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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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Cup said:
Bill Cosby is alive and well, and with so many allegations, you would expect someone to file a lawsuit, right?
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Can you look for yourself into why that's not happening? It's important to the whole situation.

I feel like you're coming in here with no facts. You just want to trust Bill Cosby.
 
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Siegcram

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Cup said:
Do you even realize what you're saying?
How can I possibly form an opinion if I dont have all the facts? this is exactly what im talking about.
Even if the allegations are convincing, there is always that chance he didnt do it. that small chance is the reason we have court and jury.
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You never have all the facts about anything. Do you just go through life as an unopinionated blob?

And I'm not on a jury, so why should I follow the same procedure in forming an opinion?

We're talking about a guy that was surrounded by allegations for years and recently it exploded. All these stories are consistent and backed up by virtually anyone Cosby has ever worked with.

So gtfo with your concern trolling bs.
 
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Kar

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Can you look for yourself into why that's not happening? It's important to the whole situation.

I feel like you're coming in here with no facts. You just want to trust Bill Cosby.
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I never even heard of Bill Cosby until recently. The story about him reached to my local news channel and I got curious, thats it. (I live in Israel btw). So im probably more objective about this than most people here. But when I read this thread, it was really weird for me to see so many negative comments towards a guys who hasnt been convicted yet.

And I read about the reason why he probably wont be charged, it doesnt really change my view since I still believe any person is innocent until proven guilty. You dont have to respect my opinion, but to say "you just want to trust Bill Cosby" or "gtfo with your concern trolling bs" is pretty extreme.
 
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Cheebo

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Cup said:
I never even heard of Bill Cosby until recently. The story about him reached to my local news channel and I got curious, thats it. (I live in Israel btw). So im probably more objective about this than most people here. But when I read this thread, it was really weird for me to see so many negative comments towards a guys who hasnt been convicted yet.

And I read about the reason why he probably wont be charged, it doesnt really change my view since I still believe any person is innocent until proven guilty. You dont have to respect my opinion, but to say "you just want to trust Bill Cosby" or "gtfo with your concern trolling bs" is pretty extreme.
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How can he get convicted? These are past the Statute of limitations. Clearly you haven't been following this if you are waiting for a jury to decide. There will be no criminal trial. That's not how it works here.
 
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Kar

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Cheebo said:
How can he get convicted? These are past the Statute of limitations. Clearly you haven't been following this if you are waiting for a jury to decide. There will be no criminal trial. That's not how it works here.
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Im pretty sure there are ways to get arround that (psychological injuries and stuff like that).
And I think (might be wrong here) the Statute of limitations only applies when its her word against his word, if there are hard evidence, it can be used in court. at least thats how it works in Israel.
 
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Blackhead

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Cup said:
Guys, slow down. I understand where you're coming from but thats a completely different case. Bill Cosby is alive and well, and with so many allegations, you would expect someone to file a lawsuit, right? im not saying he didnt to it, all im saying is there is a chance he didnt do it, no matter how small.
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At least one lawsuit has been filed before but Cosby chose to settle.

Does anyone have the definitive number of the lawsuits that have been filed/settled over the decades? iirc one of articles/interviews with Cosby's former chauffeur mentioned driving around delivering bag money or something to women..
 
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Siegcram

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Cup said:
I never even heard of Bill Cosby until recently. The story about him reached to my local news channel and I got curious, thats it. (I live in Israel btw). So im probably more objective about this than most people here. But when I read this thread, it was really weird for me to see so many negative comments towards a guys who hasnt been convicted yet.

And I read about the reason why he probably wont be charged, it doesnt really change my view since I still believe any person is innocent until proven guilty. You dont have to respect my opinion, but to say "you just want to trust Bill Cosby" or "gtfo with your concern trolling bs" is pretty extreme.
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There's nothing objektive about your stance. It's willfully ignorant and misinformed at best.
 
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Waikis

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Cup said:
Im pretty sure there are ways to get arround that (psychological injuries and stuff like that).
And I think (might be wrong here) the Statute of limitations only applies when its her word against his word, if there are hard evidence, it can be used in court. at least thats how it works in Israel.
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I dont think you have a firm grasp of what statute of limitation is. It doesnt matter if there is an ongoing psychological impact. There is simply no recourse once you are past the you have passed the period of limitation.
Here's why it's difficult to bring a case against Cosby:http://www.vox.com/2014/11/20/7255095/bill-cosby-rape-lawsuit
 
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kame-sennin

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Cup said:
Guys, slow down. I understand where you're coming from but thats a completely different case. Bill Cosby is alive and well, and with so many allegations, you would expect someone to file a lawsuit, right? im not saying he didnt to it, all im saying is there is a chance he didnt do it, no matter how small.
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What the fuck is wrong with you? One of the major catalysts for this whole thing was the lawsuit filed against him in 2004. You came into this thread knowing literally nothing and recklessly mired all of us in a morass of ignorance and stupidity.
 
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Agent Unknown

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Latest roundup:

Spelman College has suspended its endowment program with Cosby stating they have been left with no other choice as the constant allegations undermine the very spirit of the program and the young women the program supports:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...l?hootPostID=c53e91281ff64deecc26c42d1c10ddb8

After many years of insisting that race doesn't matter and publically shaming the African American community, it blows my mind that Cosby has the mind boggling, hypocritical audacity to play the racial persecution card on this and hide behind his wife while pathetically pleading for the mercy of "the black media."

Speaking of which, Camille Cosby is now taking her role of enabler publically by defending her cowardly husband saying none of the women being interviewed are being "properly vetted." Her weak defense has no new information to think otherwise and is of course, insensitive and dismissive of the victims, painting it all as some vague conspiracy fueled only by viral media and nothing more and also tries to link it to the current status of the Rolling Stone University of Virginia scandal:

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/bi...cries-lack-of-vetting-of-accusers-1201380122/

I have to ask at this point, was Camille really just an oblivious idiot this entire time? How much did she know? She was never once suspicious regarding her husband's private meetings at all hours with young women, many of which were in their own home? At least a few of the stories begin with Camille excusing herself to go to bed leaving Cosby unattended with his female guests. Even without the rape allegations, to me this doesn't reflect the actions of a responsible, sensitive wife. As some of the stories have shown, Camille going upstairs for the evening = time to get out of dodge if you're a Cosby houseguest.

Also, Beverly Johnson was interviewed on The View today and recounted Cosby drugging her in detail. Johnson didn't waiver a bit from the damning account she gave to Vanity despite some seriously, aneurysm-inducingly stupid questions from Whoopi, who still seems hellbent on coming off as an insensitive, willfully ignorant, rape apologist and for reasons not explained was allowed by the producers to be the moderator in the discussion:

http://jezebel.com/whoopi-goldberg-cannot-comprehend-beverly-johnsons-cosb-1671330799

More reliable video links here:

https://tv.yahoo.com/news/view-whoopi-goldberg-questions-beverly-johnson-over-bill-204019252.html
 
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Oddduck

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24-year old old claims Bill Cosby drugged her & sexually attack her when she was 18 years old at the Playboy Mansion which might be INSIDE statute of limitations. He raped her in 2008.

Which is kind of a big deal since the other women accusing Cosby were not in the statute of limitations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ins-sexual-assault-allegations_n_6333748.html

According to Goins, Hefner -- a longtime friend of Cosby who has recently distanced himself from the comedian -- introduced Goins and her friend to Cosby once they arrived at the party.

Goins says that she and her friend were talking to Cosby and he seemed, "like a really nice guy, really funny." During their conversation, Cosby allegedly left and came back with drinks. "I wasn't really supposed to drink because of my age but I was like, 'O.K., cool'," Goins told The Daily Mail. "I thought I'd got a drink on the side. I remember the drink being kind of strong but it didn't taste funny or anything like that... Someone spiked my drink, I have no doubt about that, it was my first drink of the night."

After a few minutes, she says "everything kind of went a little foggy, I started feeling sick to my stomach, and just dizzy." Goins claims Hefner noticed she looked sick and offered her a bedroom to lie down in. She says Cosby then offered to show her to the room.

Goins told The Daily Mail the next thing she remembers is waking up completely naked on a bed. "I was butt naked lying on my back on a bed and didn't have any idea where I was," she said. "I came to and remember seeing this big man crouched over me. It was Bill Cosby and he was at my feet, kind of licking and kissing them and I think he bit my toe as that's what woke me up. I kind of thank God for that because that's what woke me up and I came to."

Once Cosby realized Goins was awake, she says he jumped up, pulled up his pants and left the room immediately. She believes Cosby had been groping her body and licking her breasts. "I remember waking up and feeling moist all over, like he had been licking all over me. He wasn't on my breasts when I woke, but I could feel, you know, the saliva on them and that he'd been licking on me," she told The Daily Mail.
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Gawker pointed out, the statute of limitations changes depending on the charge.

Although California allows prosecutors ten years to file rape charges, the lesser offense of sexual battery has a six-year statute of limitations, which might have already run. Goins, who has not yet filed a police report, said through her attorney that she plans to meet with LAPD detectives to give a statement this week.
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entremet

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Oddduck said:
24-year old old claims Bill Cosby drugged her & sexually attack her when she was 18 years old at the Playboy Mansion which might be INSIDE statute of limitations. He raped her in 2008.

Which is kind of a big deal since the other women accusing Cosby were not in the statute of limitations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ins-sexual-assault-allegations_n_6333748.html



Gawker pointed out, the statute of limitations changes depending on the charge.
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Apparently, she was arrested for prostitution while not even legal.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/12/chloe-goins-bill-cosby-accuser-arrested-prostitution/

Not to discredit her, but if this goes to trial, Cosby's lawyers would definitely go there.
 
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Agent Unknown

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Wow, this hasn't been posted yet? A former mistress of Sammy Davis Jr. claims Cosby raped her one night in the 1970s. Cosby and Davis were such close friends that Cosby even wore a pin with the initials "SDJ" for an entire season of the Cosby Show after he died.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/natio...x-girlfriend-sammy-davis-jr-article-1.2052890

Katherine McKee alleges Cosby raped her in a Michigan hotel room in the early 1970s when she was on tour with Davis.

She joins more than 20 other women who have accused the comedian known as “America’s Dad” of sexual assault.

McKee, an actress and former Vegas showgirl, said she partied regularly with Davis’ notorious Rat Pack in the late 1960s and had known Cosby for eight years when the alleged assault took place.

“Back then, I was Sammy’s road wife. He had an open marriage, and we were lovers. That’s how it went,” McKee told the Daily News, talking about the alleged sexual assault for the first time.

She said Cosby, 77, ambushed her out of the blue one night after she decided to extend her stay around a Detroit gig so she could visit family. Cosby was in town too and invited her to a party on a boat, she said.

“He was a buddy. He knew I was Sammy’s girl,” she said about accepting the invitation.

McKee, now 65, said Cosby asked her to get some ribs from local hotspot Checker Bar-B-Q and then pick him up at his hotel.

“I remember I walked in the door, and he had a robe and cap on. He took the ribs from my hands and just grabbed me,” McKee said of Cosby.

“He spun me around, pulled my panties down, and just took it. We were still standing at the door when he attacked me,” she told The News. “It was so fast and so shocking and so unbelievable,” she said.

“To me, there was a different personality involved. He was a different man. It felt like a different person performing that act.”

McKee said she quickly fled to the bathroom to compose herself. Cosby got dressed, and the two shared an icy silence in the elevator down to the lobby, where someone was waiting to escort them to the boat party.

“I never said a word. I was too uncomfortable about it,” she recalled. “Bill was so rude and cold toward me the rest of the night. I thought, ‘When this boat docks, I'm out of here.’ I just left.”

McKee said she never uttered a peep to Davis about what allegedly happened.

“I didn’t want to put that in Sammy’s head,” McKee said.

“I was mad at my own self for not saying, ‘What the f---?’ Why didn’t I stop it and get him away from me? But it happened too fast. I was absolutely flabbergasted,” she said.

“And I had the guilt. I questioned myself, ‘Why did I go there? Why did I bring him those ribs? Maybe he thought that’s what I wanted too?’”

The actress, who appeared on “The Bill Cosby Show” in 1971 before the alleged attack, and “Sanford and Son” in 1972 said she just buried the freaky episode.

“I figured, ‘If I don’t think about it, it won’t bother me.’ Of course, with all these women surfacing now, it flushed it out,” said McKee, who later became a casting agent.

“It was a rape, but it seemed so strange to call it that. We think of rape as a stranger who attacks you in a parking lot,” she said.

“I chalked it up to another powerful person in Hollywood who just felt he could take what he wanted from women.”

She also called it “embarrassing” that Cosby’s wife of 51 years, Camille, released a statement suggesting her husband was the “victim.”

“I knew (Camille). We’d been to dinner, all of us, many times,” McKee said. “This is not a stupid woman. She has her head buried in the sand.”
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Also, according to sources in this Page Six article, Cosby along with his lawyers are now paying private investigators "six figure sums" to "dig up dirt" on accusers such as Beverly Johnson and the aforementioned Miss McKee. According to sources Cosby is now deliberately and actively engaging in a "scorched earth policy" of trying as hard as he can to ruin as many of the accusers' reputations as he can in revenge.

http://pagesix.com/2014/12/28/cosbys-private-investigators-dig-up-dirt-to-discredit-rape-accusers/
 
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Agent Unknown

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Also, per the "scorched earth policy above," TMZ obtained a scathing letter CNN wrote to Cosby's lawyer Martin Singer which quite nicely eviscerated him over a botched attempt to discredit Beverly Johnson by trying to bully the network into interviewing one of her abusive ex-boyfriends who is also an ex con who Johnson has multiple restraining orders against due his death threats against her and he was also convicted of attempted extortion against her. Apparently it was written by a CNN legal rep who in very black and white terms calls out Cosby's lawyer for being a dishonest hack and bluntly warns them to stop contacting and harassing employees of the network. Convenient direct link to the letter here, great read:

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1222-bill-cosby-cnn-tmz-document.pdf
 
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Log4Girlz

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Agent Unknown said:
Wow, this hasn't been posted yet? A former mistress of Sammy Davis Jr. claims Cosby raped her one night in the 1970s. Cosby and Davis were such close friends that Cosby even wore a pin with the initials "SDJ" for an entire season of the Cosby Show after he died.



Also, according to sources in this Page Six article, Cosby along with his lawyers are now paying private investigators "six figure sums" to "dig up dirt" on accusers such as Beverly Johnson and the aforementioned Miss McKee. According to sources Cosby is now deliberately and actively engaging in a "scorched earth policy" of trying as hard as he can to ruin as many of the accusers' reputations as he can in revenge.

http://pagesix.com/2014/12/28/cosbys-private-investigators-dig-up-dirt-to-discredit-rape-accusers/
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Yes, there was a thread and a Dookkake joke I won't spoil.
 
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commedieu

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Agent Unknown said:
Also, per the "scorched earth policy above," TMZ obtained a scathing letter CNN wrote to Cosby's lawyer Martin Singer which quite nicely eviscerated him over a botched attempt to discredit Beverly Johnson by trying to bully the network into interviewing one of her abusive ex-boyfriends who is also an ex con who Johnson has multiple restraining orders against due his threats deaths against her and he was also convicted of attempted extortion against her. Apparently it was written by a CNN legal rep who in very black and white terms calls out Cosby's lawyer for being a dishonest hack and bluntly warns them to stop contacting and harassing employees of the network. Convenient direct link to the letter here, great read:

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1222-bill-cosby-cnn-tmz-document.pdf
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Fucking scumbags
 
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Log4Girlz

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Agent Unknown said:
Apologies for bumping, I searched multiple times, link?
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=957373
 
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VARIA

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/01/26/big-time-hollywood-exec-joins-cosby-accuser-list/22360717/

Hollywood exec joins Cosby accuser list

...Ladd, a former film executive-turned-charity activist, and wife of producer Alan Ladd Jr., former president of Twentieth Century Fox and Chairman of MGM/UA , published a compelling essay in the Huffington Post Monday detailing what she says happened to her when she became friends with the married Cosby in New York in the late 1960s.

She was 21 and just getting started in the entertainment industry; he was 32 and an international star.

They made a date to see a movie one night, but she arrived at an apartment (he said it belonged to a friend) with a bad headache. He offered her a capsule to take. She says she kept asking him what it was, but that he would only say, "Don't you trust me?"

"Of course I did. This was Bill Cosby," Ladd wrote. She can barely remember what happened next.

"What I do recall, vividly and clearly, is waking up the next morning nude in the bed of his friend's apartment and seeing Cosby wearing a white terrycloth bathrobe and acting as if there was nothing unusual," she wrote. "It was obvious to me that he had had sex with me. I was horrified, embarrassed and ashamed. There was a mirror above the bed, which shocked me further."

She left quickly and cried all the way home. She never thought to go to the police; "date rape" was a concept that didn't exist then, she wrote.

"Other than my roommate, I did not discuss that night with anyone for 36 years," she wrote. She could never reconcile the image of "compassionate and honorable" Cosby with the man she said she encountered that night.

"This is the first time I have chosen to speak out about that night," she wrote. "It is also the last time I intend to address it publicly. I have no plans to sue, I don't want or need money. I have no plans for a press conference or for doing any interviews."

So why come forward now? "The simple answer is that it's the right thing to do. The truth deserves to be known."
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coleco

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I wonder how many women did he drug / rape? And the worst is the next morning the dude just appears to be so casual about everything in all testimonies.
 
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VARIA

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Log4Girlz said:
It was a different culture then. That's why I hate all the scrutiny on the women and insistence by many that Cosby should not be spoken of as a rapist unless proven in a court of law. Rape was brushed aside by the law and society regularly then. It would have ruined the accusers.
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Yeah, these allegations need to be placed in the context of the time in which they happened. Ladd, the new accuser, saying that "date rape was not a concept that existed then" is just scary.
 
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Sanjuro

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Look. Sure there is like 500+ people now. Problem is how are they considered credible until we know what they are really after?
 
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VARIA

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Sanjuro said:
Look. Sure there is like 500+ people now. Problem is how are they considered credible until we know what they are really after?
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Latest accuser is a former film exec with no need for money. This is what she said:

"This is the first time I have chosen to speak out about that night," she wrote. "It is also the last time I intend to address it publicly. I have no plans to sue, I don't want or need money. I have no plans for a press conference or for doing any interviews."

So why come forward now? "The simple answer is that it's the right thing to do. The truth deserves to be known."
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/p...list/22360717/
 
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Sanjuro

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I thought the 500+ mark would have raised some flags!

My only Cosby defense was the AP interviewer being a little weasel in the early stages during the art gallery interview.
 
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VARIA

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themadcowtipper said:
I think that post was sarcasm...........



at least I hope it was...
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I hope it was too.

This is the first time I have chosen to speak out about that night. It is also the last time I intend to address it publicly. I have no plans to sue, I don't want or need money. I have no plans for a press conference or for doing any interviews.

So why speak out at all and why now? The simple answer is that it's the right thing to do. The truth deserves to be known. As I write this, more than 20 women have come forward, many with stories that are remarkably similar to mine. In response to these brave women, I have read comments like, "What took them so long?" and "What are they after now"? I would ask these people to remember that up until relatively recently, prosecuting rape was a "he said/she said" proposition where the victim was blamed for having worn "suggestive clothing" or questioned as to why she went somewhere with her rapist.

When this happened to me, the idea of drugging someone and raping them was almost fantastical. It was years before "date rape" drugs made the news, but it was a perfect modus operandi for a predator, rendering his victim unconscious or so incapacitated as to be unable to clearly answer police questions about the incident. After having done a lot of work on myself, I realize that we are only as sick as the secrets we keep. Once those secrets are spoken aloud, even if to just one person, they lose their power. I no longer feel the shame that kept me silent. Yes, I could have told my story years ago, and in hindsight I probably should have. It's time now that my voice be added and to finally pull the curtain back from this dark moment in my life.

Having come of age in the late 1960s and early 1970s before marrying in the mid 1980s at 37, I certainly have a history. The difference is that any other relationships were consensual ... my encounter with Bill Cosby was most certainly not.

In the years since that night I have crossed paths with Cosby only once, when my husband, a highly successful Oscar-winning film executive and producer, introduced me to him. I was shaking, wondering if he would recognize me by my unusual first name. His reaction spoke volumes. To Bill Cosby, I was just another stranger.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindra-ladd/bill-cosby-trust-me_b_6526064.html
 
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speculawyer

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"NBC has killed the Bill Cosby pilot amid the mounting accusations of rape..."

For a second there I thought they were trying to crash his airplane.
 
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Agent Unknown

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That Op Ed by Cindra Ladd is THE smoking bullet at this point. A former film exec who also happens to be the wife of Alan Ladd Jr., aka the man you often see in DVD special features and interviews talking about how he green lit everything from Star Wars, Alien, Blade Runner, Chariots of Fire and Braveheart gives a chilling, detailed account of how Bill Cosby raped her. There is absolutely nothing for her to gain except the solidarity she expressed for her fellow victims. She single handedly dismantled and eviscerated every brain dead excuse and shameful hair splitting rationale that the apologists have desperately tried to levy against the other victims. Phylicia Rashad, Whoopi Goldberg and the legions of enablers and scumbags attacking the victims should be forced to read Cindra Ladd's words on a giant screen repeating on a 24 hour loop. Also, it would be nice if this mess would at least prompt someone in power to start a campaign to have America's statute of limitation laws seriously re-examined.
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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Agent Unknown said:
That Op Ed by Cindra Ladd is THE smoking bullet at this point. A former film exec who also happens to be the wife of Alan Ladd Jr., aka the man you often see in DVD special features and interviews talking about how he green lit everything from Star Wars, Alien, Blade Runner, Chariots of Fire and Braveheart gives a chilling, detailed account of how Bill Cosby raped her. There is absolutely nothing for her to gain except the solidarity she expressed for her fellow victims. She single handedly dismantled and eviscerated every brain dead excuse and shameful hair splitting rationale that the apologists have desperately tried to levy against the other victims. Phylicia Rashad, Whoopi Goldberg and the legions of enablers and scumbags attacking the victims should be forced to read Cindra Ladd's words on a giant screen repeating on a 24 hour loop. Also, it would be nice if this mess would at least prompt someone in power to start a campaign to have America's statute of limitation laws seriously re-examined.
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It's so much easier for us to pretend everything is fine and like we expect than to have to face our own biases and the excuses we make for them.
 
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Agent Unknown

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's so much easier for us to pretend everything is fine and like we expect than to have to face our own biases and the excuses we make for them.
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I at least understand folks who perhaps didn't know of Cosby's history of allegations and accusations which existed long before Hannibal lit the powder keg for having some disbelief at first, but once the list started hitting the double digits with the earliest known account stretching back to 1965, it was then officially the right time to just do the human race a favor and simply shut up at that point. You'd think Cosby was the first "sterling" AAA status celeb to fall from grace for these people.

I also still can't get over how furious and disappointed I am with Phylicia Rashad for her nasty "forget these women" insult against the victims and her conspiratorial nonsense of "this about destroying a legacy." Ironic she said that since to me, Rashad and her character on the show always represented women being empowered and standing up for themselves against old male domination steretypes. So with her selfish, moronic words and bizarre desire to waste her time defending Cosby, she actually destroyed her own "legacy" in that sense. Seriously, Rashad and the other cast members' publicists should have been screaming at them all to just stay silent and let Cosby burn if he's too much of a coward to speak for himself. Hopefully that's why we still haven't heard from Lisa Bonet, Tempest Bledsoe (Vanessa) and the actors who played Sonia and Alvin. At least Keisha Knight Pulliam and Malcolm Jamal Warner were a lot more balanced and for the most part tried to be neutral in their statements.
 
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