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Naughty Dog receives 120 PS4 dev kits
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SolidSnakex
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Agreed. I'm all for Naughty Dog making a new IP, but people need to be realistic here. This isn't like previous gens for them. They didn't lose their current IP (Crash) nor did it drop in sales and review scores (Jak). Uncharted is extremely popular and they've continually mentioned in interviews that they're very much interested in making more games in the series if that's what fans want.
It's certainly possible that their first next-gen game will be a new IP. After all it'll be three years since the release of Uncharted 3 by the time that it's released and that's how long it took them to go from Crash to Jak and from Jak to Uncharted. But I also think that there's probably a better chance that we're going to see a rebooted Uncharted instead.
Except Sony has been replacing key staff at ND for nearly as long as they've owned them, without missing a beat.
Rubin and Gavin were only around for 4 years after the purchase. They left and Sony replaced them with Amy Hennig who wrote The Last of Us. She's still with them but they had Druckman work with her on Uncharted before tapping him for The Last of Us.
Same with Sony Santa Monica. Jaffe led the first God of War, then left so they had Barlog lead the second game where he topped it's predecessor. Then he left, Stig Asmussen took over and delivered an exceptional God of War III. He's now making his own IP and they had Toddy Papy direct GoW: Ascension instead. Hell, even with Ready at Dawn handling the PSP games they had Ru Weerasuriya direct the first game and Dana Jan direct the second (Werasuriya did help write both games, as did Barlog).
New director every God of War game, never missed a beat.
Sony's first party studio managers have an eye for talent and it's not exactly easy to poach someone like an Allan Becker type when Sony promotes them up the executive ladder aggressively and no other video game industry entity really rivals the scope of Sony's corporate hierarchy.
Worldwide Studios bleeds talent all the time but they replace with similar talent just as quickly. In turn they offer anyone who works for them exceptional levels of creative freedom, funding, and technical support. That is how you get the best results out of your creative staff, and something Sony Computer Entertainment at least has made part of it's corporate culture.
The difference is this is Naughty Dog. Thats why.
He's baiting dont fall for it.
I dont think that is true. I believe they are in the same building or something. If I am not wrong the ICE team consist of people from ND , SSM etc. Not just ND.
SolidSnakex
Member
It sounds like they're just ND as of 2010
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/03/13/interview-naughty-dog-co-president-evan-wells/
Meatyhooks
Neo Member
Start drooling, GAF
Looks like Sony can produce quite a few dev kits.
I'm so excited.
Ugggh. The VGAs can't come soon enough.
I want my Uncharted 4 but-- TLOU2? New IP? I'll happily take anything they throw at us.
Seriously though, after TLOU-- Naughty Dog has become one of the few, few developers that I get hyped about no matter the genre/franchise. They made me play a survival horror/stealth game (a kinda no-no genre for me) and somehow made me enjoy playing it-- so much so that I'd rate it as one of my top games of this gen.
I want my Uncharted 4 but-- TLOU2? New IP? I'll happily take anything they throw at us.
Seriously though, after TLOU-- Naughty Dog has become one of the few, few developers that I get hyped about no matter the genre/franchise. They made me play a survival horror/stealth game (a kinda no-no genre for me) and somehow made me enjoy playing it-- so much so that I'd rate it as one of my top games of this gen.
Thanks for the correction.
For some reason I knew they were in the same building. But I thought the group was more varied and consist of people working all around WWS.
My info which made me believe same building but not exclusively ND .
Sony ICE Team is one of three first party technology internal development teams of SCE Worldwide Studios.
The ICE Team focuses on creating core graphics technologies for Sony's worldwide first party published titles for the PlayStation 3, including low level game engine components, graphics processing pipelines, supporting tools, and GUI profiling and debugging tools.
More recently the ICE Team's scope has expanded in order to build engine components and tools for use by third party developers. The first two of these are PlayStation Edge, a set of components that enables developers to get better performance out of the PlayStation 3, and GCM Replay, which provides analysis, debugging, and profiling for the .
ICE Team resides in the same building as Naughty Dog.
http://wikibin.org/articles/ice-team.html
KNACK is not a AAA super-blockbuster etc. game.
It's a small game by a very small team/group inside SCE's Japan Studios.
It looks damn good for that and it is a "family oriented" game.
Main goal -> FUN
People seem to forget what this game actually is.
And btw. it's an adventure game with platform elements (see Jak/Crash) and not a pure platformer.
We should give it rest with the "new IP" shouts.
We're talking about business here!
It's always a big risk and it costs a lot of money when a dev/publisher starts/greenlights a new IP.
UNCHARTED is one of SCE's TOP3 IP's.
They already have a new IP with THE LAST OF US.
So be thankful for that and let them make a new Uncharted and later a sequel to their newest IP (TLOU).
You will see new IP's by different SCEWW studios. It's their turn.
Naughty already has a new IP.
Cock of War
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Someone should make a gif with that scroll effect on the boxes. It is truly mesmerizing.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Isn't Druckmann the writer of The Last of Us? I guess you meant to say Hennig wrote the Uncharted series.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
It could be more than that right? Considering dev kits are equipped with higher hardware specs compared to retail hardware.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
ICE team is just one of many technological groups in WW studios.
http://www.worldwidestudios.net/locations/departments
ICE team (based within the Naughty Dog studio in Santa Monica, CA)
Tools and Technology Group based in Foster City, CA
Advanced Technology Group based in the London and Cambridge studios
Online Technology Group, San Diego campus and London Studio.
Services Group, based in San Diego and Foster City
SHIP team, based in Foster City
ProfessorMoran
Member
ND is like Mick Jagger and Sony is like the Rolling Stones.
According to Linkedin from 201 to 500 employees
The last of Us was written by Neil. Amy was the lead writer for Uncharted, but she didn't take part in TLOU afaik.
pharmboy044
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500 people? That can't be right. Those probably are contractors. They're more like around 220.
Anyway, I can't wait for the VGA's for a new ND tease. It better not be the single player DLC for TLOU. I want my lovable Drake and Sully back for another adventure!
Am I the only one that can't see the scrolling effect everyone's talking about? I feel like I'm missing out.
I don't see it either.
Yes, it was a typo. Was already thinking about the next sentence.
HORRORSHØW
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Fixed
Callibretto
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I like to think ICE team as Sony's super elite special forces division lol
Somehow, it actually is!
EdReedFan20
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And, wouldn't you know it, Mark Cerny had a part in creating ICE Team. I doubt he helps much there anymore, as he obviously has been busy with more important things. He discussed it in one of this keynotes.
Nightengale
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They don't have 500, that's just how LinkedIn classifies sizes of companies. They have 100-200, 200-500, 500-1000, and such.
Based on LinkedIn's, Naughty Dog has around 270 employees at the moment. Not all are necessarily developers and some are in ICE instead of the game development team, but that matches with the approximation that each core team of ND is around 100-130 people.
AFAIK, ND doesn't really do outsourcing or contracts a lot, they pull resources from the 2nd-team if they need to crunch stuff. TLoU apparently pulled half of the 2nd team resources for the final rush to completion or something.
IAmRandom31
Banned
lol their task was to break the code of the SPU's before the system launched, then distribute the internal API they build to the first party teams. Cerny being a part of that ICE team.
They pretty much are Sony's special forces. If they can break the SPU puzzle and make them work ala Ratchet and Clank : Tools of Destruction ( just leagues beyond anything released at that time ) .. the PS4 will be like programming on the Commodore 64 for them.
CosmicGroinPull
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Are HDMI cables included in the box?
EdReedFan20
Member
And then Uncharted: Drake's Fortune was released one month after Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction.
pharmboy044
Member
Ah okay. I don't have very much experience with LinkedIn and didn't realize they categorized companies in that fashion.
Regarding outsourcing, ND supposedly did quite a bit for TLOU. This was pretty apparent when you viewed the credits for TLOU.
I just wrote up some notes on Neil Druckmann's keynote here in Toronto, about the story development for The Last of Us. It's in the community thread because there were tons of spoilers.
One non-spoiler point: during the Q&A, he stated that the Sony execs gave absolutely NO creative notes for The Last of Us. That's how much they trust ND.
One non-spoiler point: during the Q&A, he stated that the Sony execs gave absolutely NO creative notes for The Last of Us. That's how much they trust ND.
Nightengale
Member
Hmm, that's rare. I guess it makes sense though.
No way Sony would allow the 2nd team's PS4 title to be delayed significantly.
HellsimusPrime
Banned
Yeah and it was a good decision cause the game has already sold 4 million copies.
Yea, judging from TLOU credits, every major Chinese graphics house was used by ND. Well worth it in the end though.
I would be willing to bet almost every major developer creating a AAA game does some degree of outsourcing. GG said for KZ:SF they are doing more outsourcing than they have ever done before.
pharmboy044
Member
Thanks. I'm definitely going to read that.
dem unique assets everywhere. I think Yoshida was the one pushing for ICE (initiative for common engine) team. He definitely was behind SCEWWS and tech sharing. The man nods whats up.
Hydrargyrus
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Everyone loves Naughty Dog