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New Deus Ex: Human Revolution info -- new trailer, multiple hands-on impressions
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Stallion Free said:
I've never played a game where the canned animations didn't eventually get old, basically through no fault of their own (they inherently always look the same), but since Deus Ex ideally has a wide variety in combat choice I'm hoping that won't be as much an issue.
Linkzg said:
Not just invisible but also invincible - hopefully you can still be shot at while the animation is going on. Makes for better risk:reward there.
I'm going to follow a healthy sense of scepticism about this game until its out, much in the same vein as the majority of posters here are doing. I'm rooting for Eidos to deliver a GOTY title, but I can't lie its one of the hardest sequels to make.
That music though. Hot damn, give me a full OST now!
That music though. Hot damn, give me a full OST now!
oddworld18
Member
Tain said:
pretty sure the PCGamer preview explicitly mentioned a jump button, it's also used for transferring between two bits of cover.
Question to those who dislike the colour filter:
Do you dislike colour filters on principle, or just its implementation in this case?
I mean, if it's a principle thing then I'm unsure how you sat through decades of films that employ creative use of colour timing and grading - but if it's the implementation, exactly what is off about it here?
Personally I'm really digging the aesthetic. Very evocative of the high-society scenes in Blade Runner, the ones that used the choking Mayan aesthetics in decor and colour tone. It also gives things a rather industrial tone - on certain nights London has a very yellow tint to the sky; I'm seeing this as an exaggeration of that effect to reinforce future= polluted.
Do you dislike colour filters on principle, or just its implementation in this case?
I mean, if it's a principle thing then I'm unsure how you sat through decades of films that employ creative use of colour timing and grading - but if it's the implementation, exactly what is off about it here?
Personally I'm really digging the aesthetic. Very evocative of the high-society scenes in Blade Runner, the ones that used the choking Mayan aesthetics in decor and colour tone. It also gives things a rather industrial tone - on certain nights London has a very yellow tint to the sky; I'm seeing this as an exaggeration of that effect to reinforce future= polluted.
jaundicejuice
Member
It looks like this is further away from Invisible War and Project Snowblind (aka Deus Ex: Clan Wars at one point) and closer to the original Deus Ex, but I still kind of worry about how action-oriented and shooter-y everything looks.
Overall this looks really good and they''ve been talking a good game, I just hope they deliver.
Overall this looks really good and they''ve been talking a good game, I just hope they deliver.
Thunderbear
Mawio Gawaxy iz da Wheeson hee pways games
Game looks fantastic, I really feel this is a game that will shine the best on the PC. All the console footage I've seen seem to have some frame-rate and aliasing issues (more than a lot of AAA titles). Maybe they're sorted out by release.
But the trailer looks great and I feel it's possible that this game might even have a good story. I was privileged to read a part of the script a couple of years ago and unless they've changed it, there's still bits to the core storyline they haven't revealed that I thought was very interesting. The right ideas are there, I really hope they executed it well because if they did I think this game will have one of the better stories in a game ever. But we'll see.
But the trailer looks great and I feel it's possible that this game might even have a good story. I was privileged to read a part of the script a couple of years ago and unless they've changed it, there's still bits to the core storyline they haven't revealed that I thought was very interesting. The right ideas are there, I really hope they executed it well because if they did I think this game will have one of the better stories in a game ever. But we'll see.
IoCaster
Member
DennisK4 said:
Personally, I can't muster up much interest at all for this game. I'll wait and see how the PC version measures up before I even begin to get hyped.
I hate how consolitis has infected so many PC games this gen. *puke*
The bolded sentence is just a general observation about an existing trend that has made me wary of jumping on any hype train until I see evidence that the PC version of any game hasn't made too many compromises. No hidden message or accusation directed at this particular game is intended or implied.
TemplaerDude
Member
IoCaster said:
If you're a Deus Ex fan, "consolification" of this game should be the last thing on your list of things to be concerned about.
You should also just be fucking happy that they're making a Deus Ex game.
Suairyu said:
They have their uses, but these yellow filters are really jarring in games that go for a "realistic" look. This isn't one of the worst examples, it's more fitting than a lot of other games that have used it this generation, but I think it would look much nicer if they heavily toned it down. It's nothing mods can't fix, and it wouldn't ruin the game either way, but I think the game could use some color.
TemplaerDude said:
That was one of the chief problems in IW and people don't want to get burned again. They don't look like they'll be making the same mistakes in this game, but it's no surprise that it's a concern.
TemplaerDude said:
Elaborate please. What should one's biggest concern be?
Why? Different people are making a clearly different game under a completely different climate. Is the franchise name supposed to automatically overcome all of that?
I'm pumped for the game and all, but damn.
jaundicejuice
Member
DennisK4 said:
I'm optimistic, just hesitant. Having just replayed Deus Ex GotY and Invisible War, the failure of compromise is somewhat fresh in my mind.
Castor Krieg
Banned
DennisK4 said:
What is the point? Isn't that misleading advertising?
Some info on the impressions:
The real demo lasted for 2.5/3 hours. this is rougly the first 30/45 minutes. The rest is embargoed untill feb 24th. I personally decided that it was better to only write one preview so im currious how many other sites will publish later on.
The trailer is mostly in-game and almost all is from the tutorial discussed in the article or else from the mission afterwards, which will be discussed in later previews.
Game's already full of DX references and its really hard..
The real demo lasted for 2.5/3 hours. this is rougly the first 30/45 minutes. The rest is embargoed untill feb 24th. I personally decided that it was better to only write one preview so im currious how many other sites will publish later on.
The trailer is mostly in-game and almost all is from the tutorial discussed in the article or else from the mission afterwards, which will be discussed in later previews.
Game's already full of DX references and its really hard..
Yes, but I hope that this is handled in a similar manner on the consoles. It's obviously cool on PC, but I hope that they support the bluetooth input devices and the official Sony/MS small QWERTY pads on the consoles.Pikelet said:
Even so, I will probably double-dip for PS3 and PC.
indigo-cyclops
Member
Jensen voice = really awesome. Perfect fit if you ask me. Now they just need to release it soon enough.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
Wait, so what's "consolified" about this game? As far as I can tell it's one of the few PC sequels that's adding new stuff (like good action) while keeping and expanding on most of the old stuff.
Chairman Yang said:
Almost nothing actually.. I mean, the interface is more streamlined for console users, but overall its just as complex as the first game in terms of gameplayoptions. Combat is even better if you ask me, since AI is better and its based on skill rather than stats. Im pretty confident it will be a great game.
rollingstart
Banned
Chairman Yang said:
yeah, there are some things that come with time, but there is a a real grid inventory. A real grid inventory. In 2011. From a developer not located on the eastern block. In a game coming on the three major platform. That alone washes away a lot of doubts I had about its raison d'être. It looks like it is going to be a sequel to Deus Ex; not a game trying to cash in whatever appeal that brand has.
And when it comes out and, hopefully, is everything it looks to be, it's great for two reasons: I have a game I've been wanting to play for years, and then I could start getting excited for Thief 4...err, Thi4f.
I agree. Even the first Deus Ex had better lip syncing...zoukka said:
Gotta love those over-exaggerated animations.
I hope they fix that before release, but I doubt there's enough time. Everything else looks and sounds great, but for a cinematic experience to feel whole, they need to take care of details like that.
Just saw this posted via facebook:
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/d...his/a-201102041013131063/g-200711271042744040
edit: bonus link! http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/16/interview-the-art-of-deus-ex-human-revolution/
lolololol
I've been avoiding DxR coverage in general, so I guess the similarity is old, but I still think its pretty funny.
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/d...his/a-201102041013131063/g-200711271042744040
edit: bonus link! http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/06/16/interview-the-art-of-deus-ex-human-revolution/
lolololol
I've been avoiding DxR coverage in general, so I guess the similarity is old, but I still think its pretty funny.
Coyotegrey
Member
Jumping is absolutely included. Got a relevant story for ya...when I was first starting out as the community manager at Eidos Montreal, I had to demo two different builds of the game for people. The team was still trying to pin down a control scheme at that point, so the jump button, among a few others, were placed differently in the builds. The first few times I demoed, I was sweating bullets over the possibility of messing up and pressing the grenade button instead of the jump button.
Also, Linkzg, I adore your avatar, but...Thief 4? Shhhhh! We must not talk about that!
Let Deus Ex have time to shine!
Also, Linkzg, I adore your avatar, but...Thief 4? Shhhhh! We must not talk about that!
Let Deus Ex have time to shine!Confidence Man
Member
Chairman Yang said:
Removing the skill system, primarily. There are other things like regenerating health, third-person cuts, and flashy one button takedowns, but like Invisible War removing skills essentially removes any stat-based customization and leaves you with a more "streamlined" aug upgrade system.
Castor Krieg
Banned
Confidence Man said:
As long as they don't make some augmentations useless it will be fine.
IoCaster
Member
dark10x said:
Some of the knee-jerk reactions to my post are...interesting. I'm not sure if it's just a reflexive defense of consoles in general or simple animosity to the reasonable concerns of a PC gamer. Whichever it is, there's no need for anyone to have taken offense. Let me break this down:
IoCaster said:
Specifically, this game doesn't spark any sort of tingle for me. It's an intuitive type of thing and it usually works.
IoCaster said:
I thought this was a fairly clear statement.
IoCaster said:
This is a general observation and not specifically aimed at this game, yet. In the PC Gamer preview it was noted that...
PC Gamer said:
This seems to indicate that the console is the focus of development and the PC version lags behind. I understand that this is the norm these days, but it's still a discouraging bit of news to me. Until I find a good, solid preview or demo of the PC version I'll hold off on getting hyped. Is that clear enough?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
PC GAMER said:
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
God, wouldn't it just be absolutely awful if this game was both an awesome shooter and an awesome rpg?
charlequin
Banned
Confidence Man said:
The issue I have with your approach here is that you're basically absolutist on complexity. Yes, "consolization" can (and has in the past) resulted in games where productive complexity was eliminated in a misguided attempt to make things "easier" or "simpler." However, developers acting in good faith can legitimately want to simplify or streamline elements in order to focus complexity and depth in the most productive areas -- really, good designers will constantly be attempting to streamline and simplify UI and decisions everywhere they can so that they can concentrate complexity in the most worthwhile places.
I'm not sure how the augmentation system we've seen for this game is really so different from the skill system as to represent a significant loss of complexity.
Chairman Yang
if he talks about books, you better damn well listen
The skill system in Deus Ex was an absolute joke, and the aug system in Deus Ex 3 looks like it'll capture all of the skill system's functionality in a much more efficient way. The augs are also much richer and more complex than Deus Ex 1's, based on the info released so far. In other words, Deus Ex 3 seems genuinely streamlined, and not dumbed-down.Confidence Man said:
What's wrong with third-person cuts and flashy takedowns?
I won't defend regenerating health--it's a disease that's infected gaming--but I understand the developer's rationale for it in this particular game. Balance it against a much deeper aug system, radically improved combat and stealth, and better graphics and voice acting, and I think we're coming out pretty well, don't you?
charlequin
Banned
IoCaster said:
Inasmuch as people are reacting (perhaps overly strongly) to your statements, it's because you're making broad statements about this trend towards consolization and then using kind of superficial things (like them showing the console versions) to support the idea that this game follows the trend when there are quite a few other elements (the inventory, the manually-entered keycodes, the wealth of readable documents everywhere, etc.) that suggest otherwise.
I don't think it's wrong to take a wait-and-see attitude or anything, but there's a lot of evidence that this game in particular is not being developed with a straight-up "let's smooth it out for consoles" approach.
Chairman Yang said:
There's that too. DX's skill system is like six linear paths of four upgrades. It's not particularly complex at all. A tree-based augment system (which Human Revolution has) can easily encompass all the complexity of the DX skills without losing anything.
rollingstart
Banned
IoCaster said:
They have shown off the PC version before with DX11 features and eyefinity (multi-monitor) support.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLd9E304QZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYufXPIKrx0
charlequin
Banned
IoCaster said:
But it comes off as more "disingenuous" to cherry-pick your evidence and ignore the bits that actively suggest this game isn't being ignorantly streamlined for a console audience, especially when you lead off with something aggressive like "*puke*" as your commentary. That's why you got jumped on. Something like "I dunno, I'm not really feeling this yet. Even with the things they're saying I'm skeptical and I want to hold off until we see how the PC version turns out" would probably have been received much better.