Neuromancer
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Great video, very well made and persuasive. I'll do my part.
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#Miiquality | Bringing same-sex relationships to Nintendo's Tomodachi series
- Thread starter Tyeforce
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As long as Miis don't have a sexual preference setting on a global level (set by the owner of the Mii during the creation process), which is never going to happen, it's as likely as hell freezing over. Not as an update, not in a sequel. If there's ever a sequel, it's more likely that they won't localize it or remove relationships altogether.
Neon_Icarus
Member
PlumCantaloupe
Member
That is too bad the Youtube video got flagged ... silly policies make it so easy to remove content someone doesn't agree with. At least Vimeo works.
They'll be releasing Bayonetta 2 this year. I think they're ready.
What does Bayonetta 2 have to do with furthering LGBTQ equality in games? I'm a trans person and I don't see the connection.
Neon_Icarus
Member
Sorry. Just meant to say that Bayonetta 2 is about as far away from 'Disney values' as possible.
It's not like Nintendo is quite there with Disney anyway. Most of the translated Fire Emblem's have had more or less ambivalent same sex relationships, guys can wear skirts in AC etc...And they've never been the puritanical entity in Japan that they were in the US.
They'll just need a good push and they'll roll in the right direction. Eventually.
Seriously?
Unfortunately that does show Nintendo would need balls of steel to do something like this. There would be "Nintendo are teaching our kids to be gay!!!!1!!!111" articles from idiots everywhere.
It's the sentiment that allowing the option to label yourself as gay or not gay that's more important about this movement I feel.
It'd be pretty neat if Nintendo could do something like this, especially since Mother 3 has somewhat set a kind of precedent with showing a level of comfort-ability with issues such as being transgender. But yeah as some have said, the game's done. And it'd be rather weird if they added the "gay-relationship-premium DLC" or patch update denoting a change like that.
I see where you're coming from but Nintendo is not really a "roller", as you implied. They usually drag their feet on any modernization issue and only make changes when they are basically hit in the face by market forces. This is not limited to just social issues (not reporting conflict minerals, internal audits of working conditions only as opposed to external ones) but also on their hardware (account systems, online integration) as well.
Neon_Icarus
Member
True, just saying that in this case, 'the rock may not be as far away from the decline' as people might think.
I don't believe NCL would be very strongly opposed to having LGBTIQ representation in games like Tomodachi Life (at least in the Western versions of the game). Most likely the possibility never even occured to them, LGBTIQ rights hardly 'being a thing' in Japan.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Disney, especially through it's Parks division, has been one of the strongest corporate supporters of legal benefits for same-sex partners and legal marriage for same-sex partners. Additionally they have depicted LBGT relationships on TV (both on Disney channel and through Disney-affiliated characters appearing on Once Upon a Time).
The issue with Nintendo wouldn't be NoA, it would be NCL as Japan has significantly more proscriptive gender roles and less of an organized social movement fighting for LBGT equality, dignity, and visibility.
I'm glad they're pointed forward on some social issues. A shame they're in the shit on a lot of other things pertaining to consumer relations, game stability, and talent acquisition.
So, YouTube got back to me...
What the hell?! =( This isn't fair at all... There's no reason why the video should have been taken down. They didn't even give a specific reason for why it was flagged! What can I do from here?! I don't believe I can submit another appeal... This really sucks. =/ I mean, I've got the video on Facebook and Vimeo for the time being, but neither of those are as ideal as YouTube for something like this.YouTube said:
Robin64
Member
That's absolutely ridiculous.
perhaps replace the music and video? Using flipped image stills in place of the video could work and there's a lot of royalty free music. And you could link to the real video in the description/annotations.
I don't understand why they would take the video down for that, though. I've never heard of YouTube taking down videos with Nintendo content in them, only disabling monetization for those videos. I suppose I could try to edit it and upload it again...but I think they can ban my account if I upload another video that gets flagged again. =/
It's three strikes, I believe. But you'd probably be playing with fire, and I'd probably create a new account just for this movement.
Ask for clarification about which guidelines were violated. There's plenty of pro-LGBTQ videos on Youtube so I don't think that's the problem. It could be because of the Nintendo Direct footage you included. Posting your own footage of you playing a Nintendo game is one thing, but copying is another thing.
SuperSonic1305
Member
Sounds like a click bait article in the making
Same sex marriage a "glitch" according to Nintendo.
Having worked for Disney for a short time a year or so ago, they at least provide benefits for LGBT couples in a way few other US companies do.
I would ask but there doesn't seem to be any way to contact YouTube directly about this. If anyone knows of any kind of contact form that I can use or anything that would be great.
I'll probably end up trying this...
Robin64
Member
It was definitely a glitch because it would lead to bad things happening to your save file. Same sex marriage was only one aspect of the bigger picture.
Though wanting it properly implemented for a patch or a sequel is definitely not asking too much.
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Not to be mean but you're seriously thinking a company like Nintendo will do this? Of all the companies in the world? They censored a fucking non-naked butt on Fire Emblem, of all things. I support this for people who is interested, but again, is Nintendo. My best wishes and I hope you can get something out of this.
Neon_Icarus
Member
The so-called sensoring was most likely just them wanting a certain age rating for FE. If they're willing to release Bayonetta 2 worldwide, I doubt showing a bit of ass is a problem for them.
BRocknRolla
Member
Sounds like a great idea! As ridiculous and playful as the game seems, it seems really silly to not allow same-sex relationships. Let people play it how they want! (And if it leads to weird moments like men having babies, who cares? Make same-sex a toggle in the options at the start of the game so if people want to avoid those strange glitches, they have the option.)
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
It was DLC.
Adam_Roman
Member
The thing is, it'd be a relatively easy thing to add in, and it would make a lot of people much more excited for the game, as well as being a great way to spread the word about the game. The biggest piece of work they'd have to do is change it from a female Mii being pregnant, to them adopting a kid or something.
Neon_Icarus
Member
Does it matter? Nintendo most likely had the DLC ready to be rated with the core game.
Even if it does, who cares? This isn't for the people who would be offended by allowing same-sex couples in the game so why should they care?
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Well, you are talking about the same ESRB that rated T two Neptunia games.
Neon_Icarus
Member
Never played those. In any case, if they remove the sexual imagery from Bayonetta 2, I guess you're right, they do like their censorship.
Why do people keep saying this?
The Sims has been out for over 13 years with 3 different main series entries, each one allowing same sex relationships and there has been little or none revolting or uproar over it. This game is essential Mii Sims so I see no reason why it'd be such a big deal.
It's a game aimed at children. I wouldn't mind, I have no problem with homosexuality. Unfortunately, a lot of less educated people do, and as repeatedly shown they are very vocal, especially when their children are confronted with this.
Hey man, how do you see out of your right eye? Your hair gets in the way!
I love the message. The game looks to be absolutely uninteresting to myself because those sorts of games are not my kind of jazz, but your arguments about the game ring reasonable to my ears. I would at least hope for a response from Nintendo.
I love the message. The game looks to be absolutely uninteresting to myself because those sorts of games are not my kind of jazz, but your arguments about the game ring reasonable to my ears. I would at least hope for a response from Nintendo.
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
It's because Sims isn't generally seen as something for kids, so crazy parents don't pay it any mind. When Nintendo puts out a product, it's expected to be only the most wholesome entertainment, like a Disney movie (Disney may a big proponent of LGBT rights, but they still probably wouldn't be seen directly referring to same-sex marriage in one of their movies). There would definitely be backlash with it.
Regardless, I hope Nintendo hears you out, OP.
Oppo
Member
I dunno, Microsoft and Ubisoft have pretty good policies too.
I actually didn't even notice that my hair was covering my eye like that until after I had finished recording. XD
Thanks again for your support, everyone!! I truly appreciate everyone's efforts and it makes me so happy to see that so many other people are in support of this movement!
LouieGeetoo
Member
Finally watched the video. Very well done! I feel like NoA is paying attention more and more to this kind of speaking about through social media, so it's a good strategy to try and right this wrong.
Tyeforce, you should tweet the first tweet again (which nicely summarizes the movement), but with the new Vimeo link instead so it's easily retweetable; then you've totally got my retweet. (That's a lot of tweet in one sentence...)
Tyeforce, you should tweet the first tweet again (which nicely summarizes the movement), but with the new Vimeo link instead so it's easily retweetable; then you've totally got my retweet. (That's a lot of tweet in one sentence...)
Freezie KO
Banned
Tyeforce looks just like his Mii. Good luck with the campaign.
Robin64
Member
People honestly think they are protecting their kids and it's really difficult to argue with parenting that stems from that desire. While I would personally have no problem with my kids seeing this aspect of the world, I can respect that many do, even if I don't like it. And it's going to take a while for attitudes to change.
Also.
He really does. It's remarkable how much people can look like their Miis. I look very little like mine!
NoirVisage
Banned
honest response and the fact of the matter. People care, even people who would not have cared otherwise and have no business caring would care, Nintendo more than likely will not budge on this, and will opt not to bow to pressure to change their "world".
MrSaturn99
Member
That's really shitty news, Tyeforce. I hope your campaign works even if Youtube isn't in the picture.