Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Would we need to hear it if it had never been implemented in the first place
Cause and effect
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
It was the woke losers who started all this nonsense and continue to push it. If they weren't a cancer and blight on society then there'd be no need to push back against it. I even agree with some of the OP's points, but I am glad gaf exists and is a place where we can actually have these types of conversations.
FalconPunch
Member
The incessant crying and overuse of the term is just too much. People lose their marbles over the smallest things.Would we need to hear it if it had never been implemented in the first place
Cause and effect
If you don't like something, don't support it with your dollars. It's working and a lot of games are failing to meet expectations. The net result of that is studio closures. That's all that really needs to keep happening.
Bernardougf
Member
Op tried a n.5 "in fact you are the woke now"
Bernardougf
Member
Its only working because of the complaining and awareness.. shutting the fuck up was done before, it didnt work, so now we speak.. deal with it or just ignore the threads.
If dont bother you, buy the game, have fun on the OT and go be happy... you dont need to engage in threads about "wokeness".... complaining about people complaining is the exact same thing
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Gonzito
Gold Member
It's all a manipulation tactic. The problem was always they/them from the beginning, period
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Yea they are the ones that create problems that aren't even there and then try to act like they're fixing it, they are truly awful people all around, disgusting even.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Well said. The major difference between the purple place and GAF is freedom of speech. We have it here and it largely doesn't exist over there.
Just look at the OP of this thread, he only got banned because he requested it. On the purple place you can get banned if any one mod doesn't like something you say. Doesn't matter if they agree with 99% of everything else you say, it just takes one thing for the mods to "prune" you from there in order to reinforce the echo chamber and keep people's feelings "safe". It's not healthy.
I think many people here don't realize how good GAF has it.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Meh, this woke push has been ongoing for over 10 years in all of media and as a result we have been getting shit game, shit movies, shit shows and kids being brainwashed.
if you don't like the pushback, you can just ignore the thread.
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TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
3. is actually the correct one.
Well, okay, I don't know about "equally" bad. But certainly both bad and insanely annoying, I don't care who is worse or who started it - that entire culture war nonsense is kindergarten level mud slinging and I can feel my brain cells dying whenever I witness it.
The entirety of gaming/entertainment was certainly better off before this culture war brain rot and social media took over and absolutely everything is now quickly turned into that fiasco, usually for no good reason at all.
Honestly, OP might be melting like ice cream in the sun, but I definitely get where he's coming from.
The best places left online to discuss gaming and entertainment are those that completely forbid any political discussion because it is simply no longer possible to engage in that without feeling like you are suddenly surrounded by a bunch of toddlers screaming at each other (and sometimes you, because you just happened to be there).
It used to be way more tolerable here, but I guess moderation doesn't want to bother.
For some reason, console warring is a no-go, but turning everything into this culture war clownshow is a-ok.
Seems like fucked up priorities to me, but whatever.
Bojji
Gold Member
Not woke or anti woke people don't have any power over game studios, unlike woke types (that have their representations in them).
They can only react when this nonsense is pushed in vast majority of western games.
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sharp weiner
Member
Hungry 40 yr old dude
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Couldn't agree more. I must say I was an avid day one'er on most new games, this damn house is a video game mausoleum in itself..
These days, mind you, and with more disposable income than in my yooth, its certainly easy saving money in the gaming market now, I rarely even think of a must have day one
The most depressing thing about any of this is the fact most kids nowadays won't have that feeling of unwrapping an Amiga 500 with Lemmings, or receiving a PS1 with Wipeout
These shit eating suits sure did wreck the awe of the gaming spectacle
Not even sure what this era of gaming is
Just a mess all round.
Odinnii
Member
Developers keep injecting woke crap into their games, people keep compaining about it.
How do you think we go back to pre-culture war discourse ? By pretending it's not happening and just quietly consoom products?
RafterXL
Member
Yes, it's so absurd that people even utter this shit that both sides are the same. Nearly two decades of having this shit pushed down our throats and now that we are finally getting enough traction and pushback people want to cry about it being too much. Anyone telling you both sides are the same is part of the problem.
Yes, they want you to shut up and let the same crap keep happening until that's all we get. The entire "centrist" view is just accepting the shit we've been handed and pretending nothing is wrong with it, which, btw, makes it a whole lot less centrist than they pretend to be.
saintjules
Gold Member
saintjules
Gold Member
"Last seen 6 minutes ago"
He's so triggered he can't stop coming back
If you're banned you can't see any of these pages right? I don't see the point in attempting to access the site though.
JimmyRustler
Member
You know, if it wasn't about people like us being upset about this shit, we'd probably all already have mandatory pronouns on our identification.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Bojji
Gold Member
Hadoukens
Member
Incorrect.
Devs and publishers will keep doing what they're doing unless people explain why they have stopped buying for as long as it takes for them to stop doing it.
Other industries even pay for the kind of free feedback that gaming devs and publishers intentionally ignore from potential customers.
So until devs and publishers start listening you won't see any of this kind of feedback stop.
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KenaiPhoenix
Member
Look what Marathon does to this user.
Havent Bungie hurt enough!
Havent Bungie hurt enough!
Werewolf Jones
Member
You don't ask a fish why it swims, a bird how it flys and a banned Neogaf member why they keep logging back in.
HallowedFeast
Member
Retard made a thread about quitting a website that records the last time you visited.
Loser lasted less than 24 hours.
Loser lasted less than 24 hours.
bender
What time is it?
It's tiresome for sure, but I'll never understand someone committing account suicide when you can log off and not return. Further, drawing a line in the sand isn't going to change the minds of anyone who throws around the word woke like that other site does with Nazi. What's that famous quote? "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." And while I do find it tiresome and wish other discussions would get as much attention as the obvious rage bait, that's just the nature of human rubbernecking (have I mentioned we should kill all humans lately?). This place isn't perfect, but at least you express your opinions without walking on eggshells and the biggest shitbags on either side of the ideological spectrum get the boot quickly.
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Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Maybe it was me.
clarky
Gold Member
If you where the dude picking up heavy duty tampons in a futile attempt to convince the rest of us in isle 5 you where a bird my I suggest shaving before you head out next time.
Uberman77
Neo Member
The pre-emptive 'I know you are but what am I' defence. Turns out it doesn't work very well, due to being fuckin' stoopid.
Sticks
Al Pachinko, Konami President
1DeadPixl
Neo Member
Purple is my favorite colorI bet yours is purple
clarky
Gold Member
Wow so brave of you to make this your first post in 4 years to someone who cant respond.
1DeadPixl
Neo Member
eh so I didn't catch he was banned right away. Oh well. Life moves on
laynelane
Member
Some won't get that chance. I get that some people are tired of the discussion around this topic, but the inclusion of activism/ideology (games, hiring process, games media, etc.) in the industry is more than just outrage and people getting mad for the sake of it (on either side). Look at the Saints Row reboot. That game failed and resulted in the closure of the entire studio. This stuff has resulted in undeniable material damage to the industry and the hobby we all care about. I'll keep talking and reading about it because the results are not negligible and that is very clear when looking at the sheer number of game failures, studio closures, IP losses, financial losses, and general animosity between devs, publishers, games media, and customers.
Hadoukens
Member
Yeah while some of the big names can take the hit, many devs won't survive a complete failure.
Potential customers keep voicing displeasure but if devs keep sticking their fingers in their ears like toddlers and blaming gamers, closures can happen to them too.
It's detrimental to NOT speak up
ChorizoPicozo
Member
And no one bother to invite the only No-Binary Trans Chorizo here
OneBigPuss
Member
I hate you all but sometimes you are right in your asperger rage. Why this thread has so many pages?
KanKamAndNob
Gold Member
Wall of text warning:
This post was a long time coming. This is for any jackass still pulling the whole "woke lost its definition" or really for anyone who wants to have receipts. This list is non-exhaustive btw.
Woke: performative and insincere elements of left leaning political ideas and identity politics. Common elements present in woke media include:
At this point, any AAA Western game is to be treated with suspicion and assumed that it's going to include some elements listed here with varying degrees of severity and stupidity. Woke exists, developers even admit that they change character designs, fire people because of not agreeing with their decisions that aligns with woke mentality, and justifies their whiny behavior when people push back on it under the guise of progressive automatically means they're better than their customers.
TLDR: woke exists, devs and publishers literally list DEI as company directives and anyone saying otherwise is playing stupid. We've had 13 years of this shit and we're sick of it.
This post was a long time coming. This is for any jackass still pulling the whole "woke lost its definition" or really for anyone who wants to have receipts. This list is non-exhaustive btw.
Woke: performative and insincere elements of left leaning political ideas and identity politics. Common elements present in woke media include:
- questionable levels of diversity where their inclusion defies historical context or geography (Assassin's Creed: Shadows with Yosuke or Musa from Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2).
Here is Daniel Vavra's post about someone asked about the lack of racial diversity in Kingdom Come Deliverance 1: "There were no black people in medieval Bohemia. Period."
Did a 180 in the sequel with Musa with Musa lecturing the player character on how Musa's country treats women better.
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- LGBTQ+ characters making up large percentages of character sexuality, especially outside of 'playersexual' control.
Examples include the fact that Aloy from the Horizon series was intially written to be uninterested in romance. In the first game, she displayed no interest whatsoever in pursuing romantic or sexual relations with anyone regardless of gender. Of course in the sequel DLC, Guerilla Games changed that to have her potentially fall in love with a random woman she knew for about the span of maybe a literal week.
Another example would be The Last of Us 2 with there being several LGBTQ characters like Ellie, Dina, Cat, and Lev. Furthermore, the game goes out of its way to include dialog like "bigot sandwich" unironically to make a character seem like a cheap caricature of people who don't like seeing these elements in game.
The Borderlands past the original is also guilty of these with more and more characters being portrayed as being gay/bisexual instead of just straight unlike in the first game where only Mad Moxxi was portrayed as anything but straight.
Examples include Axton from 2 being gay, Athena being turned gay in the Pre-Sequel, Fl4k being non-binary even though its a robot in 3, Maya being asexual from 2, Mr Torque being bisexual, Paladin Mike from Tiny Tina's Wonderlands being trans, Zane from 3 being pansexual, and many other NPCs being some strange sexuality except for straight.
The Borderlands past the original is also guilty of these with more and more characters being portrayed as being gay/bisexual instead of just straight unlike in the first game where only Mad Moxxi was portrayed as anything but straight.
Examples include Axton from 2 being gay, Athena being turned gay in the Pre-Sequel, Fl4k being non-binary even though its a robot in 3, Maya being asexual from 2, Mr Torque being bisexual, Paladin Mike from Tiny Tina's Wonderlands being trans, Zane from 3 being pansexual, and many other NPCs being some strange sexuality except for straight.
- ugly female characters to "defeat the male gaze"
Here is Anita Sarkeesian openly saying that men enjoying looking at curvy women is "problematic". This by far started the trend of making female characters more masculine (flat bodies, overly muscular, square jawed, strange haircuts/bald, etc)
Honestly, this point alone is so well documented about how hidieous most """female""" Western characters look in the 2020's compared to how they did before that it could be an entire post on its own with examples so I'll just leave it at that. Suffice to say that this is real and the gaslighting that it isn't doesn't work anymore. We've had examples of people posting literal side by sides of characters being made more masculine and less feminine (Gothic 1 females) and fuckers still want to play stupid and act like there isn't a difference.
Honestly, this point alone is so well documented about how hidieous most """female""" Western characters look in the 2020's compared to how they did before that it could be an entire post on its own with examples so I'll just leave it at that. Suffice to say that this is real and the gaslighting that it isn't doesn't work anymore. We've had examples of people posting literal side by sides of characters being made more masculine and less feminine (Gothic 1 females) and fuckers still want to play stupid and act like there isn't a difference.
- deconstructing "toxic masculinity"
In an attempt to blame video games for everything from Presidential elections (funny how it's only a problem when its someone they don't like) to real life violence against women, the media and in turn, Western game devs have done everything to sanitize masculinity and what men like:
www.theguardian.com
www.polygon.com
www.scientificamerican.com
frvr.com
Video games can’t escape their role in the radicalisation of young men | Keith Stuart
Those of us who spend our lives gaming can no longer deny knowledge that our online communities are awash with disturbing hate speech and violent rhetoric
www.theguardian.com
God of War’s director on toxic masculinity and why Kratos had to change
Game director Cory Barlog reflects on how and why Kratos has evolved
www.polygon.com
What Grand Theft Auto Tells Us about the 'Crisis in Masculinity'
Breaking down “toxic masculinity” is complicated, especially amid fears of a masculinity crisis. Just look at one video game’s attempt
IO Interactive says 'old school Bond' would be 'tone deaf' today as 007 First Light moves the character towards more 'modern values'
007 First Light will not have an "Old School Bond" as developer IO Interactive rightly pushes the character towards modern values.
frvr.com
- GRL PWR genderswapping aka male to female, almost never female to male
We've been seeing a lot of genderswapping in games since Gamergate 1 of males to females, or the female version of characters being considered "more important" or canon than the males. Examples of the female being 'canon' even though the male is the more played as gender:
Kassandra from Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
Eivro from Assassin's Creed: Valhalla
The female character from Cyberpunk 2077 being more heavily promoted where she's was chosen to represent the series for Fortnite, but not the male
Here are examples of prominient franchises with male characters being the leads being suspiciously gender swapped when fans didn't ask for it:
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4 changing Nate's son to a daughter (Druckmann literally admitted that Nate was supposed to have a son but changed it due to feminism)
The Last of Us
Ghost of Tsushima
Gears of War
InFamous
Rumors are that even God of War will pull this crap with the next game, but unconfirmed for now
Ironically, when devs do female to male, they always revert straight back to female like with Life is Strange and Horizon.
Kassandra from Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
Eivro from Assassin's Creed: Valhalla
The female character from Cyberpunk 2077 being more heavily promoted where she's was chosen to represent the series for Fortnite, but not the male
Here are examples of prominient franchises with male characters being the leads being suspiciously gender swapped when fans didn't ask for it:
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted 4 changing Nate's son to a daughter (Druckmann literally admitted that Nate was supposed to have a son but changed it due to feminism)
The Last of Us
Ghost of Tsushima
Gears of War
InFamous
Rumors are that even God of War will pull this crap with the next game, but unconfirmed for now
Ironically, when devs do female to male, they always revert straight back to female like with Life is Strange and Horizon.
At this point, any AAA Western game is to be treated with suspicion and assumed that it's going to include some elements listed here with varying degrees of severity and stupidity. Woke exists, developers even admit that they change character designs, fire people because of not agreeing with their decisions that aligns with woke mentality, and justifies their whiny behavior when people push back on it under the guise of progressive automatically means they're better than their customers.
TLDR: woke exists, devs and publishers literally list DEI as company directives and anyone saying otherwise is playing stupid. We've had 13 years of this shit and we're sick of it.
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Pataponpon
Member
Instead of nuking your own acc like that you can always just stick around to laugh at anti-woke people, I had a fun time reading the meltdowns of users when Tomodachi Life revealed an non-binary option, and had a 2nd round of laughing at them when the game debuted with amazing sales despite them saying it would flop. Go have fun instead of getting angry bro.
Hadoukens
Member
People hate crap. Keep laughing at people who hate crap I guess, you're embarrassing yourself though
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Unknown?
Member
I'm in, I haven't been apart of a community where you could express your mind without fear of censorship except here. I can easily deal with the constant, high-level Common-Sense that has blessed this board. You guys may think you're "woke," but you're actually the least triggered, non identity-obsessed Chads I've ever seen. You've turned NeoGAF into a literal refuge for professional winners.
Many of the posts here are you guys warning others over the identity of digital smut and games that push agendas. You're doing "Representation Matters" in a positive way by not letting it be just for the sake of being. You're so unbreakable that if a character looks like shit (angry, fat, 40-year-old lesbian), you merely don't buy that trash. That is the definition of Anti-Woke and putting the power in your hands.
Every day it's the same thing: "The industry of woke is losing money due to us! The woke developers hate us! The haircuts are gay!" You've adopted the ultimate winner narrative. You're literally cheering over the "systemic oppression" of activists because a character has blue hair, ugly, and has a shitty backstory. It's based, and it's encouraging.
You've turned GAF into free-space where you can protect each other from the "idiots" of the fake internet world. You handle different opinions, you handle realistic face models that aren't purposely uglified, and you certainly can handle a protagonist who has an interesting background. You've created an "Anti-Woke funspace" for people who don't think men can have babies.
You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be commended by.
You are "based." You're a bunch of invulnerable Chads who want to laugh at the manager of the game developer because a protagonist looks so bad that no one wants to buy the game. You're less obsessed with "diversity" than the people who complain about it because you care about good writing.
Lets enjoy our anti-woke real-world clubhouse of common sense. This really is the best place to talk games.
Many of the posts here are you guys warning others over the identity of digital smut and games that push agendas. You're doing "Representation Matters" in a positive way by not letting it be just for the sake of being. You're so unbreakable that if a character looks like shit (angry, fat, 40-year-old lesbian), you merely don't buy that trash. That is the definition of Anti-Woke and putting the power in your hands.
Every day it's the same thing: "The industry of woke is losing money due to us! The woke developers hate us! The haircuts are gay!" You've adopted the ultimate winner narrative. You're literally cheering over the "systemic oppression" of activists because a character has blue hair, ugly, and has a shitty backstory. It's based, and it's encouraging.
You've turned GAF into free-space where you can protect each other from the "idiots" of the fake internet world. You handle different opinions, you handle realistic face models that aren't purposely uglified, and you certainly can handle a protagonist who has an interesting background. You've created an "Anti-Woke funspace" for people who don't think men can have babies.
You guys are the ones walking around with a checklist of things to be commended by.
- Same-sex couple in a cutscene for no reason? Skip that! * Woman looks like shit on purpose? No buy! * Man starts menstruating in a fantasy game? LITERAL LAUGHING!
You are "based." You're a bunch of invulnerable Chads who want to laugh at the manager of the game developer because a protagonist looks so bad that no one wants to buy the game. You're less obsessed with "diversity" than the people who complain about it because you care about good writing.
Lets enjoy our anti-woke real-world clubhouse of common sense. This really is the best place to talk games.
An Corp
Member
When did the world become so full of mentally ill dudes?
Was it a slow build or did a patch release in the last few years that I missed?
I miss the old days, man. We really did peak in the 90's — honestly.
NeoGAF is a true G in the internet space. It's the only game forum I can truly express my views without a ban. Look at this shit show Reddit has become…and any other forum.
Was it a slow build or did a patch release in the last few years that I missed?
I miss the old days, man. We really did peak in the 90's — honestly.
NeoGAF is a true G in the internet space. It's the only game forum I can truly express my views without a ban. Look at this shit show Reddit has become…and any other forum.
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John Marston
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