Trevelyan9999
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I wonder why the quick turnaround for this new Pikmin? Usually a new Miyamoto game in a AAA franchise means new gameplay ideas, which makes me think NX and it's interface.....
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Miyamoto: Pikmin 4 in development, "very close to completion"
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metalslimer
Member
They're not even remotely reliable
Between Pikmin 1 and 3 we had:
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Mwtroid Fusion
Metroid: Zero Mission
Classic NES Series: Metroid
Metroid Prime Pinball
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Metroid: Other M
Starfox Adventures
Starfox: Assault
Starfox:Combat
Starfox 64 3D
Pikmin 2
New Play Control! Pikmin
New Play Control! Pikmin 2
They surely keep coming
Beelzebufo
Banned
We had Pikmin and Pikmin 2 and Galaxy and Galaxy 2 in the past, probably other examples too.
Mask obviously.
dreampeppers99
Member
Thanks I'll stop quoting them ;/ ( I wish I knew how many DKCTF Nintendo sold)
Why? I'd have to think that if its "almost done" it wouldn't be an NX title, nor would it be casually announced even by Miyamoto.
It didn't sell a million copies, because it never made Nintendo's financial reports like other million sellers.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I guess I should actually play the copy I got for Christmas two years ago.
Guardian Monkey
Member
Well no s***. It takes like 2 weeks to make that game?
dreampeppers99
Member
regardless if Pikmin 3 sold or not above 1M, I love the fact that Nintendo also produces games that "doesn't sell as AAA expected" (it such thing exist)
Games can be done but saved for release at the appropriate time.
If Nintendo plans for NX to do well, they'll need to have several big titles ready to go at launch.
dreampeppers99
Member
It's a bit fun!
I love Metroid, DKC, Pikmin, Zelda, Mario and for me ANY OF THESE coming is such a great thing !!! I really don't see the point about being angry because X or Y came out lol(although DKC Krew people suffered a lot waiting since DKC3 until Returns)
Yup. And the way things are lining up the could possibly have Zelda, Pikmin, and even a new 3d mario at launch.
I'll keep my expectations in check, of course. But God, that'd be something.
goldenpp72
Member
Metroid did get a really big push for a bit that's for sure, but the well dried up in a really powerful way. Also, Other M wasn't even made in house entirely and is a turd. Star Fox? Same situation, there hasn't been an in house project in that series that was an original game since 64, with Adventures being a reskinned Dinosaur Planet.
Basically, whenever Nintendo makes a Pikmin game, they seem to take it serious and ensure it is a quality project, with Metroid, they did good to nurture Retro to handle that series, but the attention Metroid gets today is nothing compared to what Pikmin has been getting. Star fox, not even close, they have treated that game like shit since 64, and Command/Assault are awful games, you'll never see Nintendo allow that to happen to Pikmin.
I guess this is more my main issue, Nintendo not treating these series like they matter while keeping Pikmin internal, I have no idea why Pikmin skipped the Wii in the end, but it seems to me like they in general respect the series a lot more than some of their other higher selling properties.
Hell, Star Fox Zero still has Platinum helping, but I believe it's at least in part in house which is the only reason it probably has a chance at this point to not be a bad game.
lol at singling out the metroid "fanbase". People just complain about everything.
Sammy Samusu
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On a more serious note, I doubt they have NX games "close to completion", especially of the caliber of Pikmin.
But at the same time, I don't see Wii U getting a new Pikmin game. Maybe it's a 3DS title? (don't @ me, Luigi's Mansion 2 slayed the charts)
But at the same time, I don't see Wii U getting a new Pikmin game. Maybe it's a 3DS title? (don't @ me, Luigi's Mansion 2 slayed the charts)
Beelzebufo
Banned
Pikmin skipped a whole generation, Metroid and Star Fox didn't. You're being really arbitrary if you're saying that well dried up lol.
You're just arguing for Pikmin being a great game series? How is that bad? It's still not getting barely any attention at all, hence why the reveal was Miyamoto just saying "yeah Pikmin 4 will be out soon" in some random interview. You seem a little delusional.
dreampeppers99
Member
I don't know, I was thinking about modern consoles... they going to be more of a modern PC, the architecture X64 is almost defined (my guess, based on the fact of third parties costs)...
And you can develop a game using a modern PC and then you can port it to the NX OS syscalls as well as GPU API. (or already using headers of such apis)
I think, nowdays devkits are mostly "set of apis" ...
By the way I would like to know if my assumptions are right? ^
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Look here's the thing about Pikmin 4: If they don't bring back Brittany, the entire game is worthless.
Beelzebufo
Banned
She can come back in the same way the Ship came back in Pikmin 3.
CrAzY FiNgErS
Member
I like this alternative to the day night cycle. Keep it in but make it fit the storyline in a natural way. I just hate rushing back to the ship constantly. I suck at time limits/ time management in all the games any way. Just get rid of it and let us freely explore. Of course by changing so drastically the game would have to change the world layouts and perhaps make them bigger and maybe make enemies tougher. They could make enemies tougher at night, but also have tougher Pikmin to handle the greater hazards at night. I guess I'll keep dreaming.
No idea what is going on here, but metroid totally skipped a generation, and its going to be skipping this one as well.
Aaronrules380
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Beelzebufo
Banned
I'm talking about since Pikmin's creation, and there's a new Metroid on the way that was formally announced at E3 instead of being revealed on a gaming website haha. Or is it not the Metroid you wanted so it doesn't count? 😩
I mean, I wouldn't say worthless, but it'd definitely agree that it'd suck if we don't get the best captain back.
goldenpp72
Member
Star Fox skipped the Wii, Metroid skipped the Wii U and F-Zero skipped both. It getting a portable release that was ass doesn't really count as servicing fans of the IP, command is the worst game in the series and is about as much a real star fox game as Mario Tennis was to Mario 64 (aside Tennis actually being good, of course)
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just feel Nintendo discards these series that deserve similar treatment to the Pikmin series. Throwing the properties at Namco or other random companies and producing shit entries doesn't really keep the fans happy you know?
Pokemaniac
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CPU architecture is largely irrelevant to modern game development. It is largely handled by compilers now. Incidentally, Nintendo is more likely to pick ARM than x86_64, since they've suggested the console and handheld will be very similar architecturally, and ARM scales up better than x86_64 scales down.
While I don't have experience working specifically with consoles, what you describe for porting is probably the biggest task, but there'd probably be some other stuff to do, as well. Lots of interesting things can go wrong during porting.
You're wrong about devkits, though. I don't know what specifically is included for console devkits, but they'd probably have, at minimum:
*Libraries/Header Files
*Documentation
*Compilers
*Test hardware
*Probably some other dev tools.
*Probably some other thing I'm forgetting
Look, I liked final fantasy crystal bearers. I liked it enough to put it on my top 5 wii games list in that thread.
Heck, I liked it better than ff XIII, a mainline Final Fantasy game.
No matter how much I like it, I would never try to make any kind of statement like crystal bearers was a final fantasy game while blatantly pointing at the mainline franchise, as opposed to what it actually was, a game with the FF name put on it. Having links to the story and world in the actual series does not change this. Trying to insinuate otherwise, is disingenious, and kind of skeezy.
In the same common sense way, federation forces is not a metroid game, and no matter how good or bad it is, that will never change. Its a game, that had the metroid name put on it.
thecouncil
Banned
Pumpkin 3 local multiplayer (both missions and bingo battle) are so goddamn fun and replayable. I hope 4 includes all that if it's a console game.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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I don't see what's so unrealistic about a Wii U Pikmin game. It certainly makes more sense than a 3DS version (The 3DS's screen is probably too small to show individual pikmin very well, unless they wanted to decrease the amount of pikmin you can have onscreen).
I'm guessing that it will reuse a lot of assets from Pikmin 3, but touched up enough to impress us.
I'm really excited for the game because I'm getting a Super Mario Galaxy 2 vibe in the sense that this kind of thing (2 mainline releases for a franchise on the same console) happens whenever the team that made the game had a lot of great ideas that they couldn't fit in the first game in time for release.
dreampeppers99
Member
Sure, but could Pikmin 4 count for that? And they still didn't specify for which platform it is, for all we know it could be for 3DS even.
Pikmin is a large game, with a grand adventure and tons of content. I see no reason why a great entry in the series wouldnt.
3ds? There is no way the 3ds cpu could handle an actual pikmin game. Not even the new 3ds cpu.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I would argue that portable releases certainly count haha, why would we just ignore them? It's also really weird to single out Pikmin as getting preferential treatment to the other two when all three have games on the way in the near future (Pikmin 4 might not even be til NX), and the other two have had more games in less time than Pikmin. It's just a bizarre argument. I mean shit dude, Sakamoto was in charge of Other M while Prime was relegated to a nobody studio. They gave Smash to Namco too, but it was fine. They didn't try to make bad games I don't think.
So Nintendo is going to sit on a niche sequel to a niche game (that is in no way a system seller) for a year+ so that it can be released on a new, unproven platform.
This is also a game that already has the bulk of its Wii U asset work done, making for a low-risk sequel to put out during the Wii U's last full year of support. Majora's Mask, Galaxy 2, and FE: Fates were other sequels with quick turnaround times released on the same platform as their predecessor that shared a lot of the same assets.
I get that, but what I mean is, is the general concensus that a Pikmin game is a "big game" like heavy hitter game(for example a Mario Kart, 2D Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, Animal Crossing to name some Nintendo games)?
I guess it can't be outruled just yet.
So you are purposefully ignoring his points and pretending to be obtuse about them in order to make strawmen?
Like where you ignore how he says command didnt service fans of the ip because it was a shitty game that didnt do the things starfox was about... But responded to it as if he said command didnt count because it was portable.
Thats a pretty shitty thing to do.... I dont think I need to see how this started to see whats going on.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I don't think that's a valid criticism about Command, but even if it was we have a Star Fox Wii U on the way 😳
Plus we got 64 again, which is all Star fox fans really want.
Also, he did say portable games don't count.
You might as well remove Zelda from that list then, since you are clearly saying heavy hitter = sales volume, and Zeldas best sales day gets curb stomped by those others you listed.
No, it can absolutely be ruled out, there is no way the n3ds cpu can handle a pikmin game, as in real time strategy action game where you command 100 pikmin. If it was for 3ds, it would be a spinoff. Like pikmin commandos or something. That would actually be kinda cool.
pikmin 3 assets confirmed.
lets just hope its more like pikmin 2 in terms of the piklopedia/pokedex aspect and insane amounts of levels via caves.
i hated the time limit and easyness of 3 (electricity doesn't kill you, enemies are much easier to kill, all pikmin bulbs are mixed into one to save time when it comes to summoning pikmin even if it meant nixing some of the coolest design in a nintendo game).
long pikmin game plz miyamoto
lets just hope its more like pikmin 2 in terms of the piklopedia/pokedex aspect and insane amounts of levels via caves.
i hated the time limit and easyness of 3 (electricity doesn't kill you, enemies are much easier to kill, all pikmin bulbs are mixed into one to save time when it comes to summoning pikmin even if it meant nixing some of the coolest design in a nintendo game).
long pikmin game plz miyamoto
I really hope the new game has 3 and 4 player Bingo Battle. The single player mode wasn't anything special for me, but multiplayer has been a solid favourite every time I go to see my friends. It's so gloriously chaotic, and we've all now got such firm strategies, the only downside is the limit on the number of players. Get three or four of us in an arena at once, ramp up the number of enemies/items available depending on the number of players, and let havoc be unleashed. Same goes for Spla2oon, although for that, they should concentrate on making local multiplayer GOOD, not the gimped version of main game it is now (and have splitscreen, rather than forcing one person onto the gamepad).