of games represented the best a system could offer. With time and consultation any dev having issues will get past those issues and produce great looking games. I hope one day you come to believe the XSS won't be the end of the world for you. Maybe then you can get over whatever grievance you have and go play a game or something.

Series S limitations will get worse as generation goes on not better..

Not my words.

Those pesky developers. They said that, don't shoot the messenger. I know you like to blame me for hating.

Going to have to get on that copium again.

 

[THE DUCK]

Don't think it's hard to understand. They sell out even if they take longer then the PS5 or XSX so "fuckers" do in fact want them.

Thank you....... wow..........

 

[THE DUCK]

I'll bite.. Go ahead and show me an example.

You just did it, read your own posts, there's an example.

 

[dcmk7]

You just did it, read your own posts, there's an example.

I expected something like that.

Interestingly can't point to an example.

 

[DarkMage619]

Wow. Just wow.

For someone wrong so often, you sure know how to move those goalposts around. And pour even more BS on top of your previous BS.


Your argument was developers who complained didn't use the features. If you remember? Now you're grudgingly admitting that they are using VRS. Saying it in a fashion where you still think you are right though, good heavens

I'm satisfied with that acknowledgment though.

Bring some proof in your next ignorant claim next time. Because I certainly back up my claims.

Those developers who complained were using those features after all.. well who would have thought it. You told me they didn't. I almost believed you too, you are a cheeky one.

Wrong here though.


Series S limitations will get worse as generation goes on not better..

Not my words.

Those pesky developers. They said that, don't shoot the messenger. I know you like to blame me for hating.

Going to have to get on that copium again.

I admitted that Gears 5 and Dirt 5 used VRS. My point for the 100th time was that COMPLAINING devs were not using the features of the XSS not Codemasters or MS.

The PS3 got better as the generation went on but now for the first time in the history of console gaming a system will get worse with time? To have that level of delusion is crazy. Now who is being disrespectful to developers? You don't think they aren't talented enough to learn the XSS? Sad.

What do I have to cope with sir? I'm not one making ridiculous statements like "Series S limitations will get worse as generation goes on not better." Total fantasy land. I really hope that you take some time to go play a game or something. I hear the XSS provides fantastic value.

 

[THE DUCK]

I expected something like that.

Interestingly can't point to an example.

Why should I, I've already done this too many times on this forum......just bored with it at this point ......though not really your fault I suppose

 

[alabtrosMyster]

Keep on carrying that anti-XSS flag bro. Gamers will keep buying the system and complaining devs STILL have an avenue to get help if they can't get their games to run properly. The XSS has MORE features than just VRS. VRS is the same feature you you called out the Dirt 5 and Gears 5 devs used with fantastic results. Thanks again for making that point! There are multiple features that address the XSS's perceived shortcomings and as you've proven all of those features have NOT been used.

There has never been console generation where the first generations of games represented the best a system could offer. With time and consultation any dev having issues will get past those issues and produce great looking games. I hope one day you come to believe the XSS won't be the end of the world for you. Maybe then you can get over whatever grievance you have and go play a game or something.

Excuses, all consoles at least have something to show-off what they can do.

Is it true that the new xbox plays some ads when you start games? I just saw that, one guy trying to play gears 5 and getting an ad for gears tactics... Slimy.

Anyway, I wouldn't recommend the xss to a friend looking for an xbox under any circumstances, the storage is too small and it doesn't even delivers on the new very reasonable performance target MS puts in their promo.

 

[Kappa]

Dont the series s and x have the same cpu? Not sure why anyone would think the s is holding anything back. If anything needing to develop for consoles instead of pc are holding back video games

 

[yamaci17]

Dont the series s and x have the same cpu? Not sure why anyone would think the s is holding anything back. If anything needing to develop for consoles instead of pc are holding back video games

it's about gpu

developers can target 1080p 60 fps and have breathtaking visuals with series x, but if they do that, then series s would have to render 540p 30 fps, which would be beyond acceptable

series s having less memory also does not help. people act like lower resolutions automatically lower the vram usage. this is not true. people think that graphical options change vram usage a lot. this is also, not true.

there are some games that really do scale with vram, probably out of developers' good intention and optimization. but there are titles out there that will eat 7 gb vram regardless of resolution at mediocre graphical settings, a prime example being "horizon zero dawn".

imagine a developer targeting series x with 12-13 gb vram in mind, and completely designed textures and assets around that value. this means that 7-8 gb vram of series s will be problematic for the developer, because they need to actually put lower res textures, and modified tweaks all by selves, which is extra work

or not: see rdr 2. there's only 1 set of textures and that's ultra, and that consumes 6.5-7 gb even at 1080p.

and guess what, when you set it to "high", it becomes almost "low" like. and it only frees 500 mb. it's probably a generic, very unefficient method of decreasing texture quality with diminishing results (huge visual quality loss for only 500-1000 mb of vram headroom).

so developers will have dilemmas. consoles always had the pleasure of running ultra possible textures. ps4 and xbox games always looked somewhat decent, despite graphical settings or resolution, because they had 8 gb vram, while their equivalent gpus at that time had 2 gb vram.

developers will always want to max out textures with console games. series s presents a challenge for that.

 

[THE DUCK]

You lost me 1080p 60 being the target for series X.. ...

 

[Blade2.0]

Excuses, all consoles at least have something to show-off what they can do.

Is it true that the new xbox plays some ads when you start games? I just saw that, one guy trying to play gears 5 and getting an ad for gears tactics... Slimy.

Anyway, I wouldn't recommend the xss to a friend looking for an xbox under any circumstances, the storage is too small and it doesn't even delivers on the new very reasonable performance target MS puts in their promo.

I don't know about that ad, but forza horizon 4 has unskippable ads for its DLC. Both are about 2 minutes long. I uninstalled the game once that happened to me. I got forza horizon 3 anyways. But it has made me weary of jumping into FH5. And if it starts happening to every game microsoft makes then I'll sell my series x.

Edit: I'm not playing your games to watch ads

 

[Murdoch]

As an XSS owner and Game Pass subscriber, I could not be happier with it.

It is pretty funny seeing threads like this getting so much attention, but when we have games supporting 4K or 1440p, 60 or 120 FPS, even Ray tracing, then suddenly it's not that interesting/impressive. And those negative comments usually come from people that were not going to buy the console in the first place.

About games being 900p or whatever. I guess most of you already forgot that we had first year titles like e.g. Dead Rising 3, Battlefield 4, or Call of Duty Ghosts running at what? 720p on Xbox and 900p on PS4? So, 5 or 7 years later (going by some people's logic) games on those platforms should run at most 480p/30.

Then again, maybe I'm just someone that likes to play games, have fun, and not bother with shitposting or Digital Foundry's analysis.

This is me as well. I actually sold my Series X and bought 'the best 42 inch Panasonic Plasma ever made' to stick my series S on and pocketed the £200 from the difference. I'm running a 4Tb mechanical drive and have over 100+ games installed.

This combination is so much more 'next gen' experience to me than running the Series X on a 4K LED tv on a personal level.

Donkey highlighted something in his recent 'should I buy a ps5' video; most of the best games on PS4 could run on a PS3 console; so the sub native 'comprimised' games everyone is talking about on the series S will make up about 1% of the games available. Seems a bit daft to me

 

[dcmk7]

My point for the 100th time was that COMPLAINING devs were not using the features of the XSS not Codemasters or MS.

The PS3 got better as the generation went on but now for the first time in the history of console gaming a system will get worse with time? To have that level of delusion is crazy. Now who is being disrespectful to developers? You don't think they aren't talented enough to learn the XSS? Sad.

What do I have to cope with sir? I'm not one making ridiculous statements like "Series S limitations will get worse as generation goes on not better." Total fantasy land. I really hope that you take some time to go play a game or something. I hear the XSS provides fantastic value.

Just repeat the same thing over and over again.. without ever responding to my post? How mature.

Remind you of this whole discussion, again, 4a Games' CTO complained that the Series S is difficult.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/metro-studio-says-xbox-series-ss-gpu-presents-challenges-for-its-future-games/amp/

You said none of the developers who complained implemented any of the Series S features, yeah?

Explain this for their upcoming game they have implemented these features: PROOF note VRS, optimised shaders, Raytracing, all the good stuff that can only be done on Series S and above right?

All contrary to what you're saying.

What do I have to cope with sir? I'm not one making ridiculous statements like "Series S limitations will get worse as generation goes on not better." Total fantasy land.

You can't read? The developers said this. The. Developers. They say the limitations will get worse as the generation goes on.

But you actually think I said this?

I wouldn't dream of making an ignorant claim like that, without some evidence, but I know you like to sprout BS without any consideration. Hence this argument

The only thing you've proved is you wish to live your live deluded and to continue lying your way through threads spinning negative Microsoft stories into positives. Doesn't sound healthy to be that fanatical.

But hey, you hid your broken XSX in here, as that would have portrayed Microsoft in a negative light, so it does seem to fit your character. Don't know why would worry about that personally but, hey, guess you just really, really love defending MS. And you don't want to see them get hurt by 'Sony fans'. Which does also explain why you were particularly upset when the Happy Birthday Phil Spencer thread got trolled. Just very, very sensitive to negative Microsoft news. Bless.

Is that why you can't read the proof sent across?

It's not healthy.

I've tried to help, I've bolded the important bits in this post. Maybe you will surprise me and read them this time and start to realise these developers do have a point! Be a refreshing change for the The Dark One.

 

[Kappa]

it's about gpu

That's true. Cant they just scale settings down like a pc tho. Horizon was ps4 only for the longest so makes sense as to why it struggles but most multi Plat games should scale fine no?

 

[ToxicPhantom]

How many times am I going to read this comment?

"they should never of marketed as 1440p"

Some people dont fully understand what the Series S can output.

For video streaming, it can do 4K.

For gaming, 1440, but it's mainly for 1080p. I have my Series S connected to a 1440 monitor and it looks great. I even get the option of 120Hz.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Someone said earlier the 1080/60 claim was for the Forza game they showed 2 seconds after the claim. So they haven't wavered form 1440p (still on their site).

Marketers will always market a product to it's maxed spec, not the common usage.

If a car maxes out at 250 km/hr, they aren't going to promote it as 70 km/hr which is what someone drives down the street in normal use. Even if nobody in history drives at ultra high speed, they will still market it as a 250km/hr car.

Sony did the same thing with Pro. Promoted as a 4k game system and most of the games were 1080/1440p/1800p checkerboarded to 4k.

PS4 Pro | Faster, more powerful & with 4K gaming | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about PS4 Pro from the official PlayStation site. 4K gaming, enhanced performance & HDR technology from the most powerful PS4.

www.playstation.com

 

[DarkMage619]

Just repeat the same thing over and over again.. without ever responding to my post? How mature.

Remind you of this whole discussion, again, 4a Games' CTO complained that the Series S is difficult.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/metro-studio-says-xbox-series-ss-gpu-presents-challenges-for-its-future-games/amp/

You said none of the developers who complained implemented any of the Series S features, yeah?

Explain this for their upcoming game they have implemented these features: PROOF note VRS, optimised shaders, Raytracing, all the good stuff that can only be done on Series S and above right?

All contrary to what you're saying.


You can't read? The developers said this. The. Developers. They say the limitations will get worse as the generation goes on.

But you actually think I said this?

I wouldn't dream of making an ignorant claim like that, without some evidence, but I know you like to sprout BS without any consideration. Hence this argument

The only thing you've proved is you wish to live your live deluded and to continue lying your way through threads spinning negative Microsoft stories into positives. Doesn't sound healthy to be that fanatical.

But hey, you hid your broken XSX in here, as that would have portrayed Microsoft in a negative light, so it does seem to fit your character. Don't know why would worry about that personally but, hey, guess you just really, really love defending MS. And you don't want to see them get hurt by 'Sony fans'. Which does also explain why you were particularly upset when the Happy Birthday Phil Spencer thread got trolled. Just very, very sensitive to negative Microsoft news. Bless.

Is that why you can't read the proof sent across?

It's not healthy.

I've tried to help, I've bolded the important bits in this post. Maybe you will surprise me and read them this time and start to realise these developers do have a point! Be a refreshing change for the The Dark One.

It's not healthy to have such an obsession with a console you clearly don't like. I suggest you not buy it. How many have you convinced that they aren't really happy with their purchase and have made a mistake?

As time goes on developers will get familiar with the the memory saving features of the console and development will get easier just like the PS3. The idea that the X1 lasts over 8 years with support and in fact still gets supported today yet the XSS is 'holding things back' when developers are not using the full suite of features available to them is and will remain laughable. Maybe the X1 is more powerful then. You can tell devs aren't using those features because you would see those features on the XSX. Yes, yes baring Gears 5 and Dirt 5 which uses 1 feature and they didn't complain. Currently most devs are just using their old development techniques. Fits in with old tools argument used against Xbox since this generation started.

You whole concern isn't even sincere seeing how you didn't feel the need to jump in when the X1X was called more powerful than the XSS in another thread. I guess you have to stick to your narrative. So weird to be following me around though. Oh well. I believe Jason Ronald you can believe who ever supports your agenda. We'll see who was right in a few years and normal current gen games come out. I'm looking forward to seeing how MS Flight Simulator looks on the XSS. Who knows maybe MS will come out and announce you were right all along.

 

[THE DUCK]

Besides, didn't you guys know.....shhh.......the ssd expansion is fast enough for an external gpu, xbox series xxxxxxpansion kit. Lol

 

[Panajev2001a]

It's not healthy to have such an obsession with a console you clearly don't like. I suggest you not buy it. How many have you convinced that they aren't really happy with their purchase and have made a mistake?

As time goes on developers will get familiar with the the memory saving features of the console and development will get easier just like the PS3. The idea that the X1 lasts over 8 years with support and in fact still gets supported today yet the XSS is 'holding things back' when developers are not using the full suite of features available to them is and will remain laughable. Maybe the X1 is more powerful then. You can tell devs aren't using those features because you would see those features on the XSX. Yes, yes baring Gears 5 and Dirt 5 which uses 1 feature and they didn't complain. Currently most devs are just using their old development techniques. Fits in with old tools argument used against Xbox since this generation started.

You whole concern isn't even sincere seeing how you didn't feel the need to jump in when the X1X was called more powerful than the XSS in another thread. I guess you have to stick to your narrative. So weird to be following me around though. Oh well. I believe Jason Ronald you can believe who ever supports your agenda. We'll see who was right in a few years and normal current gen games come out. I'm looking forward to seeing how MS Flight Simulator looks on the XSS. Who knows maybe MS will come out and announce you were right all along.

You are really skipping the content of the post and keep on using magic memory saving features which are on both consoles and thus do nothing to close the gap between XSS with 8 GB of memory (slower than either the GPU optimised 10 GB pool and the 6 GB other memory pool...) vs XSX with 16 GB of RAM. XSS's other 2 GB memory pool has Xbox One like bandwidth (less than 70 GB/s).

What features does XSS have to close the gap with XSX? Nothing, it is just the minimum target that games must run on and thus (as multiple developers have already commented on) the target they get designed for and then scaled upwards (see again "minimum specs matter..." comment by the Id dev). As an XSX owner the best bet of XSX being truly maxed would mean XSS owners being delivered a version that runs poorly on their system.

This is not a case of "ask MS, they will help you" and these devs being too proud or stupid. They have designed very complex memory streaming solutions for years (especially Id) and contributed to the specs for both PRT/Tiled Resources and SFS and were briefed by MS on the XSX features and specs before XSS was announced (and likely got the data about XSS before it went public). Months after launch the Control Dev comments echo the Id devs ones.

You are making both the angle that MS is thinking about the poorest of the poor and making a console for them which is the XSS and that this console is not holding back the faster HW at all at the same time, but those are conflicting statements IMHO: if XSX had a digital only 512 GB of storage option at $349 you would be right (and this is $50 more than XSS)... and titles targeting XSX would be incentivised to push the console much harder.
MS designed a great console with the XSX but paired with a target like XSS that can hold it back (or get titles that push XSX to the extreme/are designed around the XSX strengths and do not run well on the XSS... which would suck for XSS owners).

 

[dcmk7]

It's not healthy to have such an obsession with a console you clearly don't like. I suggest you not buy it. How many have you convinced that they aren't really happy with their purchase and have made a mistake?

As time goes on developers will get familiar with the the memory saving features of the console and development will get easier just like the PS3. The idea that the X1 lasts over 8 years with support and in fact still gets supported today yet the XSS is 'holding things back' when developers are not using the full suite of features available to them is and will remain laughable. Maybe the X1 is more powerful then. You can tell devs aren't using those features because you would see those features on the XSX. Yes, yes baring Gears 5 and Dirt 5 which uses 1 feature and they didn't complain. Currently most devs are just using their old development techniques. Fits in with old tools argument used against Xbox since this generation started.

You whole concern isn't even sincere seeing how you didn't feel the need to jump in when the X1X was called more powerful than the XSS in another thread. I guess you have to stick to your narrative. So weird to be following me around though. Oh well. I believe Jason Ronald you can believe who ever supports your agenda. We'll see who was right in a few years and normal current gen games come out. I'm looking forward to seeing how MS Flight Simulator looks on the XSS. Who knows maybe MS will come out and announce you were right all along.

So much typing.

And still haven't even managed to respond to the original point. In your incoherent dribble didn't even acknowledge any point I made at all

Is it because your argument is so weak, that you constantly try and drown my point and all the while attempting move the goal posts? It doesn't appear to be working. Despite all that typing.

Here's my last post.

Just repeat the same thing over and over again.. without ever responding to my post? How mature.

Remind you of this whole discussion, again, 4a Games' CTO complained that the Series S is difficult.
https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/metro-studio-says-xbox-series-ss-gpu-presents-challenges-for-its-future-games/amp/

You said none of the developers who complained implemented any of the Series S features, yeah?

Explain this for their upcoming game they have implemented these features: PROOF note VRS, optimised shaders, Raytracing, all the good stuff that can only be done on Series S and above right?

All contrary to what you're saying.


You can't read? The developers said this. The. Developers. They say the limitations will get worse as the generation goes on.

But you actually think I said this?

I wouldn't dream of making an ignorant claim like that, without some evidence, but I know you like to sprout BS without any consideration. Hence this argument

The only thing you've proved is you wish to live your live deluded and to continue lying your way through threads spinning negative Microsoft stories into positives. Doesn't sound healthy to be that fanatical.

But hey, you hid your broken XSX in here, as that would have portrayed Microsoft in a negative light, so it does seem to fit your character. Don't know why would worry about that personally but, hey, guess you just really, really love defending MS. And you don't want to see them get hurt by 'Sony fans'. Which does also explain why you were particularly upset when the Happy Birthday Phil Spencer thread got trolled. Just very, very sensitive to negative Microsoft news. Bless.

Is that why you can't read the proof sent across?

It's not healthy.

I've tried to help, I've bolded the important bits in this post. Maybe you will surprise me and read them this time and start to realise these developers do have a point! Be a refreshing change for the The Dark One.

You seem to struggling with understanding or is the reality too much for you?

I'll keep it simple. Can you answer this question:

Does the next gen patch for Metro Exodus make use of the Series S features? Such as VRS and Raytracing?

If in doubt - refer to this. Proof.. again

They complained and are using the features.

Something you said was empathetically not true. Is it still not true?

Maybe you should stop worrying about the Series S, since you think it's fine. It's not like you own the box you obviously don't know anything at all about it.

It's sad to see you would rather assume the worse about developers abilities just because they dared to speak out about it being difficult.

Hope you come out of your delusion soon dude.