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[3rdman]

So should we trust this report?

It's hard to read your posts without imagining you fighting back the tears.

 

[Domino Theory]

So $900 million in Halo revenue, offset by $10 billion in moneyhat expenses?

It's all over, sell your Microsofts.

Probably and no.

Stupid.

 

[LJ11]

Microsoft Corporation
Balance Sheets
(In millions)

Seriously, some of you need to stop posting in these threads.

 

[Gahiggidy]

 

[beerbelly]

Microsoft Corporation
Balance Sheets
(In millions)

Isn't Rstein right then?

 

[Natsume]

11.6 + 1.8 = 13.4 million LTD

No, that 11.6 number will have been up to when it was revealed which included a large chuck on the 1.8m or well, some chunk of it.

 

[clashfan]

It's hard to read your posts without imagining you fighting back the tears.

That's just too funny. :lol

 

[Rolf NB]

Do these profits include the money gained from selling Bungie to Bungie? AKA when was that again?

 

[RSTEIN]

Microsoft Corporation
Balance Sheets
(In millions)

:lol

Look at how many zeros are after 10.

If you're going to try to correct someone, please make sure you know more about the subject matter than they do.

 

[Kujo]

11.6 + 1.8 = 13.4 million LTD

Thanks, so LTD numbers for 'sold to retail' are:

PS3 - 5.59 million
Wii - 13.17 million
360 - 13.4 million

 

[Maxwell House]

Am I reading that wrong, or is that $10 million worth of moneyhats?

EDIT: errrr.... I am reading that wrong, thats 10 THOUSAND million worth.

:O[/QUOTE]
Goodwill usually has to do with an acquistion, so I doubt that is moneyhats. If they paid out money for exclusives, it would be reflected in the income statement, and show up as a change in cash or surplus on the balance sheet.

 

[plagiarize]

Isn't Rstein right then?

about goodwill being 10 billion? yes. about that being money hats from the Entertainment division? not remotely.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Do these profits include the money gained from selling Bungie to Bungie? AKA when was that again?

'Also known as'?

That acronym. It does not stand for what you think it stands for.

 

[RSTEIN]

about goodwill being 10 billion? yes. about that being money hats from the Entertainment division? not remotely.

I never said that. I was making fun of people who were saying it.

 

[plagiarize]

I never said that. I was making fun of people who were saying it.

ah yes. just went back and checked that and came here to apologise

 

[squicken]

Wait... are people interpreting their $10 billion in goodwill as moneyhat money? :lol

That's fucking awesome.

So awesome

 

[plagiarize]

am i right in thinking that this proves that the 360 outsold the PS3 to retailers worldwide in that quarter?

 

[Doc Evils]

So awesome

 

[GhaleonEB]

I have 360 shipping history as:

Period	Quarter	2006	2007	2008
Jul-Sep	Q1		0.9	1.8
Oct-Dec	Q2	1.5	4.5	
Jan-Mar	Q3	1.7	0.5	
Apr-Jun	Q4	1.8	0.7	
Total		5	6.6	1.8

LTD 13.4

(Year is fiscal year, not calendar.)

Thanks, so LTD numbers for 'sold to retail' are:

PS3 - 5.59 million
Wii - 13.17 million
360 - 13.4 million

Thanks.

 

[Rolf NB]

'Also known as'?

That acronym. It does not stand for what you think it stands for.

You probably wouldn't believe me if I told you I knew that. I should have used quotation marks.

 

[f@luS]

.

 

[neptunes]

am i right in thinking that this proves that the 360 outsold the PS3 to retailers worldwide in that quarter?

I don't think the "sold to retail" figures have been released yet

but they've reached all their estimates In dollar values

edit: dont pay attention to Gahiggidy

 

[plagiarize]

I don't think sold to retail figures have been released

but they've reached all their estimates In dollar values

i'm referring to the barchart gahiggidy posted. i'm not really sure where he got that from... hence me asking.

 

[sinnergy]

Thanks, so LTD numbers for 'sold to retail' are:

PS3 - 5.59 million
Wii - 13.17 million
360 - 13.4 million

Yes X360 still number one :lol

 

[FrankT]

am i right in thinking that this proves that the 360 outsold the PS3 to retailers worldwide in that quarter?

That's not possible......

Spoiler

yes

Stock is blowing up in AH, haven't seen this kind of run in awhile.

 

[RavenFox]

Considering it would be illegal for MS to flatout, knowingly lie in an earnings report, yes.

Your kidding right? Or am I in the flip dimension of all is well? Companies cheat even on earnings reports buddy oh pal.

 

[RSTEIN]

ah yes. just went back and checked that and came here to apologise

No prob, still waiting for Doc Evils :lol

 

[GhaleonEB]

i'm referring to the barchart gahiggidy posted. i'm not really sure where he got that from... hence me asking.

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/earnings/FY08/earn_rel_q1_08.mspx

PPT link at the top.

Your kidding right? Or am I in the flip dimension of all is well? Companies cheat even on earnings reports buddy oh pal.

Just to be clear, are you accusing MS of releasing bogus earnings data to the public and to the SEC, and if so on what basis?

 

[Shepherd]

Where is the 1.000.000.000 for ROD and others problem?

That was last Quarter.

 

[GashPrex]

i think some folks need to take an accounting class before trying to interpret these results, the ideas about goodwill here are just too funny

and if you think MS is going to fudge their earnings report....well that's just laughable. As long as they consistently record using the same method, there is no problem.

 

[Beer Monkey]

am i right in thinking that this proves that the 360 outsold the PS3 to retailers worldwide in that quarter?

What would be weird about that? We never get real numbers for Europe. Sure, people like to say that PS3 was outselling 360 in Europe for the last few months, but they just pull it out of their ass.

 

[squicken]

Where is the 1.000.000.000 for ROD and others problem?

I know why you posted this, but for those who legitimately need to know the answer to that question, MS took the entire $1B writeoff last year.

 

[RSTEIN]

I know why you posted this, but for those who legitimately need to know the answer to that question, MS took the entire $1B writeoff last year.

Oh, we all know why he posted it. Don't worry

 

[Maxwell House]

am i right in thinking that this proves that the 360 outsold the PS3 to retailers worldwide in that quarter?

I think you are correct. Companies can't lie in their financials (unlike with their PR).

 

[RavenFox]

i think some folks need to take an accounting class before trying to interpret these results, the ideas about goodwill here are just too funny

and if you think MS is going to fudge their earnings report....well that's just laughable. As long as they consistently record using the same method, there is no problem.

Spoiler

Well damn it we arent experts we just hate the man. yeah

 

[GashPrex]

I know why you posted this, but for those who legitimately need to know the answer to that question, MS took the entire $1B writeoff last year.

well unless i am wrong they would have had capitalize that loss over a number of years...

 

[Gahiggidy]

i'm referring to the barchart gahiggidy posted. i'm not really sure where he got that from... hence me asking.

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/FY08/Q1-FY08Slides.ppt


Its shipped numbers. All this proves is that Micorosoft has Managed to stuff the retail channels with an extra millin or so of unsold 360.

 

[chespace]

Pullout in 2008 confirmed.

 

[Maxwell House]

Where is the 1.000.000.000 for ROD and others problem?

I believe MS already booked that loss in 2Q 07.

 

[Doc Evils]

No prob, still waiting for Doc Evils :lol

I noticed the extra numbers now.

 

[plagiarize]

What would be weird about that? We never get real numbers for Europe. Sure, people like to say that PS3 was outselling 360 in Europe for the last few months, but they just pull it out of their ass.

well... unless i'm wrong, this doesn't totally disprove that notion (though it makes it very unlikely) but it does quash the notion that the PS3 has been outselling the 360 globally.

always nice to have hard figures to see where everything really is.

 

[beerbelly]

I believe MS already booked that loss in 2Q 07.

No. MS purposely exempted that to make their earnings look better oh microsoft

 

[Maxwell House]

I believe this quarter will mark the first of many successive quarters to come (as in 3+ years worth) in which MS's gaming division turns a profit.

 

[Richelieu]

Yes X360 still number one :lol

Perhaps in units to stores, but considering how many 360s vs Wiis are sitting on shelves/in back rooms at stores across the U.S. the number in the hands of players is probably favoring Wii.

 

[Maxwell House]

Your kidding right? Or am I in the flip dimension of all is well? Companies cheat even on earnings reports buddy oh pal.

And that would make it illegal. If a company lies in their earnings report, knowingly, it is illegal.

 

[plagiarize]

http://www.microsoft.com/msft/download/FY08/Q1-FY08Slides.ppt


Its shipped numbers. All this proves is that Micorosoft has Managed to stuff the retail channels with an extra millin or so of unsold 360.

i said 'sold to retail'. not sure where you think i didn't understand what the figures were saying. i'm comparing sold to retail with sold to retail.

the figures certainly don't prove that microsoft has managed to stuff retail channels. you'd need figures for sold through as well to prove that, which you don't have.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

And that would make it illegal. If a company lies in their earnings report, knowingly, it is illegal.

And if the auditors don't catch them, its irrelevant.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

i said 'sold to retail'. not sure where you think i didn't understand what the figures were saying. i'm comparing sold to retail with sold to retail.

the figures certainly don't prove that microsoft has managed to stuff retail channels. you'd need figures for sold through as well to prove that, which you don't have.

whoa :lol

are you arguing with gahigs? are you crazy?

 

[Maxwell House]

And if the auditors don't catch them, its irrelevant.

I guess if MS was really sneaky they could hide things from auditors, but why would they take that chance, especially when they are so damn profitable??

The chances that MS is making these numbers up are really, really slim.

 

[plagiarize]

Perhaps in units to stores, but considering how many 360s vs Wiis are sitting on shelves/in back rooms at stores across the U.S. the number in the hands of players is probably favoring Wii.

while i know that wii is selling out the day it gets in, i also know that stores since halo 3 have occasionally been out of stock of premium 360s.

either way, the wii will pass the 360 globally before the end of the year, if it hasn't already.