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NEW No Man's Sky Details (GAMEPLAY, ATLAS, CRAFTING,)
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...that's a brilliant way of putting it. You may be a genius.
The thing is that The Last Guardian looks to be in a genre that we are all a lot more familiar with.
When a developer shows a game and claims that you can do just about anything and go just about anywhere, we as gamers tend to get very excited.
However there is quite a bit of precedent when it comes to these promises (Molyneux) and skepticism soon comes into play.
I think there is a very valid point in asking for more information when the developer has shown the game 4 times, and still hasn't shown us more than just the scope of the game.
If there would be nothing besides the scope of the game, that's fine. It would still be a very impressive game and some people will love it for that.
Impressive just wouldn't be enough to justify a purchase for me and many others though. If Sean Murray wants this game to sell, he should be aware of that fact since most people at this point just don't get it.
My problem with NMS so far is not with what we have seen, but with how it has been given such a large stage presence. If what you say is true, and I'm sure it is, then why has Sony given these guys so much attention? Why have they been given the stage so many times? If this is another minecraft, or another proteus (to be fair, I think there's already much more going on in NMS than proteus) then why is Sony making this such a big deal over any other indie?
Well a true explorer wouldn't stop at the moon! If I manage to land on the moon after an awe-inspiring journey, I will ask, "What's beyond the moon?" Personally, it's quite an intimidating but exhilarating question.From what we hear, NMS does have interesting features beyond shoot stuff for resources:
- Bounty system as risk-reward system (You need to hunt exotic wildlife to acquire resource, but this wildlife may be protected by its planet's police)
- Wanted system (Continuous defiance towards the planet's police may invite greater obstacles in the form of battlecruisers)
- Barter system at space stations (which is ripe for supply and demand mechanic)
- Space Skirmishes (presumably there are risk-reward for participation)
- Dissemination of information to other players
- Crafting of course
Maybe there will be more features down the road. As for the permutation that facilitates the uniqueness of each planet, it really comes down to the ruleset of the procedural generation. We do not know its intricacy, so for now I would give it the benefit of the doubt.
SlickShoes
Member
I can't believe there are folk bashing this game and suggesting that Elite has more defined content.
This game is designed like Elite in that you forge your own path, the routes you can take in game seem similar just in NMS they haven't put class names on them.
In Elite all you do is grind combat, trade goods with NPC's or explore. You can't land on planets and there is literally nothing at the centre of the galaxy.
Both NMS and Elite are technically amazing to me in that the simulate an entire galaxy, in Elite only about 1% of it has been discovered by players and when you leave the starter systems the chance of you seeing another player is so slim it's unreal.
NMS to me seems like Elite but with planet landings and a point to the actual combat/resource gathering.
If you want to play co op with friends and have a linear goal to achieve this is not the game for you.
Sean Murray wants you to work out what to do, enter the game and fly off and let your own mind decide what to do next. If he comes out and says that X resource does X job then on day 1 hundreds of people will go off and do that grind that task into oblivion and say the game is boring because that's all you do.
This game is designed like Elite in that you forge your own path, the routes you can take in game seem similar just in NMS they haven't put class names on them.
In Elite all you do is grind combat, trade goods with NPC's or explore. You can't land on planets and there is literally nothing at the centre of the galaxy.
Both NMS and Elite are technically amazing to me in that the simulate an entire galaxy, in Elite only about 1% of it has been discovered by players and when you leave the starter systems the chance of you seeing another player is so slim it's unreal.
NMS to me seems like Elite but with planet landings and a point to the actual combat/resource gathering.
If you want to play co op with friends and have a linear goal to achieve this is not the game for you.
Sean Murray wants you to work out what to do, enter the game and fly off and let your own mind decide what to do next. If he comes out and says that X resource does X job then on day 1 hundreds of people will go off and do that grind that task into oblivion and say the game is boring because that's all you do.
I haven't been able to find a video showing trading or combat yet. I'd appreciate if you could point me to one.
We've seen him shoot sentinels, and destroy things. This year's live demo had that.
It's not organized combat in a PvP sense if that's what you're looking for.
legacyzero
Banned
No Man's Sky just got added to Steam!
Still no date
Still no date
For the "BUT WHAT DO YOU DO?!" crowd. Watch this video:
http://www.twitch.tv/gametrailers/v/6238913
(Skip to 14:16:00)
OH MY GOD WHY AREN"T WE SEEING THIS SHIT?!
Thanks for sharing this I thought it was a great and entertaining discussion
Veritigo_X
Member
Are you really so skeptical that you don't believe a game in 2015 can do what a game in 1984 did?
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
It's a completely valid point, though. If we're told all of these features exist, give us a piece of it and allow us to see that there's more than just flying around to different generated planets.
It's foolish in this day and age to completely trust words unequivocally, regardless of how "cool" the developer is.
Messofanego
Banned
For the "BUT WHAT DO YOU DO?!" crowd. Watch this video:
http://www.twitch.tv/gametrailers/v/6238913
(Skip to 14:16:00)
OH MY GOD WHY AREN"T WE SEEING THIS SHIT?!
Uploaded this to Youtube, in case anyone can't view Twitch. Very entertaining discussion!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7AqWngkfdI
No Man's Sky just got added to Steam!
Still no date
Added to the first spot of my wishlist
Veritigo_X
Member
I'd like to see more too, but I feel like they're showing off the part of the game most people would be skeptical about. The average gamer probably hears that you can fly from one planet to another and is skeptical since games don't do that. We have a million games with shooting, but not so many with an explorable world like NMS.
legacyzero
Banned
Really hoping th PC version has some decent settings options.
Savinowned
Member
I love Gametrailers.
That would be cool, like announcements of someone discovering a new planet etc.
No Man's Sky just got added to Steam!
Still no date
Now to decide If I get this for PC or PS4...
December 2014 trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmwG6Sj1Yfg
Not the nuts-and-bolts demonstration that many want (and will likely never get). But they're in there!
Agree and Disagree, I think it IS hard to put compelling gameplay into a fully procedural world. Base Minecraft isnt that great on its own and it gets old rather quickly playing survival. Creative changes the whole game where its not about discovery anymore, its about creating a world (Some love and some dont). But where minecraft got really popular is server worlds that use creative mode to create specific gamemaps. And what is played on these? More traditional games such as FPS vs, Platforming, Racing, etc.. These popular server games could NOT be played in a random procedural world.
Gut tells me this will change to an Early Access game within the year, where many of these gameplay elements they LIST, will still be on the "coming soon" table. Hope I am wrong.
Darth Smurf X
Member
Thank you for this. That was very entertaining and somewhat informative.
Gametrailers has had some really memorable moments this E3. I don't know why I even go to IGN anymore. The personalities on that site are infectious.
FreedomFrisbee
Member
Somehow I had never seen this before. I get the feeling a lot of people missed this.
sammyCYBORG
Member
I think the aimless nature of this game is going to be its downfall for me. Unless there are so many amazing things that keep driving me forward (and really how many unique aliens/creatures/planets can they generate?) then I'm not sure how long I'll want to just fly around going from one rock to the next...
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
Banned
But that's what we've been shown for two years. Planets are procedurally generated, there is no loading as you fly from planet to planet. What my concern is, is what else can I do once I land on a planet?
What makes this procedurally generated world different from others of its ilk? Yes, the immense amount of worlds is great, but it's nothing unless there's something that we the player can actively do.
There's a place for healthy skepticism here; for any unreleased game, obviously. The trap that too many of those still dubious about NMS fall into though is presenting the game as a complete enigma, already pre-judging it as some kind of bait-and-switch. They're operating mostly on confirmation bias and not really conveying the notion that they're interested in understanding what the game is so much as they're interested in reinforcing what they already think it isn't.
There are certainly others who are skeptical in a more constructive fashion. Rather than pre-suppose what the game is, they're asking legitimate questions, and generally people are engaging them in good faith and trying to provide answers to the best of our knowledge.
Unfortunately the former have done a much better job of making a meme of themselves in these threads.
Agh! No pre-order button! I keep clicking the spot wher eit should be, and nothing!!!
bananafactory
Banned
I'd seen this before but not at 60fps. Did they artificially speed it up or is the game running at that framerate? All the footage I'd seen previously was 30 - I assumed that's what we were getting
Probably demoing the game on PC.
DrROBschiz
Member
Im excited for NMS
I am just beyond done with endless demos and stage shows
Its beyond time to just finish and release it. They should have only shown it once and saved the next showing for a release announcement
THEN you could have devoted a ton of time detailing the game
Instead we get a media blitz every year of the same damn shit
I am just beyond done with endless demos and stage shows
Its beyond time to just finish and release it. They should have only shown it once and saved the next showing for a release announcement
THEN you could have devoted a ton of time detailing the game
Instead we get a media blitz every year of the same damn shit
legacyzero
Banned
Hello Games have always loved 60 FPS. We have had a HUGE amount of 60 fps content coming to Youtube since it launched, especially on Firefox.
Gamersyde has uncompressed 60 FPS vids for No Man's sky that you can download as well
Veritigo_X
Member
People who have been following this game for two years are a minority. They have to get across the main draw of the game to people hearing about it for the first time. We're on the same page for wanting more in depth gameplay videos, it's just you're way more skeptical about the things they've promised for some reason. The stuff they're talking about isn't even really unbelievable to imagine in a game.
It's sort of unfortunate that this game has had such a long pre-release. Most games of this type are just released with very little pre-release info and put out there for people to discover what it is for themselves.
Totally agree. "How do I get a bigger gun?"
It's a hallmark of the younger gamer. They've grown up with progression systems and AAA spectacle so much that they cannot imagine playing a game just for the experience and joy of discovery.
I don't find him to be suave or arrogant. He seems aloof and frazzled all the time. I find that kinda endearing though. The more I see of the game, the more I want it.
DrROBschiz
Member
Hallmark of the younger gamer?
I thought since the Minecraft generation the assumption is the opposite
Minecraft is fucking huge. If you think you have the next minecraft as a timed console exclusive, wouldn't you promote that heavily?
SinSilla
Member
Its like a voiceover for this thread. Hilarious.
He's a real-life Richard Hendricks (Silicon Valley) except he can still function in life.
I think this quote actually answers your question. A lot of gamers think there's nothing to do in Minecraft that looks fun(completely the opposite imo), yet Minecraft sells gangbusters.
This is great!
You've seen the videos, right? NMS is very visually striking, and the scope of the world makes great hype points. It's a great game to demo! It even gets the core audience excited despite not having any murder in it, which I'm sure is important internally.
grounded_dreams
Member
Stage demo and interview from Gamespot Live:
http://www.gamespot.com/videos/no-man-s-sky-e3-2015-stage-demo/2300-6425633/
That's totally a fair point!! I truly hope it IS similar in scope!! Then all of the attention will be justified. My hype for this game remains fairly high and my expectations seem to be in check.
BUT if it's not that immense, and Sony is making a huge deal out of a game made by 4/5 people, then I can see people's frustrations and I can even see the annoyance that Sean Murray has when having to continually explain what the game is. I don't even think they ASKED for as much attention as they're getting. If you listen to him talk about the game, you can tell how much passion he has for the game and what it is: Space exploration. This is where I wouldn't have a problem with NMS, but with Sony over-promoting it.
People on GAF and the general gaming community continue to purchase games like Assassins Creed, Shadow of Mordor, Dragon Age which are simply games with gigantic checklists. It's what so many games come down to at this point. Even if it's disguised behind more interesting quests and actions. For people to see such an intriguing looking game like NMS and for it not to have a clear list of things to do is upsetting to many. But for others like myself, it's so refreshing. I have a job in real life, I don't need every game to continue to tell me what I need to do in order to feel accomplished. Sometimes I just want to get lost in a world (universe) and do whatever I feel like. Directionless and disconnected from any form of guidance, but I can chart my own path and explore for hours upon hours.
I've had similar experiences with ONLY Minecraft. That's the only game that has ever just let me go and that is made up of merely cubes. If NMS is able to scratch a similar itch, then I'm all in.