Windows Store is already flooded with stupid shit
Every store is breh.
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Microsoft Shares Vision for the Future of Windows and Xbox One Game Development
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Every store is breh.
Everything they said the past couple of years have come true. Windows 10 convergence is here. Finally. Everything else falls into place and it's just a matter of time. You randomly saying something doesn't make it true and with no proof it's shitty posting.
More akin to a phone app store than Steam though. If you search for VLC, there are $5 manuals on how to download and install VLC Media Player. Multiple versions of that of varying prices. It's a fucking mess.
Microsoft's expansion is a long-term plan. If they bring AAA games to the store it could become a more serious option for third parties.
Sorry, I disagree. I've been using the store for years (when I had WP) and I use it with Windows 10 quite a bit,and it's fine. Is it perfect and could it use fine tuning? Sure. But it's not the disaster you say it is. At least that's not my opinion of it.
Now Android was a cluster fuck, but it's gotten better the past couple of years. Still not Apple level, but then again nobody is. Yet.
Prove me wrong that Windows Store is the biggest ecosystem or whatever then which was what MS said in those statements or am i reading it wrong?
"◦Enable partners to target the largest gaming ecosystem in the industry."
i dont like or trust them and they need to prove me wrong in the next years, lets wait and see.
This thread has really devolved into fanboy wars.
The Windows 10 store is serious business. Keep it civil, guys.
The Windows 10 store is serious business. Keep it civil, guys.
Absolutely not true anymore...they cleaned up a lot of that on the store...if you search for vlc you only get the real vlc app now
EDIT: For example here is the search for media player...all real apps not spam or trick apps
That's fine that you disagree, but your comparisons to the Apple App Store and Google Play Store are the reason I don't want it.
I don't want a mobile phone storefront on my PC. It's ripe for abuse. Microsoft hasn't proven to anyone that they can control it.
I just took this screenshot after searching VLC 30 seconds ago. Please explain why there are $3 manuals for downloading and installing VLC Media Player. This is shit I'd expect on a mobile phone app store.
With everything in those bullet points you are hung up on this? It depends how you define it. Of course it's mostly marketing. That's what companies do. Xbox Live will be on every single Windows 10 machine built in and that's probably gonna be close to a billion people. So that is a big eco system. Companies word shit all the time to make it sound amazing.
Then don't use it. Nobody is forcing you. I actually have had no problems and I like it.
Choices my man.
Future PhaZe
Member
gsync'd halo 5 port with crossplay
MS plssss
MS plssss
That's fine that you disagree, but your comparisons to the Apple App Store and Google Play Store are the reason I don't want it.
I don't want a mobile phone storefront on my PC. It's ripe for abuse. Microsoft hasn't proven to anyone that they can control it.
I just took this screenshot after searching VLC 30 seconds ago. Please explain why there are $3 manuals for downloading and installing VLC Media Player. This is shit I'd expect on a mobile phone app store.
Yeah that isn't windows 10...search has changed a lot in the new version
Also none of those apps are abusive...they all say "vlc guide". The dev can choose to ask however much they want to. I don't see your point.
Also its time to upgrade
The problem is Microsoft owns the OS and the storefront. If they really wanted to, they could lock EVERYONE that uses Windows to their shitty Store.
There's an enormous risk for abuse on Microsoft's part here. Unfortunately gaming on Unix hasn't taken off yet so there aren't many alternatives :/
With apps like that on the store, there is a potential for abuse. It's crapware. It's shit I see on sites like Softpedia and Download.com. And it's tied to my OS.
And no, I'm quite content with 8.1 seeing as there are still driver issues and some game issues with Win 10. I don't need to upgrade my OS to stay on top of shit when mine currently works just fine.
Continue to defend Microsoft's lack of QC though, please.
i still dont like companies faking things, no matter who does it.
i rather they keep it real and let their work to all the talk.
What they are saying is that the UWP API can be used to target multiple platforms and multiple store fronts. So they are advertising it as a way to target a massive chunks of the market all at once.
With regards to the size of the Win10 store ecosystem, the store is preloaded on every new Windows device. There are over 200million users running win10 PCs as we speak. They are highlighting the size of their installed base because the chance to reach that many customers would be an attractive proposition.
speedomodel
Member
I just took this screenshot after searching VLC 30 seconds ago. Please explain why there are $3 manuals for downloading and installing VLC Media Player. This is shit I'd expect on a mobile phone app store.
Because some people may actually want to know that information?
JayhawkerStL
Banned
Pretty much this.
I do think there is still great potential for a console that delivers a wide array of experiences, from gaming to communication to media steaming. The living room is still a perfect hub for such a device.
While PCs are more flexible and will most certainly always be the source of new innovations, the mass market will still crave a plug and play device that does this within a walled garden of dependable apps.
My wife loves Dragon Ag and streaming Netflix. Without a plug and play box, she never does either of these, ever. She has zero desire to sit in front of a computer, and I have zero desire to hook a PC up to my TV and teach her how to take advantage of its flexibility.
In fact, I have many friends and family members that this applies to. I think the XB1 generally failed to be the device for the mass market, but Microsoft craves to be the middle man for all of this tech. We also rent and buy movies and TV shows from Microsoft.
I still maintain that this really is a way to suck PC users over to the convenience of a media box. And for as poor of a job that Microsoft has done so far, Windows positions them to still market to a broad spectrum of users. They are certainly farther along than Steam. And while Sony is winning the war of game consoles, Microsoft is probably still better positioned to be the hub of a broad spectrum of users.
I think they need to release a full featured DVR that won't be able to play most games, but can deliver a better gaming experience than Apple TV, which is doing the same thing. Instead of a Windows Media Player, just be the DVR everyone wants when they cut the cord. They beat Apple by including a DVR, and they beat Sony by still making money off of non-gamers.
Then let the XB1 be the flagship device that also delivers gaming on par with PCs, but still be the plug and play experience that the masses tend to prefer.
SneakersSO
Member
Highlllly doubtful that this'll happen. There is just no reason to. Major 3rd parties have outlets to reach consumers. Steam, Origin, UPlay, GoG, w/e - all outlets with extremely large user bases, all support selling Win32 versions of their games. The only outlier here, Windows Store, requires you to create a different version of your game that requires a bit of extra work.
What MS wants to do is take their console userbase, and make them seem like Windows Store users, so that they can sell the illusion of having a traveled marketplace in an effort to court the real developers they need for the Windows Store - app software developers, who currently do not target Windows Store & W10, preferring iOS & Android by default.
I assume the issue is charging someone for free info. Or free info thats easily available.
Kind of like eBay info auctions or those last night infomercials where ppl sell information thats available for free. One big example is buying houses dirt cheap. Most of that info is free from your local state tax office: Foreclosures or Tax Sale auctions. Or just knowing what the word Foreclosure means and going thru a real estate agency.
SneakersSO
Member
No publisher would prefer it. Its not a convenient build to make at all. It goes against the currently implemented development pipeline most publishers have in place at their dev houses. There are no features it offers, especially in terms of stability, that PC devs don't get elsewhere without giving up the things UWPs require you to do.
Love the honesty 💕
MS has a long way to go before the store is considered worthy. Not to mention PC gamers aren't too hot on their current restrictions. But if they really want this to work and they start by listening to feedback and adjusting accordingly while also putting their 1st party content up then I might buy a few games. Right now outside of their 1st part stuff I just don't have a reason to visit their store over the other options.
SneakersSO
Member
There is no fucking way, even with the most ridiculous haphazard reinterpretation methods they have afforded themselves (including 360 & X1 users as Windows Store users, including all W10 users as Windows Store users), are they able to say that they are a larger gaming ecosystem than Steam. Thats just a flat out lie, and they deserve to be called out on it.
Agree that it takes some mental mathmatics to include everyone, but I don't think it's hard to believe that
All Win10 users + All Win 8 users + all X1 Users + all 360 users > All Users who have Steam Installed
And its a way to get console players to PC.
And its a way to get tablet/surface players to console.
And its a way to get phone players to PC.
Its to get people to play however and where ever they prefer to play. Thats been the story from the beginning.
SneakersSO
Member
But the vast majority of those Win8/Win10 users aren't gaming, and shouldn't be included when trying to discuss the reach of your gaming landscape. Thats supremely dishonest.
Who develops the OS most PC gamers use? I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft, but its not much of a stretch that they consider "Windows" their ecosystem. In that mode of thinking, most Steam users could be included in that count.
It should be more like a Steam hardware survey and what users are actually doing.
Win 10 Store VLC search for comparison.
The store has improved to a passable state. MS needs to do better still if they really want it to take off.
SneakersSO
Member
Who develops the OS most PC gamers use? I'm not a huge fan of Microsoft, but its not much of a stretch that they consider "Windows" their ecosystem. In that mode of thinking, most Steam users could be included in that count.
Absolutely, no question about that. But they are making this claim when trying to discuss the reach of their actual store, a store that is intended to be an app store really. This is mental gymnastics.
No doubt...the store is not what you would call good right now.. My understanding from leaks and so forth is that when they united the stores for Redstone, they will be doing the big change in design and function. This is why the store has looked the same on win 10 since first beta with no changes other than perf
I think it's not my place or yours to decide what "stupid shit" is.
Do not touch my 10000 fart apps!
I'm here to defend the right to publish as many fart apps as you want.
Also, the right to filter that and show me curated lists of better farting apps if I want. Pretty much like Apple does.
Ol No Bones
Banned
Discoverability is a big deal. Platform holders should protect devs and consumers by having some standards. I think everybody agrees with that to some degree or another.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Does this mean they are getting out of the console business?
I don't understand much from the OP. I dont understand this Windows initiative, and what the advantage/point of it is. I thought developers always had the choice to develop games for PC, or console.
I don't understand much from the OP. I dont understand this Windows initiative, and what the advantage/point of it is. I thought developers always had the choice to develop games for PC, or console.
I've never said anything about discoverability.
Pushing titles that you are more likely to be interested, have better reviews etc etc are all fundamental. I don't think that goes against what I said. I think every game should be given a chance instead of a platform holder putting up a big barrage saying "you can't come in" right up front.
It means that they don't have to make a special box that's just for Xbox.
It wouldn't really matter if it's Dell or Microsoft making a Windows 10 Multimedia computer for your TV just like it don't really matter if it's Dell or Microsoft making a Windows 10 tablet.
You can get the one that you like.
Bits N Pieces
Member
You both really need to try and untwist your knickers, I think the lack of blood circulation is affecting your ability to think rationally and results in these angry (over nothing) posts.
So are they getting out of the console business?
They can still make a new box called Xbox Two.
inpHilltr8r
Member
This will save some teams nearly a month of engineer time. GGMS!
I'm glad someone gets it.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Man its amazing what losing one console generation does to the backing of the parent company. simply amazing.
It's not dishonest at all. There's no telling how many people will choose to use their PC to play a game at some point. Whether it be Words with Friends or World of Warcraft.
There's no telling what a how a particular user will use any platform. But the more users on the platform, they more likely a dev is to find an audience. Are you suggesting that developers (the people who this message is targeted to) are being confused by this comment?
I wouldn't put this all on that. They also have a new CEO who has fundamentally changed Microsoft and the way they operate.
According to a Forbes contributor Gears 4 is coming to PC, maybe this is part of the next wave of UWP games to hit the store.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/03/17/its-time-for-microsoft-to-bring-all-the-halo-games-to-pc/#17c581736162
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/03/15/gears-of-war-4-multiplayer-beta-coming-this-april/#1bb63af3a46f
The writer is mistaken though, PC version has not been confirmed, only teased.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/03/17/its-time-for-microsoft-to-bring-all-the-halo-games-to-pc/#17c581736162
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/03/15/gears-of-war-4-multiplayer-beta-coming-this-april/#1bb63af3a46f
The writer is mistaken though, PC version has not been confirmed, only teased.