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Miyamoto checks out the oculus rift

Seems unlikely?

Even if Oculus revolutionizes home gaming, Miyamoto's games invented home gaming.


... I want Metroid Prime VR.

GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

VR is a tech that will extend beyond gaming - in that sense, Palmer (and to a lesser extent his team) will be known beyond gaming.

And Miyamoto didn't invent goddamn anything. I mean, except for some legendary gaming IPs, but he didn't 'invent home gaming'.
 
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i bet he's a strict guy.

Jesus...lol.
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

VR is a tech that will extend beyond gaming - in that sense, Palmer (and to a lesser extent his team) will be known beyond gaming.

And Miyamoto didn't invent goddamn anything. I mean, except for some legendary gaming IPs, but he didn't 'invent home gaming'.

Notch and Cliffy B for life yo, i don't know who this old asian guy is anyways
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

VR is a tech that will extend beyond gaming - in that sense, Palmer (and to a lesser extent his team) will be known beyond gaming.

And Miyamoto didn't invent goddamn anything. I mean, except for some legendary gaming IPs, but he didn't 'invent home gaming'.

Even if the general public does not know his name, they know his creations, namely Mario and Donkey Kong. And as someone who went to school for Game Arts, Miyamoto's work was required studies.

VR is a tech, but outside Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, no one in the general public knows the names of the people who make their techs. So, they would be in the same boat as Miyamoto in that regard.
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

VR is a tech that will extend beyond gaming - in that sense, Palmer (and to a lesser extent his team) will be known beyond gaming.

And Miyamoto didn't invent goddamn anything. I mean, except for some legendary gaming IPs, but he didn't 'invent home gaming'.

And VR wasn't invented by Oculus either.

This is a really silly comparison. People love Miyamoto and he's a living legend, there's no point in comparing him to what people bet VR will be in 20 years.
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

Maybe not, but being a legend only in the gaming world does not make him less of a star. I mean, GAF talks mainly about games, right? :p

That guy is behind in a lot of best-selling, critically-acclaimed, and most influential games in history of gaming.
 
Even if the general public does not know his name, they know his creations, namely Mario and Donkey Kong. And as someone who went to school for Game Arts, Miyamoto's work was required studies.

VR is a tech, but outside Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, no one in the general public knows the names of the people who make their techs. So, they would be in the same boat as Miyamoto in that regard.

Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Wozniak, Alan Turing, Gordon Moore, Steve Ballmer...

Could keep going on. But suffice it to say, Miyamoto is gaming's biggest name. But VR goes beyond gaming. That's all.
 
Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Wozniak, Alan Turing, Gordon Moore, Steve Ballmer...

Could keep going on. But suffice it to say, Miyamoto is gaming's biggest name. But VR goes beyond gaming. That's all.

You're missing the point. Go up to a random person on the street, and I'll bet they don't know any of them besides Zuckerberg. I have a lot of friends that are strictly Apple fans who don't know who Steve Wozniak is
 
This is a stupid discussion.

People invent stuff all the time, who invented the cell phone? But, but... it changed the world. Who invented the iPod? It wasn't Steve Jobs. Who invented the color TV? Hell, who invented the TV?

I rest my case.


People get to be known and recognized need to have two things going for them:

1. Keep being influential - Miyamoto is not known for having done Donkey Kong 1981 and packed up shop, no, he's influential because he's doing games until now and never dropped hugely when it comes to quality. Dude's been on a streak for 35 years, he's no fluke, and he worked damn hard for it. Like they said of James Brown Miyamoto might be the the hardest working man in the gaming business (unlike John Romero), he delves with every part of the product, software and all it's intrincacies, hardware, marketing... Nothing is really out of his turf, when it comes to gaming he's the full package, and not a lot of people can boast they're the full package, hence there are not a whole lot of Miyamotos, there can't be even if we looked outside of gaming which is why one usually says Miyamoto is like Miyazaki of Gaming, Steven Spielberg of gaming, Walt Disney of gaming. Because he really is. Those are all timeless artisans too which is my queue to say gaming is a newer form of art that suffers from inferiority complexes and is still being defined in a lot of senses, but what we have now we owe a lot to miyamoto, if game directors are recognized these days Miyamoto was the first, it wasn't even a career path before and dude's been a roadwarrior for it. Occulus rift is just hardware, and although Miyamoto also contributed to hardware several times he is not getting remembered for that, he is being remembered by emotions and feelings his products engraved into several generations of people by now.

2. They have a vision, and their vision doesn't end in one thing. Miyamoto tried and tried again lots of things over the years, if something didn't work he'd try again and again in a timely manner until it was ready or gained form, he wanted to do multiplayer on Mario 64, he wanted to make Mii's since the NES, and lots of other examples. that's vision right there because they eventually materialized into something. John Carmack on the Occulus Rift is also one of those dudes, he's influential, but dude knows about cars, rocket science, programming shit and pretty much everything and has interests outside. He's a genius, so is Miyamoto but above all, he managed to contribute in a lot of things across the years, which if he was just a dude that can do programming he wouldn't unless he was ordered to, he's also very articulate, Miyamoto although not really an english speaker also has that trait in which he can convey his ideas very well onto words and be consistent, he has that kind of vision and clarity. It's that simple. It's not just being there.


Anyone else not known yet who can be a force to be reckoned in the future? Well, that's a bet as any other, they might just drop out of the map if their contribution comes down to being just this. Yes, they were part of the cog that made this go forward, but that doesn't give them a place in Time magazine cover.

Miyamoto is awfully closer to that than they'll probably ever be. Remember Miyamoto placed first on 2008 time magazine reader's poll for the most influential person to which he was nominated multiple times, he was knighted by the french, received a BAFTA and was awarded with a prince of the asturias award - no other gaming person gets voted for popularity on broad daylight and wins. He needs to prove nothing at this point, yet he's still here. Those dudes have nothing on him, and no I'm not gushing over a man.


Occulus rift dudes have to prove they aren't a sinking ship following Facebook acquisition and will have to withstand Sony trying their hand at it other companies that'll surely jump on that boat as soon as it's ripe like Creative, Mad Catz and Samsung, and probably Google and Apple via wearable shit. Perhaps Nintendo and Microsoft as well, this is a new Blue Ocean or at least a mirage of it, it won't get anywhere with Occulus Rift and Facebook alone. Even if sure, they were influential in getting the ball rolling.

But if it wasn't them someone would eventually, Carmack was already doing his own assembling bits and pieces exercise on parallel and lots of companies were doing R&D on it, Nintendo has had patents on this for decades, as does Sony, they didn't wake up to the possibilities now.


Remember Commodore? ceased to be influential in 2 years time. Stuff changes very quickly with technology and I reached for a gaming example, I could have said Nokia on the phone field, or Kodak on the camera business. Shit that a few years ago you'd say wouldn't go anywhere in 50 years.

Getting to be redundant is a lot easier for any dude at Occulus than it is for Miyamoto.
I have a lot of friends that are strictly Apple fans who don't know who Steve Wozniak is
Are they fans of paying a lot for stuff they know nothing about?

Not my definition of fan, that's like a fan of starwars not knowing about someone really important who participated in making the things they love a reality.


Plus even Nintendo fans known about Wozniak because dude was Nintendo Power Tetris highscore worst nightmare.
 
Pretty crazy if he only tried one just now. Kojima, Ueda and even Sakurai tried it before him. Like how secluded do you have to be?
 
This is a stupid discussion.

People invent stuff all the time, who invented the cell phone? But, but... it changed the world. Who invented the iPod? It wasn't Steve Jobs. Who invented the color TV? Hell, who invented the TV?

I rest my case.


People get to be known and recognized need to have two things going for them:

1. Keep being influential - Miyamoto is not known for having done Donkey Kong 1981 and packed up shop, no, he's influential because he's doing games until now and never dropped hugely when it comes to quality.

2. They have a vision, and their vision doesn't end in one thing. John Carmack on the Occulus Rift is one of those dudes, he's influential, but dude knows about cars, rocket science, programming shit and pretty much everything. He's a genious, so is Miyamoto.


Anyone else not known yet who can be a force to be reckoned in the future? Well, that's a bet as any other, they might just drop out of the map if their contribution is just this. Yes, they were part of the cog that made this go forward, but that doesn't give them a place in Time magazine cover.

Miyamoto is awfully closer to that than they'll probably ever be. Remember Miyamoto placed first on 2008 time magazine reader's poll for the most influential person. He needs to prove nothing at this point, yet he's still here.

Occulus rift dudes have to prove they aren't a sinking ship following Facebook acquisition.

These are fair points.

Anyway, I'll let it drop - the conversation basically evolved from the idea that these guys would be star struck.

Not impossible, but the point I was making was simply, they've already meet and interact with a fair number of legends and titans of gaming and computing industry.

And they're quietly confident that they're onto the biggest thing since the internet itself.
 
Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Wozniak, Alan Turing, Gordon Moore, Steve Ballmer...

Could keep going on. But suffice it to say, Miyamoto is gaming's biggest name. But VR goes beyond gaming. That's all.

I can say, with confidence, that a vast majority of people who use one of Page's and Brin's products do not know who they are.
 
You'd think so, but you'd also think Kojima would have had time to play GTAV by now.

I bet he probably had a peon play it for him, while he sat behind him, daring him to smile.

Like they do their opposition research in controlled environment, but go to shows and look stoic, or like they're trying to do zen battle meditation or something.
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?

VR is a tech that will extend beyond gaming - in that sense, Palmer (and to a lesser extent his team) will be known beyond gaming.

And Miyamoto didn't invent goddamn anything. I mean, except for some legendary gaming IPs, but he didn't 'invent home gaming'.

Miyamoto didn't invent home gaming. What the heck are you talking about. He made seminal contributions to gaming including popularizing home consoles... but inventing home gaming?...

What is this. Revisionist history?

Edit: Oops, I didn't mean to quote you Zaptruder, but the person you quoted.
 
History will remember the pioneers at Oculus more so then it'll remember Miyamoto.
They're already forgotten. They sold their place in the history books to Facebook for cash and stock. If VR goes mainstream, "Sony" and "Facebook" are the names most people will remember as having started it. Who who engineered the analogue stick? I'm not sure, but I know who used it to redefine video gaming.

Miyamoto might not be a name a lot of people outside of the video game industry know, but he'll be remembered for as long as gaming exists. 2D gaming runs off of the playbook Miyamoto wrote. Hell, most of modern 3D gaming runs off of the playbook Miyamoto wrote. The man basically defined gaming as we know it. You can say whatever you like about Nintendo - I haven't bought their home consoles since the Nintendo 64 - but Miyamoto is a living legend.
 
Yeah, I saw Miyamoto in the Nintendo Booth. Passed by Reggie. Said Hi to Adam Boyes in the Morpheus booth. Glanced back at Brohei Broshida. Shook hands with John Smedley.

Lots of stars at E3. Kinda surreal.
 
GAF really overstates Miyamoto's star status. I mean, outside of gaming circles, do people really know him?.
Yes
This was just in reddit today.(This picture was also posted on GAF).
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2802ta/what_gaming_is_all_about/
One of the comments talks about having an article about him in this year SAT(More than 1M people take them each year.)

This is the Article:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/20/101220fa_fact_paumgarten?currentPage=all
 
Yes
This was just in reddit today.(This picture was also posted on GAF).
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2802ta/what_gaming_is_all_about/
One of the comments talks about having an article about him in this year SAT(More than 1M people take them each year.)

This is the Article:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/12/20/101220fa_fact_paumgarten?currentPage=all

These links are cute and all... but they don't really counter the point I'm making. After all, I can reference many more links about all the figures I reeled off the top of my head.
 
Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Wozniak, Alan Turing, Gordon Moore, Steve Ballmer...

Could keep going on. But suffice it to say, Miyamoto is gaming's biggest name. But VR goes beyond gaming. That's all.


Say those names to people on the street and I bet most of them won't know who you are talking about. Then, ask them who Mario or Donkey are. Or, ask them do they know Wii Sports.
 


Pretty much. Its ridiculous to pretend noone is aware of him outside of gaming. Thats not anywhere near true.

These links are cute and all... but they don't really counter the point I'm making. After all, I can reference many more links about all the figures I reeled off the top of my head.

Add those links to the links in jres post and go ahead and pretend that the list is unimpressive.

Stop playing around here.. the man was knighted. Its safe to say he is waaaaay more known than the people that started Oculus for christs sake. I revere Carmack, but the only one above even him is Miyamoto. The rest of the guys working on Oculus, sans Zuck arent even in the same territory. Its not even close.

You keep saying VR goes beyond gaming, but it doesn't even go beyond game shows like E3 right now.... Maybe if Oculus strikes it massive in the next 20 years there will be a comparison, but its mountain versus a molehill right now. VR hasn't done a damn thing yet; Miyamoto has for 3+ decades and counting... Pump the brakes bro.
 
Fucking hell, Bill Trinen bowed in reflex and he doesnt spend that much time with Shiggy and is not even japanese!
I have several theories about the relationship between Bill and Shiggy:

1) Shiggy as we perceive him is the astral projection of some ancient shambling darkness. Bill is merely a brainwashed human, synced with his master.

2) Shiggy is a witch, and Bill is his familiar.

3) Bill is well-versed in Japanese culture.

Leaning toward 1) or 2), personally.
 
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