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Naughty Dog: move to next-gen is "terrifying"
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Ah, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
SatelliteOfLove
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Think of all the DLC and episodic gaming that'll pay for all this new tech guys! YEAH!
A good bit of the creativity is headed there lately. Add in DD and that eyebrow-raising playing in Chrome deal from last week, well...
A good bit of the creativity is headed there lately. Add in DD and that eyebrow-raising playing in Chrome deal from last week, well...
SolidSnakex
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60fps won't be any more common next gen than it was this gen. Most companies are happy with their games running at 30fps. Fighting games, CoD, some racing games and a few action titles (Platinum and Team Ninja games) are the only 60fps games that you'll be able to bank on. It's possible that Respawn games will run at 60fps since Vince and Jason thought that made a big difference with their games.
Perhaps it was same sentiment when the ramification of hardware change from PS2 to PS3 had started to set in. This anxiety isn't ND exclusive.
Still next gen would be about iteration/evolution since we are already in the age of HD.
Of course, creating the best looking game on the PS3 (besides Santa monica) puts them on a pedestal which is like a double edged blade when it comes to balancing nigh unrealistic expectations (especially towards the beginning of the new generation) with practical upgrades at the time.
Still next gen would be about iteration/evolution since we are already in the age of HD.
Of course, creating the best looking game on the PS3 (besides Santa monica) puts them on a pedestal which is like a double edged blade when it comes to balancing nigh unrealistic expectations (especially towards the beginning of the new generation) with practical upgrades at the time.
Yes but it was horrifyingly stressful. They were losing people left and right from the sounds of it.
AranhaHunter
Banned
When you're doing this on current gen hardware
The expectations for your next-gen game is going to be out of this world.
OMG. Ellie is cross eyed.
mckmas8808
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THE:MILKMAN
Member
Reading this from May 2006 is interesting. Compare and contrast that with this new interview.
They know the pressure is massive to deliver another AAA game as well as transitioning to new hardware.
I don't believe the spotlight has been on them anywhere near this much in the PS1/PS2 days.
The dogs seem to be developing stage fright, bless! I think they'll be more than fine.
They know the pressure is massive to deliver another AAA game as well as transitioning to new hardware.
I don't believe the spotlight has been on them anywhere near this much in the PS1/PS2 days.
The dogs seem to be developing stage fright, bless! I think they'll be more than fine.
Haint
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Who can afford a $299 console when they got $60 annual CoD's to buy, $50 Elite memberships, $60 XBL Subscriptions, and $5 Avatar outfits? When I bought my $299 Xbox-Tard Pack back in 2005 I expected (nay demanded) it remain relevant beyond the year 2012. Technology has no business advancing, next gen can wait!
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The spotlight is going to be increasingly on them, since Sony can't rely on 3rd party exclusives. So ND, SSM (, etc.) have to sell the Sony hardware and consoles in general when people are moving onto pc/tablet gaming.
Well who is honestly left ?
We have Square-enix-Eidos +taito, the international Juggernaut super company
EA games and it's dozens of sub-companies
Activision/vivendi-universal/blizzard
Nintendo, Sony and MS obviously
Take 2 games
Ubisoft
THQ
Then, across the pacific -
Konami / hudson
Namco bandai
Sega
Atlus
capcom
Koei/tecmo
I realize you may have meant actual development studios and not publishers but think back 10 years and those 2 things were one in the same and there were over a hundred. Now there's barely 20 publishers left. I predict THQ is next to die , ubisoft is going to end up merging with another company, maybe an asian one ?
It's amazing that Atlus and sega are even still around really. Within 10 years I think you'll see less then 10 publishers. 2-4 of which will also make hardware.
Benjamin_MFF
Member
Oh, this is good. It's true. Nothing wrong with that. As long as the software is good. That is what is important.
Rising_Hei
Member
I don't think consoles should get a real next gen until developing gets cheaper and more efficient...
The guys here say it pretty clearly, that's why a game like Final Fantasy VII ported 1:1 to current gen graphics would be so expensive... more than anything ever done
The guys here say it pretty clearly, that's why a game like Final Fantasy VII ported 1:1 to current gen graphics would be so expensive... more than anything ever done
so we should just never have a new gen?
KingJ2002
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honestly... that's my opinion on next gen as well.
i dont know what to expect... and my jaw is still dropping from what naughty dog releases.
sooo... idgaf about next gen right now.
elrechazado
Banned
So how about rather than buying that shit, you wait till good games come out, instead of "screw there even being a next gen".
Makes no sense bro.
SketchTheArtist
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Moving to Next-Gen is only terrifying if you keep having gameplay that could be done on PS1.
I really hope, if it ever came to this, that Nintendo would be the one to grab Sega. Only because I think they are the last chance of ever seeing many of Sega's IPs again. They fill voids that Nintendo as a company has, even if they contract them out to other companies and don't do them in house. I think if anyone else grabbed them they'd only be interested in Sonic and maybe not care enough to even sell off the other IPs but just let them rot for good. That and it only seems right that after being rivals (Nintendo and Sega) and now finally working together that in the end Sonic and Mario along with others should share the same home.
Yeah next gen is terrifying for the guys who actually go out ahead of the pack and figure out all the new shit and the best practices through trial and error and shit. Especially when they're a AAA studio that is also expected to put out a visually stunning game 'commensurate to the performance of the hardware' that also plays well. It's a massive rush of existing expectations, heightened expectations, and a whole new technological landscape that you have to explore through.
Why would jumping to WiiU be any easier? A new system is a new system
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wait ... you're serious?
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This isn't any different from previous gens. Consoles aren't PC's - engines don't go from gen to gen for the most part
SWWS is helping with the architecture ... so no[Nintex];33587614 said:
Current gen consoles? Yeah they are
lulz, Japan? You will get less games from them next-gen compared to this gen...
I'm sorry you're poor.
Haunted
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re: ballooning development costs: I'd rather developers make a game with a 50 million dollar budget on contemporary hardware than a game with a 50 million dollar budget on shit 2005 hardware.
The situation is definitely more unforgiving and more daunting than in the past.
The thing is that with the current blockbuster business model, you don't have three strikes before you're out. One big miss and everything's going to shit.
The situation is definitely more unforgiving and more daunting than in the past.
You really think that's the case with ND?
Really?
Next gen is going to be harder than this gen, just as this gen was harder than the one before it. But It's nothing newsworthy IMO. People are going to survive next generation I think.
jim-jam bongs
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I'd imagine it would be less terrifying if they weren't a first-party studio. Being first-party means they get a lot of support from Sony, sure, but it also means they'll be expected to deliver something solid in the first 12 months after the generation begins, so they need to begin working on it well before that time. A third-party studio has the luxury of sitting back and releasing titles on the old consoles until they're good and ready to make the jump, and by that point there will be middleware and experienced developers available to make it smoother.
They also mentioned that, at the beginning of the current generation, they had very little idea what the PS3 was going to be like and were developing their prototypes on PC. When they got the dev units they were apparently significantly less powerful than what they were expecting, so a lot of that work ended up being wasted somewhat. I'm guessing that experience has made them particularly cautious about any generational changes, though if Sony can get them PS4s as early as possible they might feel a bit more relaxed.
They also mentioned that, at the beginning of the current generation, they had very little idea what the PS3 was going to be like and were developing their prototypes on PC. When they got the dev units they were apparently significantly less powerful than what they were expecting, so a lot of that work ended up being wasted somewhat. I'm guessing that experience has made them particularly cautious about any generational changes, though if Sony can get them PS4s as early as possible they might feel a bit more relaxed.
Pimpbaa
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Well, the PS3 was/is difficult to work with so I can see why they had problems at first. I hope the PS4 either has a much more simpler design or at least something very similar to the PS3 (cell) so they can carry over alot of their tech. I really can't see Sony going for something completely different and unconventional next gen.
dreamer3kx
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Im ready for next gen, 33 yrs old, not getting any younger, Im ready.
Lion Heart
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I always assumed large development costs were due to devs trying to fit a square block into a triangle hole, so to speak. With next gen, assuming Ram is plentiful, there would be a lot less stagnation during development resulting in more efficiency? How off base is that logic? Of course, I realize the costs toward art assets will go up but in the end it should be somewhat balanced (speaking of AAA games mostly).
Haunted
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Well no, you were talking in general I thought, so I replied in general. Naughty Dog seems pretty safe since they have such a good relationship with Sony. Other developers don't have that luxury.
And it's funny that you say "survive" considering the amount of studios that have died this generation.
what they are talking about is true for any new software development, it is just what happens. You start with something new and unfamiliar, you dont really understand it, there are many bugs and issues and then all the pieces fall together at the very end.
there is no easy software development, unless everyone can do it and then it is no fun
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there is no easy software development, unless everyone can do it and then it is no fun
.Damn right. And if I can't afford it, nobody should get it at launch. We all know that consoles sell half of their lifetime in the first year, and so if it doesn't launch and sell 30 million, then it's not happening.
And also, I only need 256 Kb, 10 acres, and a mule and I can farmville fuckers.
I KNOW, right?! I've got some checkers from pre-WWII era made out of lead. Anyone game?
Seriously. This is the most ridiculous argument. If Witcher 2 can happen with a small budget, then I'm sure Ass creed, COD, DudeBrah 458052 can too.
flyinpiranha
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Amen.
Conciliator
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I'm ready for the next gen, so that I can watch the wacky hype train, not buy the consoles at release, not buy the inevitably shitty release titles, check out some best-of-gen swan songs for current gen this upcoming year and next, and then buy the best of the new consoles a year and a half later when decent shit starts coming out for it. Yep, I'm ready!
Wait I was talking in general. I thought you were talking about ND... My head hurts >_>.
Anyway, the economy played a huge role in those studios. I'm not saying next gen is going to be any easier, rather, I'm just saying it's normal for a transition to have some bumps. I don't think next generation will be any different.
(the blockblusters are blockbusters for a reason, they are intended to be heavy weights. They either rise to heaven or plummet to hell. Developers don't have to take this route if they don't want to. God forbid they actually use creativity rather than technology to sell their games.)
Sounds like they are saying (we are a first party studio)
Sony does not really want to lose more money so sing the company line.
Things will go back to Snes and Genesis days. Consoles will be far less powerful than PC (from the starting point). People will whine they want graphics back. Would be nice if the focus of next gen was on AI. ND is just conditioning the masses to accept the day when Sony puts out an underpowered system.(In some peoples eyes.)
When people lose they stop playing and say the game sucks. The days of people learning what the game wants and honing skills are gone. The focus will always be on graphics because that is the easiest tool to sell software to the masses.
Just my opinion.
Sony does not really want to lose more money so sing the company line.
Things will go back to Snes and Genesis days. Consoles will be far less powerful than PC (from the starting point). People will whine they want graphics back. Would be nice if the focus of next gen was on AI. ND is just conditioning the masses to accept the day when Sony puts out an underpowered system.(In some peoples eyes.)
When people lose they stop playing and say the game sucks. The days of people learning what the game wants and honing skills are gone. The focus will always be on graphics because that is the easiest tool to sell software to the masses.
Just my opinion.
PeakPointMatrix
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I know Naughty Dog has come far this gen but Jesus Christ. They make Uncharted 1 look like a PS2 game sometimes!
Sad but true. At least get a locked 30 at 1080p. We don't even get true 720p 30 fps games now.
les papillons sexuels
Banned
I know Naughty Dog has come far this gen but Jesus Christ. They make Uncharted 1 look like a PS2 game sometimes!
that because uncharted didn't look as good as so many people claimed. People had beer goggles on or something.
Ninja Scooter
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I think that's kind of the point of my post. I have no interest in being an early adopter again, so for ME, i'd rather Naughty Dog (and all of my other favorite devs) made as many current gen games as possible before moving on. Nowhere did I say I hope Next Gen never happens. Obviously that shit is inevitable.